Guild Wars 2

5point trait for bleed on crit
10point trait for 1% dmg per a boon
10point trait for 25% move speed
15point trait for 5second weapon swap
10point trait for 1second immobilize on cripple
20point trait for 1 stack of might per a crit
30point traits for 15% crit or 15% dmg

They also got Healing Signet, 100 blades which seems to rival Pistol Whip with not much longer CD, perm fury, plenty of traits for crit chance and weapon dmg, stability, gosh the list goes on…

Yet thief’s are OP and need constant nerfs. Just me or are Warriors Anets love child. I’d kill for traits like these on my thief.

My warrior is undergeared and still does more damage than my thief who has a constant 2300 power and equal crit damage.

My warrior also has 3k more HP than my thief however my thief is in full valk with full wurm runes while my warrior is in pure berzerker gear and 30 in tactics.

Just want everyone to know.

I was going to respond in a wave of sarcasm and put up some similar comparisons on “oh, I wish my warrior would have stealth” etc. But than I realized your post makes no sense.

- you are trying to take warrior traits and put them on a different class 0/10
- 100b is a channeled abillity that stops your movement and requires your enemy to be rooted, go and use this in WvW, tell me how you fared.
- warrior is gettting nerfed on december 10 both hammer and longbow, pls promise you arent going to lvl up til 80 than come to warrior forum and re-roll guardian because they are “op”
- no they do not have perma-fury

cmud.5689:

-you are trying to take warrior traits and put them on a different class 0/10

I didnt say that, i just said i wished we had traits like these, nowhere did i comment on how it would balance in the game or say we should have them.

- 100b is a channeled abillity that stops your movement and requires your enemy to be rooted, go and use this in WvW, tell me how you fared.

How is that different to Pistol Whip?? You cant move during its animation, although it is quicker but the over all dmg seemed less.

- warrior is gettting nerfed on december 10 both hammer and longbow, pls promise you arent going to lvl up til 80 than come to warrior forum and re-roll guardian because they are “op”

I didnt even look into either of those builds. This was a gsword build and they only received more buffs

- no they do not have perma-fury

Arcing Slice? 10second cooldown with 15second fury time, i only played Warrior for a short period of time but i didnt have much problem with keeping adrenaline up.
Alternatively you can add 20 points into Opportunist and 10 points in tactics for Leg Specialist for 10second fury. Most warrior weapons have cripple effects.

At least you guys still have kittenloads of viable builds. I just looked that the discussion and you guys are getting trait buffs all around with a 20% damage reduction on 1 weapon set. Most of your traits are amazing already.

I don’t know why you guys are complaining.

EDIT: Like seriously, try playing with overall damage nerfed by 25% with every trait you own not increasing anything more than 5%. THEN you can start complaining.

cmud.5689:

- no they do not have perma-fury

Signet of Rage and For Great Justice is quite common – and is permanent.

I saw one if the best spvp thiefs playing warrior the other day was surprised.
But thiefs get hit one way or another each latch, I’m out if this game until they actually do fair balances. Enjoy the condi spam meta

Peow peow.2189:

I saw one if the best spvp thiefs playing warrior the other day was surprised.
But thiefs get hit one way or another each latch, I’m out if this game until they actually do fair balances. Enjoy the condi spam meta

Sad but true. I’m waiting for my eso beta invite then it’s another 30gigs free on my ssd.

I have full ascended (except armor ofc) warrior with 1k hours, he is so boring.

Neoheart.2750:

Peow peow.2189:

I saw one if the best spvp thiefs playing warrior the other day was surprised.
But thiefs get hit one way or another each latch, I’m out if this game until they actually do fair balances. Enjoy the condi spam meta

Sad but true. I’m waiting for my eso beta invite then it’s another 30gigs free on my ssd.

i can’t really say anything because of certain circumstances other than….you’ll be as disappointed in elder scrolls as you were with gw2

wildstar on the other hand is lookin pretty legit

I also have a warrior I took to level 80 along with one of every other class outside engineer. The warrior is easy. Likely the easiest to take to 80 of all mine outside the ranger.

