Guild Wars 2

I think this is a reasonable request, and I’m not trying to troll… genuinely curious how the Devs for this class play and test.

Show us your videos of PvP, WvW, and PvE. Tell us why you designed the traits the way you did, explain how you work on balancing.

I encourage others to post questions below on specific balance or gameplay issues.

I’ll get the ball rolling with a few of my own.

It’s pretty clear no one really likes Hard to Catch – http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Hard_to_Catch – why was it designed this way?

Instinctual Response – http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Instinctual_Response – It’s a pretty common complaint that this often gets one killed due to the revealead debuff, it really ‘feels’ like it shouldn’t cause this debuff but does, so what’s going on with this one?

Please be nice folks, don’t rant, try to ask specific questions… hopefully we can get some attention.

Lastly, thank you Anet, I do enjoy the game, and will continue to play… just looking for some answers.

Plz show us also how venomshare/skelk venom are used to really help a zerg and how you can be productive for the 35 seconds after you pop venoms.

please show us your pro gunslinger skills pew pew

Oh wait we already saw that. My bad.

Excalibur.9748:

please show us your pro gunslinger skills pew pew

Oh wait we already saw that. My bad.

actually we didn’t since they spent entire time being dead….

i would love to watch them do tpvp on a thief heh

I’d like to second this. It doesn’t seem to me like there’s a solid direction for the class, especially in terms of sPvP, and I’m genuinely curios as to how they see the class and what it should be.

Actually, Instinctual Response is fine, it’s Last Refuge that people complain about because it’s a 5 point minor trait that you don’t have the option to take, it’s mandatory if you put any points into Shadow Arts.

This is a total troll thread. ANET doesn’t play the thief.

Man before speake try venom share in your life of bad player then shut up!

Learn to play condition build, venom are notte pop at same time bit if you pop you must give pressure with bleed sneak attack after Cloack and dagger and putting torment with shadow strike… Man learn to play pls!

oh l2p? so what do you do with your maybe 13k health pool after you pop your venoms and its on cool down after a guard or warrior or maybe mez and engi either went invincible or blocked your venoms .. do you rely on your dodges? waitttttt… no we had vigor reduction not that we can get vigor easy anyway…. nah wait your stealth… wait wait nah nah might get nerfed you know, people cant see us omg OP…

13 k?? Man i have 19 k what idiot use shaman amulet with venom share pistol dagger build! Venom share and all pistol dagger build use carrion amulet noob ! Seriusly you are ridicolous in this forum! With 19 k pool you have enugh Dodge and if you are good you can coalck and dagger evry 4 sec, don’t speake to a condition thief player pistol dagger since beta speaking like now because you have dimostrate you have never play this set! Go to see some video of pistol dagger thief like Slic then shut up!

simonerd.8672:

13 k?? Man i have 19 k what idiot use shaman amulet with venom share pistol dagger build! Venom share and all pistol dagger build use carrion amulet noob ! Seriusly you are ridicolous in this forum! With 19 k pool you have enugh Dodge and if you are good you can coalck and dagger evry 4 sec, don’t speake to a condition thief player pistol dagger since beta speaking like now because you have dimostrate you have never play this set! Go to see some video of pistol dagger thief like Slic then shut up!

Obvious troll post. Shaman amulet doesn’t exist anymore. It’s now a Settler amulet and has always contained exactly 0 vitality.

Quite saddened that I have to agree with OP here.

Simonerd I play P/D too, I too consider it to be the most viable thief build there currently is. THAT DOESN’T MEAN EVERYONE HAS TO BE PUSHED INTO THAT DIRECTION.

When you nerf something, you compensate buff something else, this however NEVER happens with thieves. The ini regen buff is a joke, it’s a rebalance, not a buff.. I used to regain some ini by popping one of my stealth skills while being in stealth, this no longer works.. so I don’t consider the ini regen buff a buff at all.

I just don’t know what direction Devs are going with thieves, we literally don’t stand out anywhere and the only purpose I see is scouting, killing sentry’s and occasionally solo camps (which for some players is already a tough task to do :P)

I consider myself to be one of the better WvW thieves and I’m having a hard time to find out where exactly we excell at. Yeah occasionally I win 1v5 against a few random pugs who barely even touch their forward key, who then go onto the forums and complain about how OP thieves are. Even that is becoming nearly impossible with all the nerfs we endure every patch but never get any compensation for it.

Thief is however the hardest class to balance, not going to deny this.. however it’s currently by far the weakest class in GW2 tbh.

I only love thief for stealthing, allows me to eliminate players one by one, aka.. win 1vX fights, occasionally. If you lose 5v1 against a thief, that tells more about yourself than the thief.

