Guild Wars 2

I’ll post my screenshots after I log out but this is what’s going on. (Yes I have proof)

I don’t want to post the screenshot simply cause even though I can’t show the users name cause he is from WvW but his guild name shows.

He pretty much perma stealth, and downing people. Now before anyone says anything, we used traps and aoes and everything there is to do to stop the guy but you can’t target him. I even switched to my engineer and ran back to the area he camping. My turret tracks him in stealth but we can’t target the guy as he was killing people. He couldn’t (Finish) cause I’m sure he would of been beat down however we still there if you wanna look.

We pushed him and his buddy back to front of

Dragonbrand Spawn.

I got witnesses and everyone who is viewing if they got the screenshots to, they more then happy to show.

I’m JUST saying…Thiefs already got that rep where not many people like them, (Heck I got one and I dun even like it simply cause it’s easy tier..) But it’s people like this that’s really throwing them down some more. (brb with the screens later.gonna try and record it. Still in game)

Permastealth means he’s constantly hitting Cloak and Dagger and nothing more. If you can’t combat that with a huge group of people, I really don’t know what to say. He’s still there, you just can’t see him. Predictions and AoEs go a long way.

Also, if he didn’t actually finish anyone, what’s the problem? He’s being a nuisance, not a one man army.

He was downing ppl left and right >_> But he couldn’t finish anyone, cause we aoed our teammates who were downed.

Exactly. Downed =/= dead. He knocked some of your pals down, but could never finish the job. I still don’t see an issue here.

Perma stealth isnt an issue?

Thief seems like a superhero with invisibility power.

Bad kids will always be bads.

Exactly, the downing wasn’t the problem. the Perma stealthing was.

The time of the Perma-Stealth has come? Already?
I would suggest if you are smart to whine first for Backstab and then for Stealth.
This way you will get both nerfed….

ZLE.8293:

The time of the Perma-Stealth has come? Already?
I would suggest if you are smart to whine first for Backstab and then for Stealth.
This way you will get both nerfed….

Yes actually play a class that requires “effort” other then three keys then we will accept your input there buddy.

Dear @Shomaruki and Dear @Masternewbz…
You are BOTH mesmers.Don’t you ever again point a fingers to other class.EVER
Thank you.I go to work now.

ZLE.8293:

Dear @Shomaruki and Dear @Masternewbz…
You are BOTH mesmers.Don’t you ever again point a fingers to other class.EVER
Thank you.I go to work now.

While you at work if you get a lunch break find me a post where a mesmer can down people in 2-3 seconds before going back to stealth.

I also use an elementalist so yeah.

I can’t find you a “post ,where mesmer can down people in 2-3 seconds”,but then again
i am not claiming such thing,am i?Now… i am a thief and i know how thief works.Very well.Let me say some things:
1.I don’t go to WvW no more.AT all.My PC handles the WvW in a way,resulting in everyone being in perma-stealth.Also lot’s of people in WvW are poorly dressed and are generally low lvl and have little traits or none at all.Plus culling=here is pretty much the environment,from where you draw your conclusions.(i am not saying you are low level and/or undergeared,“just saying”.
2.The part,where he down’s a people in 2-3 seconds i believe.I play Spvp/Tpvp a lot.There the armors are balanced.I have been downed in 2-3 seconds a lot.Sometimes too often,when the guy is focused on me and is saving all CD’s for me.That’s when i know i am impressed somebody :P.That being said the truth is that a guy,capable of such damage(i assume he is glass cannon BS D/D) will always have :
14k hp ,
zero defense from conditions,
zero hp regeneration,
no endurance regeneration,
no stealth duration bonuses,
no initiative regeneration…
So the part,when you multiple people aoe-d him,and couldn’t get him,jeeeez,you must have been the worst bunch of players ever.No offense,but i play heavy stealth,and a guy who is knowing his character can put me out of stealth in no time,by knocking me out of Shadow Refuge,or beating the s**t of me while in stealth with common logic and good aoe placement.And i have 20k hp.So you telling me,that you couldn’t
get this guy means several things:either he is hacker(that i don’t believe),or he is extremely good(that i don’t know),or you are terrible(that i hope you are not),or he is good,and you are terrible,and he is indeed abusing culling(which is not stealth nor thief problem).Thank you.I have stayed w/o lunch in my break,just to try to post a reasonable respond.

I thought thieves could just do 2 2 2 2 … do you mean there are other buttons ?
That guy was definitely a cheater ’cause he had more than 1 key in his keyboard.