In WvW i really do NOT have to do a lot to keep him alive and dishing out the damage. It pretty well automatic. You have massive condition removals. great damage, weapon swaps that bring a whole set of new abilities and tons of healing along with that armor and all those hit points. I really do not see a downside.

The thief, contrary to what some suggest is way harder to play well and still survive.

That all said I play my thief 80 percent of the time in WvW. It is just more fun even if he does die so quickly when a mistake made. He is not a perma-stealth thief. He more the dodge type but it just fun.

In every rpg and similar game the thief has always been my first choice and my concern is they strip away all that makes that class so fun.

cmud.5689:

I was going to respond in a wave of sarcasm and put up some similar comparisons on “oh, I wish my warrior would have stealth” etc. But than I realized your post makes no sense.

- you are trying to take warrior traits and put them on a different class 0/10
- 100b is a channeled abillity that stops your movement and requires your enemy to be rooted, go and use this in WvW, tell me how you fared.
- warrior is gettting nerfed on december 10 both hammer and longbow, pls promise you arent going to lvl up til 80 than come to warrior forum and re-roll guardian because they are “op”
- no they do not have perma-fury

Running FGJ, Signet of Fury and axe offhand it’s entirely possible to maintain perma-fury in combat with 0 boon duration.

Jordo.5913:

Neoheart.2750:

Peow peow.2189:

I saw one if the best spvp thiefs playing warrior the other day was surprised.
But thiefs get hit one way or another each latch, I’m out if this game until they actually do fair balances. Enjoy the condi spam meta

Sad but true. I’m waiting for my eso beta invite then it’s another 30gigs free on my ssd.

i can’t really say anything because of certain circumstances other than….you’ll be as disappointed in elder scrolls as you were with gw2

wildstar on the other hand is lookin pretty legit

Yeah im not really feeling eso, I didnt check out much on wildstar though.

Invizible.2960:

Jordo.5913:

Neoheart.2750:

Peow peow.2189:

I saw one if the best spvp thiefs playing warrior the other day was surprised.
But thiefs get hit one way or another each latch, I’m out if this game until they actually do fair balances. Enjoy the condi spam meta

Sad but true. I’m waiting for my eso beta invite then it’s another 30gigs free on my ssd.

i can’t really say anything because of certain circumstances other than….you’ll be as disappointed in elder scrolls as you were with gw2

wildstar on the other hand is lookin pretty legit

Yeah im not really feeling eso, I didnt check out much on wildstar though.

Yeah ive heard a bit about wildstar but after jordo posted I checked out some videos. Has a similar telegraph system that’s in place in gw2 but also has the trinity of tanks,healer,dps etc.

I did notice one of the classes (maybe race not sure) had dual claws and was using a stealth into high damage ability so there is a rogue class.

One thing ive learned from playing thief in gw2 is simply not to “main” a class for quite some time in order to feel out these “balance” patches that modern mmo developers love. Wildstar or eso which ever I end up playing im gonna be paranoid lol.

Invizible.2960:

Jordo.5913:

Neoheart.2750:

Peow peow.2189:

I saw one if the best spvp thiefs playing warrior the other day was surprised.
But thiefs get hit one way or another each latch, I’m out if this game until they actually do fair balances. Enjoy the condi spam meta

Sad but true. I’m waiting for my eso beta invite then it’s another 30gigs free on my ssd.

i can’t really say anything because of certain circumstances other than….you’ll be as disappointed in elder scrolls as you were with gw2

wildstar on the other hand is lookin pretty legit

Yeah im not really feeling eso, I didnt check out much on wildstar though.

After viewing some of the beta gameplay footage, it would seem that the elder scrolls world that was so amazing in the other games has just become another standard mmorpg game with slightly better lore. I’ll still give it a shot when its released but I’m not expecting to not be disappointed.