None says here that all must play PD thief, but i cant hear players that says venom share is a bad build only because they are unskilled or they have never play it or othere PD condition builds this is unaccettable!

Incurafy.6329:

Actually, Instinctual Response is fine, it’s Last Refuge that people complain about because it’s a 5 point minor trait that you don’t have the option to take, it’s mandatory if you put any points into Shadow Arts.

Yeah… that’s what I meant

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Last_Refuge

Weird. I was just thinking the same thing as the OP. The patch notes make mention of other builds and builds they would like to see get more play, but I’ve never seen anyone actually say what those other builds are.

So, what are they? What are the builds that the devs feel are viable, synergistic builds?

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Malik.6781:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLEfsBTh6_A

Don’t appreciate.

he says…… " one thing i dont have is infiltrators signet which is 25% speed boost to help move around faster on the map"

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Travlane.5948:

Malik.6781:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLEfsBTh6_A

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he says…… " one thing i dont have is infiltrators signet which is 25% speed boost to help move around faster on the map"

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Yep, that’s the latest dev video about thief profession. Im pretty sure, my post will be deleted, but guys I highly suggest to look forward to another game… this one will die soon. Personally I found tera more fun to play, as a berserker, reminds me good old thief, back in, maybe April.
And yeah, there’s more guild wars than in Guild wars 2.

Malik.6781:

Travlane.5948:

Malik.6781:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLEfsBTh6_A

Don’t appreciate.

he says…… " one thing i dont have is infiltrators signet which is 25% speed boost to help move around faster on the map"

LOL’d

Yep, that’s the latest dev video about thief profession. Im pretty sure, my post will be deleted, but guys I highly suggest to look forward to another game… this one will die soon. Personally I found tera more fun to play, as a berserker, reminds me good old thief, back in, maybe April.
And yeah, there’s more guild wars than in Guild wars 2.

yeap had soooo much potential. but they want more players rather than loyal players hence dumbing the game down so a 5 year old can play. i understand the economics but its just not fun.

Viking Jorun.5413:

simonerd.8672:

13 k?? Man i have 19 k what idiot use shaman amulet with venom share pistol dagger build! Venom share and all pistol dagger build use carrion amulet noob ! Seriusly you are ridicolous in this forum! With 19 k pool you have enugh Dodge and if you are good you can coalck and dagger evry 4 sec, don’t speake to a condition thief player pistol dagger since beta speaking like now because you have dimostrate you have never play this set! Go to see some video of pistol dagger thief like Slic then shut up!

Obvious troll post. Shaman amulet doesn’t exist anymore. It’s now a Settler amulet and has always contained exactly 0 vitality.

the new name is settler’s but there was a time that the name was shaman… it give you thoughness healing power and condition damage …. im not a troll ….. if you need i give you my name in game so you see my main is a thief! Pathetich really pathetich …

simonerd.8672:

Viking Jorun.5413:

simonerd.8672:

13 k?? Man i have 19 k what idiot use shaman amulet with venom share pistol dagger build! Venom share and all pistol dagger build use carrion amulet noob ! Seriusly you are ridicolous in this forum! With 19 k pool you have enugh Dodge and if you are good you can coalck and dagger evry 4 sec, don’t speake to a condition thief player pistol dagger since beta speaking like now because you have dimostrate you have never play this set! Go to see some video of pistol dagger thief like Slic then shut up!

Obvious troll post. Shaman amulet doesn’t exist anymore. It’s now a Settler amulet and has always contained exactly 0 vitality.

the new name is settler’s but there was a time that the name was shaman… it give you thoughness healing power and condition damage …. im not a troll ….. if you need i give you my name in game so you see my main is a thief! Pathetich really pathetich …

My point was you absolutely in no way ever can get 19k health with a settler’s amulet.

Viking Jorun.5413:

simonerd.8672:

Viking Jorun.5413:

simonerd.8672:

13 k?? Man i have 19 k what idiot use shaman amulet with venom share pistol dagger build! Venom share and all pistol dagger build use carrion amulet noob ! Seriusly you are ridicolous in this forum! With 19 k pool you have enugh Dodge and if you are good you can coalck and dagger evry 4 sec, don’t speake to a condition thief player pistol dagger since beta speaking like now because you have dimostrate you have never play this set! Go to see some video of pistol dagger thief like Slic then shut up!

Obvious troll post. Shaman amulet doesn’t exist anymore. It’s now a Settler amulet and has always contained exactly 0 vitality.

the new name is settler’s but there was a time that the name was shaman… it give you thoughness healing power and condition damage …. im not a troll ….. if you need i give you my name in game so you see my main is a thief! Pathetich really pathetich …

My point was you absolutely in no way ever can get 19k health with a settler’s amulet.

