Guild Wars 2

Eviscerate hits harder than Backstab.

Increase Backstab damage.

Yes or No?

No. With upcoming patch, Eviscerate is gonna be useless against any decent player.

Eviscerate is on a minimum 7 second cooldown. Put a cd on backstab. See, that’s not how it works.

Ok if Eviscerate does half damage from the front and isn’t a leap anymore but a plain melee attack.

Theres a 4 second cooldown on backstab. And you have to hit it from behind.

Eviscerate is a minimum of 7 second cooldown. How long does it take a warrior to get full adrenaline will be its new cooldown.

oxtred.7658:

Eviscerate is on a minimum 7 second cooldown. Put a cd on backstab. See, that’s not how it works.

For pvp with d +p
Revealed lasts 4 sec in pvp + the time it takes to enter stealth, with the combo is near 1 sec because of the cast times + 9 initiative cost(or utilities with high cd) + the time it takes to position to hit on the sides or the back + the risk of hitting from the front.

Wolfield.9812:

Theres a 4 second cooldown on backstab. And you have to hit it from behind.

Eviscerate is a minimum of 7 second cooldown. How long does it take a warrior to get full adrenaline will be its new cooldown.

How easy is it to land a good CnD or how long to do BP+HS and get behind foe? How easy is it to set up a eviscerate and not be blinded,blocked,evaded? Since when were war and thief the same when were any classes the same?

This thread is bad – 9999

Wolfield.9812:

Eviscerate hits harder than Backstab.

Increase Backstab damage.

That argument doesn’t hold.

Backstab is already much stronger.
More expensive but more often useable, faster and harder to dodge.

Its still a fact that does hold. Eviscerate does hit harder than Backstab.

Sagat.3285:

Wolfield.9812:

Theres a 4 second cooldown on backstab. And you have to hit it from behind.

Eviscerate is a minimum of 7 second cooldown. How long does it take a warrior to get full adrenaline will be its new cooldown.

How easy is it to land a good CnD or how long to do BP+HS and get behind foe? How easy is it to set up a eviscerate and not be blinded,blocked,evaded? Since when were war and thief the same when were any classes the same?

This thread is bad – 9999

I like how you complained on something that ALL classes could complain about, backstab can be blinded, blocked or evaded as any other spell like eviscerate.
Now you are complaining about “backstab is from stealth you can’t evade it”, wrong.
If you have a bit of skill you can easily dodge backstabs, so I don’t wanna be the “l2p” promoter, but just… l2p mate

tora.3205:

Sagat.3285:

Wolfield.9812:

Theres a 4 second cooldown on backstab. And you have to hit it from behind.

Eviscerate is a minimum of 7 second cooldown. How long does it take a warrior to get full adrenaline will be its new cooldown.

How easy is it to land a good CnD or how long to do BP+HS and get behind foe? How easy is it to set up a eviscerate and not be blinded,blocked,evaded? Since when were war and thief the same when were any classes the same?

This thread is bad – 9999

I like how you complained on something that ALL classes could complain about, backstab can be blinded, blocked or evaded as any other spell like eviscerate.
Now you are complaining about “backstab is from stealth you can’t evade it”, wrong.
If you have a bit of skill you can easily dodge backstabs, so I don’t wanna be the “l2p” promoter, but just… l2p mate

Just wow…no comparison is being done here..no class complaints are being held…just wow I stated you do not compare skills between classes…..this l2p must make you feel great.

Honestly, I think backstab damage should be increased. Least in spvp. I don’t wvw anymore.

My zerker warrior has way more defense and way more offense than any burst thief build there is…

I’ve hb people for 16k… Usually 10k or more, kill shot 9-12k…

I usually just run away when in trouble and use healing sig which heals for same as shadow rejuv except it requires no traits or stealth…

Warrior has better burst. Thieves only upside is attacking from stealth , but once you know a thief is there it’s a moot point.

Thief should hit harder…

op stop comparing proffessions. warrior is way different than thief, not happy with it? play a warrior.

Wyrden what is wrong with comparing professions?

Warrior is not way different from thief.

If I am not happy with it, I will discuss it, you do not have to take part in said discussion.

I do not wish to play warrior.

Wyrden hope that answers all your points from 27 minutes ago.

When you compare two skills you forget the other skills, weapons, traits,class roles, base stat difference, class,mechanism …..unless you mention all that it’s pointless.

Sagat.3285:

When you compare two skills you forget the other skills, weapons, traits,class roles, base stat difference, class,mechanism …..unless you mention all that it’s pointless.

exactly this.

well then…let’s compare classes
warrior, eles, power necros and guardians…personally i think all their full bursts are stronger than ours
i’m talking about bursts builds atm
with like 6/6/0/0/2 or 4/6/0/0/4

i’m not even ganna behind with full burst thief’s survival…just straight up dmg right now

eviscerate is easier to avoid too.