Camelot Unchained on the other hand has caught my attention however I’m not planning on leaving GW2 until Anet officially deletes the thief class.

You can compare fast hands to opportunist.

Both allow you to use skills faster.

Warrior gives adrenaline on swap and set of new weapon skills to use every 5s for 15pt minor.

Thief gives more init every 1s if you land a crit 20% of the time.

Anet reasoning is that it pigeon holds you into taking this trait because it’s so powerful, so it needs a nerf .

Why not nerf warrior fast hands also ? It’s a mist have for any warr build that’s not condi based, same as thief trait.

Yet thief, gets nerfed and warr barely touched.

Zacchary.6183:

My warrior is undergeared and still does more damage than my thief who has a constant 2300 power and equal crit damage.

My warrior also has 3k more HP than my thief however my thief is in full valk with full wurm runes while my warrior is in pure berzerker gear and 30 in tactics.

Just want everyone to know.

this is pretty good, full valk + wurm runes? this tells me your also running a suboptimal build and you wonder why your warrior outdamages your thief… try running a proper build with full berserkers + scholar runes and youll easily double a max buffed warriors damage

Clumsy.6257:

Zacchary.6183:

My warrior is undergeared and still does more damage than my thief who has a constant 2300 power and equal crit damage.

My warrior also has 3k more HP than my thief however my thief is in full valk with full wurm runes while my warrior is in pure berzerker gear and 30 in tactics.

Just want everyone to know.

this is pretty good, full valk + wurm runes? this tells me your also running a suboptimal build and you wonder why your warrior outdamages your thief… try running a proper build with full berserkers + scholar runes and youll easily double a max buffed warriors damage

He could be talking about wvw though. Full zerker thieves are the ones standing around LA waiting for fractal pugs. Seriously tho it might be the ‘optimal’ armor stats for pve but for web not so much.

Its one of my favorite things to do ingame…putting a backstab into another thief to find he’s full zerker. Watching it kitten itself as the Hunter becomes the hunted, live it.

P.s my favorite is doing the same to a staff ele in zerker. /Laugh

hello, i am a thief and recently tried a warrior for 30 min
in wvw with uplvl 34 warrior i took 2 thieves (sure they were bad) and i felt so sry that i had to stop. also the warrior is bit boring and fast curv learning.
nevertheless you should try the op signet warrior with 800-1000 hp regen per second which does 1k-2k dmg per seconds with 3800 armor and also daze and stun every 8 seconds and you’ll see why thieves dont get much love

got back to my thief even if he need some more anet love

Neoheart.2750:

Sad but true. I’m waiting for my eso beta invite then it’s another 30gigs free on my ssd.

You are going to be disappointed.

Poxheart.2845:

Neoheart.2750:

Sad but true. I’m waiting for my eso beta invite then it’s another 30gigs free on my ssd.

You are going to be disappointed.

Lol yea people keep telling me that. Are u nda’d or been playing in the beta? What’s that bad about it?

I made a beta application a while bk so hopefully get an invite at some point.

The problem is that Anet listen to the wrong players (bad player than only kill mobs with #1).

The thief only excel killing bad players with no clue on thieves mechanics.

I have never seen a good player complaining about thieves, only bad players does.

And because of that is the current meta where thief is not good for anything but roaming and scaping.

Warriors? good AT EVERYTHING . . . why? because Anet listen to the wrong players (most of them play warrior because is the most easy prof).

- The best for dungeons
- The best for SPVP
- The best for for WvW (summary)

SoLeciTO.3490:

The problem is that Anet listen to the wrong players (bad player than only kill mobs with #1).

The thief only excel killing bad players with no clue on thieves mechanics.

I have never seen a good player complaining about thieves, only bad players does.

And because of that is the current meta where thief is not good for anything but roaming and scaping.