Man the point is that a real pistol dagger don’t use stettler’s amulet, pistol dagger venom share use carrion! stop there ! only an idiot take stettler’s in pistol dagger, and with carrion amulet using build 20 0 30 20 0 you have 19 k life usin trait 5 mastre trap in acro you can recharge fast ambush trap and you can use thiefs guild for take a real advantages in the most of team fights situations!

simonerd.8672:

Viking Jorun.5413:

simonerd.8672:

Viking Jorun.5413:

simonerd.8672:

13 k?? Man i have 19 k what idiot use shaman amulet with venom share pistol dagger build! Venom share and all pistol dagger build use carrion amulet noob ! Seriusly you are ridicolous in this forum! With 19 k pool you have enugh Dodge and if you are good you can coalck and dagger evry 4 sec, don’t speake to a condition thief player pistol dagger since beta speaking like now because you have dimostrate you have never play this set! Go to see some video of pistol dagger thief like Slic then shut up!

Obvious troll post. Shaman amulet doesn’t exist anymore. It’s now a Settler amulet and has always contained exactly 0 vitality.

the new name is settler’s but there was a time that the name was shaman… it give you thoughness healing power and condition damage …. im not a troll ….. if you need i give you my name in game so you see my main is a thief! Pathetich really pathetich …

My point was you absolutely in no way ever can get 19k health with a settler’s amulet.

Man the point is that a real pistol dagger don’t use stettler’s amulet, pistol dagger venom share use carrion! stop there ! only an idiot take stettler’s in pistol dagger, and with carrion amulet using build 20 0 30 20 0 you have 19 k life usin trait 5 mastre trap in acro you can recharge fast ambush trap and you can use thiefs guild for take a real advantages in the most of team fights situations!

Carrion is actually a terrible choice in sPvP. Everyone bunkers out, and there’s no room for glassy conditions. You’re already 30 in shadow arts – use Shadow’s Rejuvination and a settler’s amulet, and then Runes of the Undead and see just how wrong I am.

Can we get back to the questions please?

Fact is no one on the Dev team is playing their own game “hardcore” as some of their customers are. GW2, already heavily aimed at casuals, keeps dumbing down the game to keep their casuals satisfied, with auto-popping boons, promoting zerg play (I do play in a hardcore WvW guild, we do run as a group and what not).

Let’s get real here, this game has nowhere near the competitive gameplay Guild Wars 1 had, the only mmorpg I’ve played for !!6!! years, buying content.. all expansions.

The only reason GW1 wasn’t as big as WoW is because it wasn’t aimed at casuals as much, definitely not PvP-wise. Casuals cash in more money, money is what keeps this game floating. I do feel left out being part of that “hardcore” group that wants more and better competitive gameplay, I want that esport that was promised to us. I do realise however this isn’t going to happen.

I’ve got deep love for this game, I do enjoy it.. but basically thief is the only class that allows some “hardcore” gameplay, but it lacks in SO MANY WAYS. When is SA #5 finally being replaced by something better or just plain removed. When will the visual animation of stealthing actually show up.. I lost count of how many times I’ve died because an error was forced UPON me. Landing a cloack and dagger while being already stealthed, because the visual animation fails big time.

Thief isn’t being pushed into teamplay, we simply add nothing, roaming however isn’t much of an option either. Vigor hit me pretty hard. I can’t outdodge the ridiculous OP necro AoE fields or Warriors with friggin’ shortbows insta blowing you up. I’m exaggerating a little here obviously, trying to make a point. Still it is truthful imo.

When you do down someone however, we have a hard time getting a stomp in. Either we die by random AoE spamming at downed target, or downed target gets insta ressed because stomping is a million times slower.. or you get knocked down because your only source of stability is Daggerstorm which you cannot use during a stomp. Oh yeah, we could Shadowstep out and back in, wasting our precious utility, the only good thing that keeps us alive lol.

It just frustrates me a bit how poorly designed Thieves are at this point. I’ve come back from a break from the game, I see myself quitting soon though. It’s just becoming hard to enjoy atm. Don’t get me wrong however, I do love this game, I just don’t support the design choices that are being made. specifically for Thieves.

Sceinna.3561:

Fact is no one on the Dev team is playing their own game “hardcore” as some of their customers are. GW2, already heavily aimed at casuals, keeps dumbing down the game to keep their casuals satisfied, with auto-popping boons, promoting zerg play (I do play in a hardcore WvW guild, we do run as a group and what not).