Let’s all play FPS games where the only thing to balance is gun stats!

Or actually accept that there is difference between classes in GW2. A thief can instantly start a battle with backstab (CnD, steal, backstab, 3 clicks) but a warrior can’t start a battle with eviscerate, particularly after the patch.

darres.8203:

well then…let’s compare classes
warrior, eles, power necros and guardians…personally i think all their full bursts are stronger than ours
i’m talking about bursts builds atm
with like 6/6/0/0/2 or 4/6/0/0/4

i’m not even ganna behind with full burst thief’s survival…just straight up dmg right now

ye nice, lets compare dmg!

how about no, then lets give mesmers etc the dmg eles or warriors do.

not even sure if u r srs.

you guys whine too much.

You make Thief look completely worthless and helpless compared to Warrior class.

While on the other hand, Warriors just envy Thieves.

If you pick up 100% crit chance in stealth then pretty much you can crit any attack anytime. Backstab require landing on the back, but rest skills do not.

heartseeker is a fast and Leap type of attack. If opponent’s hp is low enough, you can crit him for almost same number like backstab. Even if it’s frontal hit.

Another funny thing, Heartseeker has a very long Leap, Eviscerate do not.
Eviscerate is slow and dodgeable, while HS in stealth isn’t.

Also you can crit HS twice in stealth (D/P) easily.

Sagat.3285:

When you compare two skills you forget the other skills, weapons, traits,class roles, base stat difference, class,mechanism …..unless you mention all that it’s pointless.

Exactly this^^ people that bring up 1 skill vs another cross class tend have no idea about balance.

To be fair, warrior IS easy to play and waaay more forgiving than thief… comming from personal experience (playing hambow or any variation of GS/sword/wh/shield/LB war and d/p trickery thief).

I think the issue is not even backstab or eviscerate dmg, it is the fact that war is way tankier than thief but does comparable dmg. Add celestial, might stacking, full defensive build on war, and you will still see them do more or same dmg as backstab while being extremely tanky at this point + they don’t have positional requirement like backstab does.
Thieves can’t do the same. If thief goes full celestial + might runes/int sigil and full defensive trees he won’t do junk for dmg and will still flip over really fast.

If max amount of might stacks was nerfed in pvp at least and celestial was never added it wouldn’t be so bad imo. I am glad they finally adressed burst skill actually draining adrenalin on use. I found it pretty silly and unintuitive when burst skill didn’t drain adrenalin when you missed or it got dodged (won’t really affect hambow tho lol).

On last note, this game always suffered from same issue: it is possible for some classes to build full tank and do as much dmg as glass cannons. In any classical MMORPG, if it ever happend, those builds would get nerfed pretty fast because frankly why run high risk glass build when you can run tank and do same dmg. It just results in players abaddoning classes/builds that can’t do it.
Idk why it is still the thing in GW2. The conquest mode in GW2 also enforces it too.

eviscerate is only up every once in a while and is not always on demand where as back-stab is, (since any thief build has stealth on demand)

Wyrden.4713:

darres.8203:

well then…let’s compare classes
warrior, eles, power necros and guardians…personally i think all their full bursts are stronger than ours
i’m talking about bursts builds atm
with like 6/6/0/0/2 or 4/6/0/0/4

i’m not even ganna behind with full burst thief’s survival…just straight up dmg right now

ye nice, lets compare dmg!

how about no, then lets give mesmers etc the dmg eles or warriors do.

not even sure if u r srs.

what are you even talking about?
write clearly
i was comparing classes

Nobody ever thinks about the tactic of “forcing a facestab”. A facestab does less damage than CnD and reveals the thief at the same time. You don’t need to change backstab at all. Just teaching players how to counter it is good enough.

for those who dunno how to counter backstab: count to 3 then dodge roll.

I’d vote a slight buff to Backstab, but that’s just my opinion. I know people will still moan about it being to powerful, but what about increasing the damage to the “facestab” portion of the skill as a compromise?

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

I’d vote a slight buff to Backstab, but that’s just my opinion. I know people will still moan about it being to powerful, but what about increasing the damage to the “facestab” portion of the skill as a compromise?

facestab could use a small buff

Has to do more with stat set imbalances and stat caps within sPvP than class skills and coefficients. Play a a dedicated stab build in WvW with build like mine and you’ll end fights before they even start due to the amount of damage dealt so quickly.

In sPvP with all of the funky stat translations, caps, and flawed gear mechanisms, Stab damage drops below 1/3 of what it is in WvW. PTV full tank D/D is mathematically better in almost every regard in sPvP over berserker/GC since gearing and traits mean almost nothing.