Guild Wars 2

I can put 9s of immob on a target with this skill… That is ridiculous… and no one can cleanse it since i stack it with other venoms and about 6 other condis pop up with immob. Then the best part is is that when 9s runs comes close to running out, ill just spam body shot. (lol)

My suggestion- Remove immob completely and give it burning with cripple, or something like that. Maybe confusion, just hell, not immob. Its way too strong.

Edit—Burning is something you guys wouldnt mind, yea? It helps the thief out with a lacking condition and it gets rid of the 9s immob cheese tactic. Sorry that i need to make this more clear to people who didn’t care to read the post.

Yo, you kidding us?
Oh, wait, no you’re right, venoms are op, everybody knows that.

This is troublesome… warrior don’t really complain about immob, how do we get Anet to nerf thief immob if warrior don’t complain about it?

Well, you could pretend to be a Super smashy flashy Hammer skiller warrior and got ganked by those evil venom thieves (an upleveled thief ofc). Post this in warrior Forum, wait for nerf.

Super long CD, noticable on boons, charges wasted on miss/block. :o Wat?

so about 10 other skills are in teh same boat. warriors can 1 shot an almost 6 second immob. thats more than devourer by alot. if u add the +30% from stats on time plus another 20% in weapons andanother 40% from food thats about 11 seconds of immob. learn the game before you openyour mouth kiddo. making your self look silly and just a L2P player.

@ OP

warriors are like 1/4 of the CD thieves havetoo.

ours can miss AND its utility. theres isnt.

kitten cooldown and misses on everything other than a perfect hit.
blind
aegis
dodge
evade
block
invul
clones
npcs
minions
phantasm
summons/shield
ambient mobs
etc etc etc

get better

Travlane, youre kinda right that warriors are kings of immoblize and such. But saying that he needs to learn the game is competly wrong. Look on things with a slight kindered heart. he aint one of those kids who come here and shout NERF NERF NERF NERF NERF. of course im at the thief side but. how would you feel after someone comes and immoblizes you 9 sec if you where new to the game? hmm? You wouldnt feel good no matter if you can counter it or not. let people say what they want. complain CONSTRUCTIVILY. instead of being an competle duche…. Stop with your personal insults. Are you mature or an little kid which worries that you can get nerf and just panic with insults instead of fighting against it like a man? btw burning with cripple is an AMAZING suggestion and would be perfect.

He did show up here complaining nerf nerf nerf and he deserves what he got. Nothing wrong with devourer or venom share. It’s still not as strong as other builds.

I understand what you’re saying to Travelene, Tower, but it really is frustrating when venoms are now OP. If we’re going to go down the road of serious discussion though, buff the base of venoms (probably with CD time reduction) and nerf the associated traits.

You’re gimping yourself if you use venoms. They only work in venomshare builds which are already one trick pony kitten builds. There are far better utilities than venoms. If someone lets himself be immobilized for that long then he deserves it.

There’s a reason you very rarely even see these so called “venomshare” builds. They don’t even work in pve btw.

You know what really grinds me gears? It’s when people yell nerf whenever someone finds something on a thief that works. Whatever works for a thief is always OP it seems….. I say it’s bad players who can’t admit that they’re bad.

Quick, everyone start a warrior alt and complain!

nerf venomshare a LITTLE>…and buff venoms so they are useable on their own.

there is nothing wrong with devourer venom. if u get 6-9s of immob for a kitten cooldown…u are using ALOT of traitpoints, special weapons, and etc etc to do so and sacrificing lots of other things on defensive side. even so …. couple dodges and most the venoms are missed and gone from the attacker…..and if they do hit its only once per 45 seconds. most fights end in 20secs. warriors have theirs on super short cooldowns.

basically what the OP is saying is…..nerf somethign that hasnt been a problem for the last 12 months. now that everything else is nerfed lets keep going down the line to the next thing. you can bring stun breaks on your build….then fight a player playing full condi. you can bring lots of condi removal and then find a player coming at u with lots of stuns/KDs. thats life. every build/setup has its strenghts and weaknesses . deal with it. thief has some of the worst immobs in game. devourer venom is a risk and super long cd which hurts defense by taking it.

Warriors can clear it easily.

Travlane said all that needs to be said.

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You guys are ridiculous. DID YOU EVEN READ THE REST OF MY POST…. It’s like you see the word nerf and have bowel movements.

Shut….. up… about warriors…. That is for their forum. YES THEY ARE OP… AND ITS BEING COMPLAINED ABOUT AS WE SPEAK….