Let’s get real here, this game has nowhere near the competitive gameplay Guild Wars 1 had, the only mmorpg I’ve played for !!6!! years, buying content.. all expansions.

The only reason GW1 wasn’t as big as WoW is because it wasn’t aimed at casuals as much, definitely not PvP-wise. Casuals cash in more money, money is what keeps this game floating. I do feel left out being part of that “hardcore” group that wants more and better competitive gameplay, I want that esport that was promised to us. I do realise however this isn’t going to happen.

I’ve got deep love for this game, I do enjoy it.. but basically thief is the only class that allows some “hardcore” gameplay, but it lacks in SO MANY WAYS. When is SA #5 finally being replaced by something better or just plain removed. When will the visual animation of stealthing actually show up.. I lost count of how many times I’ve died because an error was forced UPON me. Landing a cloack and dagger while being already stealthed, because the visual animation fails big time.

Thief isn’t being pushed into teamplay, we simply add nothing, roaming however isn’t much of an option either. Vigor hit me pretty hard. I can’t outdodge the ridiculous OP necro AoE fields or Warriors with friggin’ shortbows insta blowing you up. I’m exaggerating a little here obviously, trying to make a point. Still it is truthful imo.

When you do down someone however, we have a hard time getting a stomp in. Either we die by random AoE spamming at downed target, or downed target gets insta ressed because stomping is a million times slower.. or you get knocked down because your only source of stability is Daggerstorm which you cannot use during a stomp. Oh yeah, we could Shadowstep out and back in, wasting our precious utility, the only good thing that keeps us alive lol.

It just frustrates me a bit how poorly designed Thieves are at this point. I’ve come back from a break from the game, I see myself quitting soon though. It’s just becoming hard to enjoy atm. Don’t get me wrong however, I do love this game, I just don’t support the design choices that are being made. specifically for Thieves.

You bring up problems that nearly every other class except you have access to a really poorly designed stealth mechanic. But don’t worry there are a couple of games on the horizon that will have much better designed wvw mechanics as well as class mechanics. I know Camelot Unchained won’t be catering to casuals, hopefully ESO won’t either.

Incurafy.6329:

Actually, Instinctual Response is fine, it’s Last Refuge that people complain about because it’s a 5 point minor trait that you don’t have the option to take, it’s mandatory if you put any points into Shadow Arts.

Kitten Last Refuge >:( Bump it up to the 10 slot and put something else in the minor.

Dynnen.6405:

You bring up problems that nearly every other class except you have access to a really poorly designed stealth mechanic. But don’t worry there are a couple of games on the horizon that will have much better designed wvw mechanics as well as class mechanics. I know Camelot Unchained won’t be catering to casuals, hopefully ESO won’t either.

Every other class has some kind of purpose, except ranger maybe lol. Thieves are almost being pushed into roaming, our good offensive skills all require a stealth mechanic that is indeed broken.

Whenever I play my Guardian or Necro or Mesmer or Ele or w/e I don’t feel the same kind of stress I feel when I play Thief. Because I know if I die 1v5, theres only so much I could’ve done. Thief is another story, being able to stealth changes everything.. like I said, it allows good players to pick your targets one by one. Of course anything with minimal coordination you’ll be pretty much harmless to.

Thing is I find myself dying in the most stupid ways, mechanics bugging out (bugs in general). I could overcome a lot of these issues with Vigor, aka outdodging stuns, damage and what not. Vigor actually struck me really hard. It’s the only nerf I was against, any class can build up Vigor rather than go full zerk and spam AoE from a distance, it’s a choice you make. I like closs combat but I need some form of survivability. That survivability got cut in half with last patch.

Bumping this for the new week! Huzzah!

I think this request is fair.

Much of the thief community is confused at the recent changes – why some were necessary, why others were implemented the way they were, how the acrobatics changes increase survivability, etc etc etc.

It would be really nice if the dev’s hopped on and showed us how they use these changes to build and play a viable TPvP thief.

While i do agree TSO look promising dont get your hopes up to soon. As for where Guild Wars 2 stands right now its just a mather of balancing a few skill out. The arena net i know isnt gunna leave thief endlessly in the dirt i could also bet theil soon get up a pvp/pve skill bar triage wich will set appart the pvp spec from the pve spec.

Travlane.5948:

Malik.6781:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLEfsBTh6_A

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he says…… " one thing i dont have is infiltrators signet which is 25% speed boost to help move around faster on the map"

LOL’d

Wow, that’s just sad…after a year, one would think that they know all the Thieves skills by heart…I mean, they spent a whole lot of time nerfing those skills.