Guild Wars 2

Honestly, I think this was a terrible change. Sure it helps thieves who could never tell when their steal was on CD, but in all seriousness am I the only one who finds it annoying to have to bind another key after playing the class for so long just so i can use my stolen ability? This is literally the only thing I don’t like about the patch and thieves. Every person that ive talked to has said its an annoyance/nuisance, like id absolutely love for a revert lmao.

Revert this change ? No thx

On paper this change seemed cool, but it is actually not very fluid.

I prefer the new system because:
“Improvisation: One random skill category is immediately recharged when you steal. You can use stolen items twice.”
I don’t want to HAVE to use the stolen item twice if I want to Steal again.

It bothered me for a bit. I have my F1 bound to a hotkey for most class abilities and whilst it works for the Steal it no longer is a quick use for the item.
It’s nice since you can use Steal even with a item in hand, so not something I’d revert since I find it more valuable than the item in most cases.
Will take some getting used to.

Pentalic.5409:

I prefer the new system because:
“Improvisation: One random skill category is immediately recharged when you steal. You can use stolen items twice.”
I don’t want to HAVE to use the stolen item twice if I want to Steal again.

What about unlocking F2 only if you have this trait then ?
Or maybe an option somwhere, I don’t know, but I liked it better when we were “forced” to use the item to steal again.

After a few fights fumbling for the wrong key, I found it relatively easy to get used to in the end, and I do like it better this way. I’d be disappointed if it reverted.

Howl.2498:

After a few fights fumbling for the wrong key, I found it relatively easy to get used to in the end, and I do like it better this way. I’d be disappointed if it reverted.

Still have a few “whoopsie” moments and throw a couple of things away before engaging out of habit, but once I break the habit it should be fine.

I love it! Just that F2 is now my button which was formerly for my elite, so I mess things up quite a bit – but I will get used to it.

I cant get used to its sight it just looks wrong to my eyes but the functionality is just awesome

I like ti and will take some time to get used to

This is a straight buff, it gives thieves more options. Just learn to use it.

It will take a little getting used to it, but once you have that muscle memory in place you will appreciate it.

Personally,I think this is a great change and something I wanted to see from the start.

It does work better. It’s just getting used to it.

Pentalic.5409:

I prefer the new system because:
“Improvisation: One random skill category is immediately recharged when you steal. You can use stolen items twice.”
I don’t want to HAVE to use the stolen item twice if I want to Steal again.

This right here. This trait is amazing. If timed right you can use a stolen ability 4x in a row with two steals. Fought a guardian last night and with daze on steal and the stolen ability I was able to interrupt him 6x back to back lol.

I like the change for two reasons :

1) I don’t have to use the item in order to steal again
2) I’m actualy aware of the exact cooldown.

Honestly it is perfect that way

Howl.2498:

After a few fights fumbling for the wrong key, I found it relatively easy to get used to in the end, and I do like it better this way. I’d be disappointed if it reverted.

+1

This change thieves just need to get used to. Once we all remember to hit f2 or our new bind then it will be fine. I kept hitting f1 trying to use stolen skill and messing it up too…

I like it. Granted, I’ve not had the chance to try it out properly yet, but there are going to be times when I am saved by it. Quite often in the past, I’ve needed to use Steal defensively due to eating a cc, but hadn’t used the stolen item yet so couldn’t. This change will enable me to do so. It removes pressure to use the skill before the opportune moment in order to have Steal available.

It’s just a l2p issue. It’s a good change, just takes a bit to get used to.

Like it.
But what bothers me is that I don’t like the empty icon, it’s not really good looking.
They should make it appear only when we have something to use for exemple.

You have like two abilities in this game. This is a literal case of git gud.

This trait is really fun to use, and as stated I think it’ll feel seamless with a bit of practice. It definitely takes a higher skill cap to use improv with double steal based on the mechanics and added options, but the rewards are there both in engaging play and results. Aaaaand if you don’t like it you can go executioner and crush people.

Amonatory.2453:

Honestly, I think this was a terrible change. Sure it helps thieves who could never tell when their steal was on CD, but in all seriousness am I the only one who finds it annoying to have to bind another key after playing the class for so long just so i can use my stolen ability? This is literally the only thing I don’t like about the patch and thieves. Every person that ive talked to has said its an annoyance/nuisance, like id absolutely love for a revert lmao.