Maybe for once you should try not evading the thread and just pouring it on warriors, and when that happens, the thief community MIGHT be a halfway decent one.

Rafahil.2857:

You’re gimping yourself if you use venoms. They only work in venomshare builds which are already one trick pony kitten builds. There are far better utilities than venoms. If someone lets himself be immobilized for that long then he deserves it.

There’s a reason you very rarely even see these so called “venomshare” builds. They don’t even work in pve btw.

You know what really grinds me gears? It’s when people yell nerf whenever someone finds something on a thief that works. Whatever works for a thief is always OP it seems….. I say it’s bad players who can’t admit that they’re bad.

Youre entire post is invalid. I PLAY this spec and its flat out kittened.
Did you see those words?

I PLAY THIS SPEC.

Travlane.5948:

so about 10 other skills are in teh same boat. warriors can 1 shot an almost 6 second immob. thats more than devourer by alot. if u add the +30% from stats on time plus another 20% in weapons andanother 40% from food thats about 11 seconds of immob. learn the game before you openyour mouth kiddo. making your self look silly and just a L2P player.

@ OP

Get better? I need to learn to play? I look silly? Maybe when you learn to read… lol.

I, would like to inform you, The Game Slayer.7632, that your post has been added to the nerf wish list. This is to keep the forums cleaner of various nerf requests that are made and to help the developers see a list of all the needed nerfs that has been requested by the community. I have read your post carefully, and even included a new suggestion section in the list.

:D Have a good day.

The Game Slayer.7632:

Travlane.5948:

so about 10 other skills are in teh same boat. warriors can 1 shot an almost 6 second immob. thats more than devourer by alot. if u add the +30% from stats on time plus another 20% in weapons andanother 40% from food thats about 11 seconds of immob. learn the game before you openyour mouth kiddo. making your self look silly and just a L2P player.

@ OP

Get better? I need to learn to play? I look silly? Maybe when you learn to read… lol.

if u think devourer venom is OP. then u are just asking for the game to be dumbed down. its not OP at all. seriously. never heard a complain in 13-14 months ssooo…. ur a first.

Now venoms are OP? What’s next, traps? LOL!

Just remove immob stacking, blah blah, everyone is happy again, thieves dont need more (any) snares with all of the shadowsteps they have.
Venom share isnt useful outside of wvw, and it seems this is the best they have to offer in terms of group utility. Might as well let them have their day in the spotlight before stuffing them back down the nerf hole.

Incurafy.6329:

Now venoms are OP? What’s next, traps? LOL!

Well, shadow trap was nerfed….

Incurafy.6329:

Now venoms are OP? What’s next, traps? LOL!

Shadowstep is next. And probably Shortbow again.

Well TBQH venoms by themselves are probably quite underpowered. Venom Share makes them very strong. Thus venoms are kind of in a catch22.

My suggestion would be to remove venomshare trait, or rework it completely, and then balance venoms from there.

For example, untraited venoms are automatically shared with the closest single ally in 240 radius. Venom Share trait increases the range to 500 radius, and venom share limit to 5 allies.

You guys make the thief community look bad.

The instant you see the word ‘nerf’ you stop reading and rage.

Maybe if you took a minute to read my post we COULD have a constructive conversation.

Most of you lack reading comprehension and go ape kitten when you see the word nerf.

Lol.

swinsk.6410:

He did show up here complaining nerf nerf nerf and he deserves what he got. Nothing wrong with devourer or venom share. It’s still not as strong as other builds.

Lol i didn’t, if you took the time to read the rest of my post you are probably going to say to yourself “oh… ok my bad”

immobilize can be cleanse easily as the meta is condition spec so everyone has 1-3 condition removal
you can stack up to 3 stacks so up to 9 seconds but if you get blinds /evades etc like above you cant do anything with it
so mesmer just blink away, thieves shadowstep, warrior and guardian invulnerability, ele mist away, engin invulnerable and ranger die
so you have to use it smartly like any other skill

GL

While i’m listening to everyone making valid and invalid arguments, all i’m waiting for is a complete thief class redesign/rework.

Because until than…

it will not get better

but only worse

For Everyone

Including,

Thief

The Game Slayer.7632:

You guys make the thief community look bad.

The instant you see the word ‘nerf’ you stop reading and rage.

Maybe if you took a minute to read my post we COULD have a constructive conversation.

Most of you lack reading comprehension and go ape kitten when you see the word nerf.