Have you guys try playing as a thief?
Well, this is just an example, I’ve had a hard time dealing with mesmers, their clones are the most annoying for me, so I start a mesmer to figure it out.
No offence, but I prefer to figure how things work before I say anything about it.

I’m looking forward to the video, I’d like to know how this guy play his thief..

@Fijea,when you figure it out,how to deal with Moa Morph,apart from running like hell,let me know with /pm.

Mesmers complaining about thiefs…..

Shomaruki.7395:

While you at work if you get a lunch break find me a post where a mesmer can down people in 2-3 seconds before going back to stealth.

Not really trying to stir the pot, but you did ask for an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HtG-9QkjbvI#t=235s

Albeit, the player did not stealth upon downing the player, though he did do so before initiating to gain a surprise advantage.

Permastealth is also only really possible because of the rendering issues. Blame that, because it’s nothing to do with the Thieves themselves.

There is no perma stealth skill on thieves.

First post, I came here to check if there was a new exploit out after coming across a thief today. I’m a level 80 warrior with full exotics, thieves generally beat me but it’s close, I can deal with that. Today I was with two guildies on their 80 exotic’d thieves.

We came across a thief could easily 1v5, I think he even 1v7 at one point and was downing people as well. The only time he wasnt stealthed he was spinning (unsure the name of ability).

I asked my thieves what was up with that, and they both said what he was doing was not something thieves can do. That cloak and dagger is meant to have a cool down.

It just seemed like an exploit and I’d hate to see legit thieves get nerfed over people doing this.

I looked at my combat logs, and he never it me for more than 2k a hit and there was no backstabs.

Seren.6850:

First post, I came here to check if there was a new exploit out after coming across a thief today. I’m a level 80 warrior with full exotics, thieves generally beat me but it’s close, I can deal with that. Today I was with two guildies on their 80 exotic’d thieves.

We came across a thief could easily 1v5, I think he even 1v7 at one point and was downing people as well. The only time he wasnt stealthed he was spinning (unsure the name of ability).

I asked my thieves what was up with that, and they both said what he was doing was not something thieves can do. That cloak and dagger is meant to have a cool down.

It just seemed like an exploit and I’d hate to see legit thieves get nerfed over people doing this.

I looked at my combat logs, and he never it me for more than 2k a hit and there was no backstabs.

Sorry to say but your Thief friends don’t know their own profession.

So does that mean this perma stealth is not an exploit?

What is this perma stealth nonsense? After attacking from the Stealth condition there is an additional condition called “Revelaed” which lasts a couple of seconds that doesn’t allow you to go immediately again into Stealth.
If people are permanently stealthed then it’s a rendering issue or an hacker/exploiter.

thats what I was told, so how was this guy stealthed & invun for an entire 30 second battle. Does anyone have a link to the build you guys think he was using.

I have wvw a lot, and am on a tier3 server I’ve fought hundreds of thieves only seen this happen today. It wasn’t culling or rendering I’m quite experienced with that.

Hermes.7014:

What is this perma stealth nonsense? After attacking from the Stealth condition there is an additional condition called “Revelaed” which lasts a couple of seconds that doesn’t allow you to go immediately again into Stealth.
If people are permanently stealthed then it’s a rendering issue or an hacker/exploiter.

^And this is what we were trying to GET at. This isn’t a NERF or QQ thread. And kitten from few post up top ago wasn’t helping. What I was saying along with few others who were with me at the moment was, we was fighting a thief. Who literally was just sliding through everyone invisible hitting them.

How many people honest in all there history in guild wars 2 could say they are able to fight 1v8 and walk out of it solo?. Not that he managed to kill out of us we managed to revive people before he could land any killing blows but the point I and few others were trying to make was he is perma stealthing then what really is the point of back stabs and any other skill a thief can use if all he has to do is remain in stealth and poke you all day.

Seren.6850:

thats what I was told, so how was this guy stealthed & invun for an entire 30 second battle. Does anyone have a link to the build you guys think he was using.

I have wvw a lot, and am on a tier3 server I’ve fought hundreds of thieves only seen this happen today. It wasn’t culling or rendering I’m quite experienced with that.

I’ve taken like 20 screen shots I’m trying to sort through the ones where you can see us take the damage, Problem is the SS don’t show anything but us firing at the wind trying to hit the guy that isn’t there.

If 1 thief is fighting 8 of you guys by himself and DOWNING people without being a corpse, it’s quite possible you have no idea how thieves work.