Thanks for the laugh. 10/10 would read again.

Well guess you didn’t interview everyone because myself and all the thieves I know are really happy with this change. Especially ones like me who run steal builds. Sure at first it took some getting used to, but compared to the other classes and how awkward it was to adjust to their changes, I’d say overall this went pretty smoothly. Also if you’re not traiting for double steals and 4x fearing necros for endless laughs you’re doing it wrong

I dig the change. Getting gunk isn’t a burden like it was before (I know it has it’s uses, but wasn’t always worth using) and with the change to improvisation, this was really needed.

Good job ANet!

I made a thread detailing this theory, but I think this is the first step to make the skill become a shadowreturn after use once the specialization comes. They needed to free the F1 button after using it.

Also, I’m liking the new improvisation trait a lot (2 globs of ecto? to free stealths? 2 healing seeds? give me moar!!). At the end of the day it’s muscle memory and if you ever played other profession not named Warrior for a bit you should’ve a F2 binded somewhere.

YuiRS.8129:

This is a straight buff, it gives thieves more options. Just learn to use it.

What option did we gain? The ability to visually see a 20s timer? WOAH! Did people really have a hard time knowing when their steal was off CD?

It’s a pain right now. I am sure it will take some time to get used to. I like the concept, but currently is slows combat down for me at times.

Also, with lag here and there it chains into whatever ability I have on skill 2, basically making me waste some initiative and making me perform a skill 2 I did not intentionally mean to use (but that’s more of a lag thing)

Lettuce.2945:

Amonatory.2453:

Honestly, I think this was a terrible change. Sure it helps thieves who could never tell when their steal was on CD, but in all seriousness am I the only one who finds it annoying to have to bind another key after playing the class for so long just so i can use my stolen ability? This is literally the only thing I don’t like about the patch and thieves. Every person that ive talked to has said its an annoyance/nuisance, like id absolutely love for a revert lmao.

Thanks for the laugh. 10/10 would read again.

Man, you must be on these forums everyday. I will make another if you truly enjoyed this bud.

Mordecai.6318:

YuiRS.8129:

This is a straight buff, it gives thieves more options. Just learn to use it.

What option did we gain? The ability to visually see a 20s timer? WOAH! Did people really have a hard time knowing when their steal was off CD?

1) Not having to use an item so we have access to steal.
2) Being able to use steal as a daze while holding an item if you were ambushed.

Being able to see the CD is just a nice bonus.

This is no issue period, an extra hotkey isn’t even a problem tbh, because this game doesn’t have many keys to press

Not bad, but I wonder how long it will take until I won’t missklick every time while trying to use the stolen item.

since i have my f1-f4 on my mouse the change was really nice for me but, i ran into a similar problem with engi getting an f5, so i get where your coming from

Amonatory.2453:

Lettuce.2945:

Amonatory.2453:

Honestly, I think this was a terrible change. Sure it helps thieves who could never tell when their steal was on CD, but in all seriousness am I the only one who finds it annoying to have to bind another key after playing the class for so long just so i can use my stolen ability? This is literally the only thing I don’t like about the patch and thieves. Every person that ive talked to has said its an annoyance/nuisance, like id absolutely love for a revert lmao.

Thanks for the laugh. 10/10 would read again.

Man, you must be on these forums everyday. I will make another if you truly enjoyed this bud.

Please do. It’s a good laugh. Last person I expected to hear that “struggles” with 1 more button on a thief.

I also like the F2 addition, it’s very nice, and I always hated the AoE target gunk ability (I like the one that gives Chaos Armor, though), so this is handy.

Love the F2 ability. Instead of feeling like you have to use the stolen item quickly you can use it at your leisure, ie. when it is best for you or if you need to steal again just steal and get a new item. I also noticed with Improvisation you could potentially keep 7% damage increase from Rune of the Engineer from holding a stolen item.

F2 ability is fine. why would you want to be forced to use a skill just to steal again? that doesnt even make sense. This is the least of thieves problems right now, and not even a problem at all IMO.

I like the additional functionality. Not as much having to use F2. Probably just a matter of getting used to, but feels a little more clunky than it used to.

On a whim I figured I’d visit the Thief forums to get a pulse. I honestly can’t believe an increase in flexibility is a source of complaint, because using an extra button is kind of hard for a bit.