Lol.

when we should be talking buf buff buff forthe past 8 months…yes it is annoying. nothing should been nerfed since feb/march

Stop feeding those trolls guys -_-

Heh, Venoms being too powerful. Good one!

ppl who say its 2 strong than just build ur builds soo that some way you can remove cripple straight or take teleport invonrability skills or friends maibe? who help ya when you are immobilized for 9 sec twa cwnom rgief can be powerful if he has good allys around hem so just get urself a good allys aloso remember venom share thief solo is weak and no im not playing thief and dont eaven have 1 but thiefs shood be buffed not nerfed

When will the days of “I lost to a class, I better post a nerf in the forums”
ever go away?

The flipside of your idea is “what could you have done different?”

messiah.1908:

immobilize can be cleanse easily as the meta is condition spec so everyone has 1-3 condition removal
you can stack up to 3 stacks so up to 9 seconds but if you get blinds /evades etc like above you cant do anything with it
so mesmer just blink away, thieves shadowstep, warrior and guardian invulnerability, ele mist away, engin invulnerable and ranger die
so you have to use it smartly like any other skill

GL

poor ranger D :

omg
teef used devorer venim
couldnt avoid hits
couldnt condi cleanse teefs amazing OP condi apply
venom share bild to OP
i git hit by 9s immob all teh tyme
its so bad
so OP
much good
no block
no evade
4ever alone

devorer venom says it only apply twice
but it can three times
with Residual
and 30% condi dur means i can be immob for 7.5s
i cant evade or condi clean 3 hits
2 powerfull

pl0x nerf anet

Thunderbrew.7034:

When will the days of “I lost to a class, I better post a nerf in the forums”
ever go away?

So long as at least two classes exist.

Thunderbrew.7034:

The flipside of your idea is “what could you have done different?”

Outrageous!! Clearly couldn’t do anything because other class OP!

Thunderbrew.7034:

When will the days of “I lost to a class, I better post a nerf in the forums”
ever go away?

The flipside of your idea is “what could you have done different?”

You do a lot of assuming. lol. I’ve let go of my ele a few weeks ago and ive been playing thief nonstop. I’m destroying people …. ive got it up to 10s immob and it’s extreme cheese. It’s funny seeing engis and eles using their invuln for a pity 3s when the immob lasts 10s.

That’s still on a 45 second CD, 36 if traited, plus residual venoms, condi duration buffs, plus a little warning on your buff bar. In addition it takes up a utility slot. This is a base 4 second immobilize compared to maybe throw bolas which is on half the CD. Just because you’ve invested a fair amount into a certain utility skill which could be cleansed with a single condi clear doesn’t make it cheese. You compared it to a stun, but similarly if you don’t bring a stunbreak you’re going to get stomped if you can’t avoid the hit.

To further the discussion then: how would you propose nerfing a 4 second immobilize on a 45 second CD?

The Game Slayer.7632:

Thunderbrew.7034:

When will the days of “I lost to a class, I better post a nerf in the forums”
ever go away?

The flipside of your idea is “what could you have done different?”

You do a lot of assuming. lol. I’ve let go of my ele a few weeks ago and ive been playing thief nonstop. I’m destroying people …. ive got it up to 10s immob and it’s extreme cheese. It’s funny seeing engis and eles using their invuln for a pity 3s when the immob lasts 10s.

Pvp-perspective: After the first duel, ppl will know they just have to cleanse once the venom stacks are used. So long you don’t use the second stack, you can’t deal him damage. So to deal damage you are required to use both stacks (or all three if traited) at once.

As a thief, if you don’t run the other venoms, you have acces to only 3 damaging conditions: Bleeding, poison and torment. A devourer venom thief will probably need a hard hitting weapon, which leaves him poison and bleeding (dagger) or nothing (sword). The other conditions we thieves have are relatively hard to maintain on a target. So a simple condi cleanse that removes more than 1 condi, will remove all the immobilize you just put on.

The reason why I choose pvp over wvw perspective, is because the chance of facing the same enemy is a LOT bigger in pvp due to small map / limited enemies.

As an ele, if you can’t survive his damage in those 10 seconds, I’d recommend stopping him from dealing damage: Knockdown from earth/air, heavy aoe damage to make him have to abandon you. Oh and maybe even just use a condi clear. Just make sure you don’t get hit below 50%, if you’re unlucky and the enemy thief runs “panic strike” as grandmaster trait, he’ll put a new immob stack on you. And I don’t recommend waiting ‘till that immob is on you before cleansing cause you’ll be below 50% health, which isn’t something you want to be at against a thief … especially on dagger