If he’s “permastealthed”, he’s using Cloak and dagger, which isn’t exactly the optimal way to gib people in a group of 8. Hell, if even 2 people aoed properly, the thief would be downed. Sounds more like people were just spamming at nothing and acting surprised when the thief is still alive.

there is the possibility of permastealth attack. I wrote it on this forum some weeks ago but no one cared about it.
basically you hit once every 3 seconds timing c&d cast time with stealth’s fade.
this technique keeps the thief hidden and deal 2-3k every 3seconds… not really usefull but possible.

And that’s why I sat myself between a net turret and my rifle while the aoes. I mean we killed him a few times, we camped just at the first tower outside their spawn.

I wasn’t mad about it, it actually was funny. Like playing who could down him the first or was going to be the first to actually die to him. Like i said, turrets track people in invis they just don’t fire at them. All I said to do was see which direction my turret was facing and I just randomly start firing in that direction.

Shomaruki.7395:

[cut]Like i said, turrets track people in invis[cut]

and that must be fixed.

I wasn’t complaining about thieves, just wondering about an exploit. I’ll go back to farming badges off you guys, see you on the field.

It’s a rendering issue. If you are suddenly getting hit with crits and you can’t see anyone. Spam AOE’s like crazy, thief dies… you laugh dot him up and watch him slowly bleed to death after he renders.

So people playing the strongest class in the game right now, complain about a mediocre -weak pubstomper class, calling it OP.

Interesting…

(The rendering issue should be known, that not all people are displayed in a crowded area in WvW should be known too, and neither is a Thief exclusive issue)

This sounds more like an exploit than anything, unless its the rendering issue. If he was “perma-stealthed” then there was no way he was downing people left and right unless he hacked. I’m calling cheats on this one.

Zunhar.4079:

I’m calling cheats on this one.

Rightfully so, after all the prove we have seen… oh wait.

The Thief hating slowly reminds of christianity, ah dang, i meant insanity.
Don’t believe every crap some people claim to be true.

Btw, last night a Elementalist onehittet my Guardian. I think their damage should be toned down across the board.
After all the facts given to you, who is with me?

Zunhar.4079:

This sounds more like an exploit than anything, unless its the rendering issue. If he was “perma-stealthed” then there was no way he was downing people left and right unless he hacked. I’m calling cheats on this one.

No, people are just bad and obviously don’t know profession mechanics. If he was only using C&D and not anything else then yea it’s pretty laughable that he downed anyone, but if they are fighting a camp boss and he just assists the huge hammer dude then maybe..

I’ve done this myself but I just take the beating every 3 seconds to use pistol opener. C&D with all stealth utilities on a bunker build. If no one has any lock-downs slotted you can do this all day with vs bunch of under-leveled, under-geared and/or bads.

The problem is people don’t think they are under-leveled under-geared or bad. Ever.

Daecollo.9578:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Guide-7-Ways-to-to-kill-a-Thief-Warning-Long/first#post498726

This guide should help you against thieves.

That’s twice you posted that in my topic. Stop.

I never said we never couldn’t kill the guy in the end, I was just stating the fact the guy was no where to be seen.

I just wanted to know if it was an exploit or render issue.
Wasn’t an OP topic, wasn’t an nerf topic, wasn’t a topic about how to kill, wasn’t a topic on “Well my elemental does more damage” It was just about someone that wasn’t able to be seen able to down people without being seen.

Personally I don’t care about anyone playing a thief cause push come to kill, All I do is create a barrage of clones and Press F4 and the next couple of spams do no damage to me and gets part of it reflected back on them.

So a class that can exploit for permanent invisibility is calling Mesmer OP? Got to love the internet.

I don’t understand why so many Good players want to play stupid ! The programs are all over the net and it had nothing to do with being a thief. He just happens to be the class easy used with one . So stop telling players they can’t play and open your eyes face what’s going on a few bad eggs spoils the bunch. Won’t you rather get credit for playing thief well then being lump in with a bunch players and their gank kills . It takes know longer than 1 minute google it and its all laid out for you step by step .There a 100% chance after seeing it can then ever tell other play its all in their heads and that you’re a bad player or players . Unless you are the one trying to hide something ?

We had a thief that was perma-stealth abusing at the back of our zerg for about an hour and a half today while we tried to seige an orb. He was able to down / kill anyone who was low and headed to the back of the zerg to heal. The fact of the matter is that with 10 people we couldnt kill him. It was impossible to target him for the most part due to culling, but even if you hit him with a stun, a snare or a pull he would stealth as soon as the hit lands and dissapear. We tried hitting him with traps and I was on my thief so I even stacked Death Blossom on the spot where he was stealthed, but he was able to avoid damage and heal fast enough that nobody could actually kill him.

But it’s a problem with culling mostly. If culling wasn’t an issue we could have gotten him right away.