I’ll see myself out.

Pentalic.5409:

I prefer the new system because:
“Improvisation: One random skill category is immediately recharged when you steal. You can use stolen items twice.”
I don’t want to HAVE to use the stolen item twice if I want to Steal again.

Good point.

Of all the things wrong with this patch this wouldn’t have been the one i’d expect to see you post about though haha.
I don’t think it’s a bad idea either, it just should have been incorporated on release. It’s a little awkward to add it in now.

Amonatory.2453:

Honestly, I think this was a terrible change. Sure it helps thieves who could never tell when their steal was on CD, but in all seriousness am I the only one who finds it annoying to have to bind another key after playing the class for so long just so i can use my stolen ability? This is literally the only thing I don’t like about the patch and thieves. Every person that ive talked to has said its an annoyance/nuisance, like id absolutely love for a revert lmao.

I hate having to use another button, but as an avid Hidden Thief user I actually like being able to do a no-target steal for my 3-second stealth without having to clear out my stolen item.

Anonymouse.4760:

Pentalic.5409:

I prefer the new system because:
“Improvisation: One random skill category is immediately recharged when you steal. You can use stolen items twice.”
I don’t want to HAVE to use the stolen item twice if I want to Steal again.

Good point.

Of all the things wrong with this patch this wouldn’t have been the one i’d expect to see you post about though haha.
I don’t think it’s a bad idea either, it just should have been incorporated on release. It’s a little awkward to add it in now.

Literally the only thing that bothers me :P

Lettuce.2945:

Amonatory.2453:

Lettuce.2945:

Amonatory.2453:

Honestly, I think this was a terrible change. Sure it helps thieves who could never tell when their steal was on CD, but in all seriousness am I the only one who finds it annoying to have to bind another key after playing the class for so long just so i can use my stolen ability? This is literally the only thing I don’t like about the patch and thieves. Every person that ive talked to has said its an annoyance/nuisance, like id absolutely love for a revert lmao.

Thanks for the laugh. 10/10 would read again.

Man, you must be on these forums everyday. I will make another if you truly enjoyed this bud.

Please do. It’s a good laugh. Last person I expected to hear that “struggles” with 1 more button on a thief.

Struggle? Nah, more like I just find it dumb to implement it almost 3 years into the game. Just an annoyance bud.

Your head might blow up when they add specialisation.

if you’re playing other classes who uses f1 to f4 this wud not be a problem to u.. honestly i like this f2 thing + improvisation trait!!

Luto.1938:

Pentalic.5409:

I prefer the new system because:
“Improvisation: One random skill category is immediately recharged when you steal. You can use stolen items twice.”
I don’t want to HAVE to use the stolen item twice if I want to Steal again.

This right here. This trait is amazing. If timed right you can use a stolen ability 4x in a row with two steals. Fought a guardian last night and with daze on steal and the stolen ability I was able to interrupt him 6x back to back lol.

I love it too. Stealing from a mesmer is great for boons and nobody who can switch boons to condis thinks about thieves having all of those boons haha. Plus two ranger healing trees? Using combo finishers with it or stacking stealth heals really has saved my kitten quite a few times.

Coldin.2840:

I like the additional functionality. Not as much having to use F2. Probably just a matter of getting used to, but feels a little more clunky than it used to.

It starts out feeling awkward and there’s going to be miss clicks. I put F2 on Left Ctrl so it’s not too near the same neighborhood of keys as Steal to cut down on miss clicks and I only have to lean and press down to the left a little with my left lower palm so there’s no hand or finger lift off, plus leaning to the left feels kinda gangster.

only read the OP but I’m jsut gunna say, if your reasoning behind not liking this is “I don’t wanna muscle memory another key” then your reasoning is, frankly, terrible. It’s obviously better for the game mechanically aside from the fact that you have to get used to hitting another button. I’ve fought you many time Amon and I know you are a good player, just get used to it dude. You don’t put forward any argument as to why this is a negative change at all besides “I don’t wanna learn it”. Once again, someone else mighta said this and you might have brought up some counter argument in this thread but i only read the OP. Really, if you stopped and thought about it, you aren’t the only one who has to get used to new things right now. Get over yourself and DONOT become one of the self entitled. I know you are better than that man.

i don’t like this change, because it’s way too much work!
i want it simple