Seren.6850:

First post, I came here to check if there was a new exploit out after coming across a thief today. I’m a level 80 warrior with full exotics, thieves generally beat me but it’s close, I can deal with that. Today I was with two guildies on their 80 exotic’d thieves.

We came across a thief could easily 1v5, I think he even 1v7 at one point and was downing people as well. The only time he wasnt stealthed he was spinning (unsure the name of ability).

I asked my thieves what was up with that, and they both said what he was doing was not something thieves can do. That cloak and dagger is meant to have a cool down.

It just seemed like an exploit and I’d hate to see legit thieves get nerfed over people doing this.

I looked at my combat logs, and he never it me for more than 2k a hit and there was no backstabs.

When u looked at ur combat log,did u happen to notice what skill he used for those 2K hits?? u say its not backstab, and i guess he was just fooling around with C&D…
You want a build that perma stealths with no culling? and that makes u almost invulnerable? Ill give you one rigth now, and plz show it to ur thief buddies (read baddies)
Build as follows:
get a good equipment, like with 19/20K health,it can be watever with some power in it, 2k from C&D its actually a low power build, so u can run with watever as long as u have those 20K HP and some extra tufness;
proceed to invest 30 points in shadow arts (u can make do with 20, i run 30 for shadow rejuv for “invulnerability”, heals for 350 points every second ur stealthed,and ure stealthed a lot, actually. ur perma stealthed), get infusion of shadow and shadow embrace, this will make u spend only 4 initiative in C&D and get u rid of conditions, adding to that invuln; with this, u just added to ur tufness and heal power,making u quite tanky, ull get 2 initiative every time u use a stealth ability, meaning no problems with intiative regen;
Invest 20 points in acrobatics, get descent in shadows,u take half damage from falling (a must have in www) and will give u 2 ini every time u fall,alongside with healing and condition removing, this makes u impossible to catch if you use falling to ur advantadge, i know that i do it a lot; get vig recovery and use withdrawal as healing skill, this gets u 75% uptime on vigor, coupled with feline grace and swift on dodge,more tankyness,almost perma dodge and 65/70% uptime on swiftness, making you able to dodge and move fast while in the shadow, and anytime u hit someone with cloak, dodge imediatelly, rendering those aoe’s useless,coz ur already far from the hit location;
use 15 in tricks, for preparedness, ull get a 15 ini pool,and while ur at it, get trill of crime, adding to ur swiftness, this way ull have 90% uptime on swiftness, this boon is granted when u steal, u dont need to hit to get it,unlike bountiful theft;
Usage:
hit target with C&D,and only C&D, ur stealth lasts 4 secs, and if u time it right, activating C&D a fraction of a sec before stealth wears off, ull get stealthed again, ull recover 2 initiative from infusion, and 4 secs of stealth gives u back 3 initiative, dumping down the cost of C&D to ONE INITIATIVE (plz tell this to ur useless thief buddies-baddies); use utility blinding powder(not needed, but still), to have an extra source of stealth that costs no ini, recovers 2 ini, and does not require a hit;
following this procedure, ull remove 2 conditions for every C&D, ull heal for ~1500 health for each C&D, and ure able to stay in stealth 4 secs for each point of initiative (wich is ONE minute, but since steal can give u 3 initiative and blinding powder gives another 2, ull also have perma initiative);
use terrain to ur advantadge, remenber that falling recovers even more initiative, cures even more conditions, makes u heal even more; get a stunbreakeror even 2, i like roll for initiative, breaks stun, immo, cripple,essential,and also more initiative;
If u feel that this kind of trolling the zerg is not satisfactory, bet full set of runes of speed, it makes u run 40% faster,instead of 33% faster from swiftness, and makes u perma swift.
Enjoy going upto the zerg and make a foll of those badie mesmers out there!!

Oh, i forgot to say: this is what i do, well, the majority of it, i dont follow all those rules,but still….

[quote=495745;Shomaruki.7395:]

the only thing I remember from the combat log was Slash that hit for about 2k, I have very high toughness and 3 invunerabilities, I’m no easy target for a thief. Seeing people mention this permastealth thief now in my servers wvw thread saying he held off a small zerg.

It’s a bug, not an exploit. The thief has no control over the rendering issue. The only way the thief could prevent it is to not use stealth at all, and that would be stupid.

Actual perma stealth (not the rendering issue when there are tons of people around) is not an exploit or a bug.

You only get the revealed debuff if you attack while stealthed, if you let the stealth wear off naturally you don’t get the debuff. So if you trait correctly Cloak and Dagger CAN have 100% stealth uptime. But you are only attacking once every 4 seconds with it.