Warriors? good AT EVERYTHING . . . why? because Anet listen to the wrong players (most of them play warrior because is the most easy prof).

- The best for dungeons
- The best for SPVP
- The best for for WvW (summary)

That’s your opinion. They listen to all of us, examine the data and make informed decisions. I know two anet employees who play thieves. They agree with the upcoming changes, but they have more information than you do.

Sanduskel always you with attacking people. . . . -.-

Of course is my opinion . . . i’am writing it.

Devs do read all opinions but they take a loot of bad decisions, because they are learning how to make a better game.

The problem IMO <——— is that they care too much for the people that have not learn how to play the game correctly.

And honestly we don’t care who is your friend or what 2 dev things about current meta.

What we all care is to have a good game (Esport if possible) to play with not cheesy metas and Anet has not provide that in 1 year.

Sure, offer your opinion. However claiming that they only listen to “bad players” isn’t true, provable or helpful.

The best thing that could happen to thief is the massive “perma-stealth” nerf, now that there will be no “thief high stealth time is OP” excuse, we can actually look into making more unique builds and even get new defense mechanism in the future.

Clumsy.6257:

Zacchary.6183:

My warrior is undergeared and still does more damage than my thief who has a constant 2300 power and equal crit damage.

My warrior also has 3k more HP than my thief however my thief is in full valk with full wurm runes while my warrior is in pure berzerker gear and 30 in tactics.

Just want everyone to know.

this is pretty good, full valk + wurm runes? this tells me your also running a suboptimal build and you wonder why your warrior outdamages your thief… try running a proper build with full berserkers + scholar runes and youll easily double a max buffed warriors damage

Maybe in a couple seconds but not much longer. But then I would have to sacrifice cleave, about half of my hp and the mindlessness of s/x in order to outdps something that isn’t putting much effort to achieve the same effect. Why should I bother with my thief when warriors are the clear winner in this game of numbers?

Zacchary.6183:

Clumsy.6257:

Zacchary.6183:

My warrior is undergeared and still does more damage than my thief who has a constant 2300 power and equal crit damage.

My warrior also has 3k more HP than my thief however my thief is in full valk with full wurm runes while my warrior is in pure berzerker gear and 30 in tactics.

Just want everyone to know.

this is pretty good, full valk + wurm runes? this tells me your also running a suboptimal build and you wonder why your warrior outdamages your thief… try running a proper build with full berserkers + scholar runes and youll easily double a max buffed warriors damage

Maybe in a couple seconds but not much longer. But then I would have to sacrifice cleave, about half of my hp and the mindlessness of s/x in order to outdps something that isn’t putting much effort to achieve the same effect. Why should I bother with my thief when warriors are the clear winner in this game of numbers?

you get what you put in, more effort = more damage, and sacrifice cleave? how so? sword has cleave and it outdamages warriors axe/x, and if you even know the basics of speed runs you’d know warriors are closer to the bottom of the dps chart than they are to the top

I will take your word for that seeing as how I hate speed runs and speed runners with a passion. However, from what I have seen on both of my toons, sword auto has critted up to 8k (most powerful of the set) although that doesn’t happen all of the time while my warrior has managed to crit up to 10k with Kill shot and 8k with eviscerate with other skills hitting up to 6k.

Now I can chain these in rapid succession and still keep a high amount of adrenaline so it’ll be difficult for me to really accept that.

Zacchary.6183:

I will take your word for that seeing as how I hate speed runs and speed runners with a passion. However, from what I have seen on both of my toons, sword auto has critted up to 8k (most powerful of the set) although that doesn’t happen all of the time while my warrior has managed to crit up to 10k with Kill shot and 8k with eviscerate with other skills hitting up to 6k.

Now I can chain these in rapid succession and still keep a high amount of adrenaline so it’ll be difficult for me to really accept that.

im just going to go ahead and assume your running full soldiers by those numbers, and thief sword AA with average amount of might/vuln is around 8/8/13k, probably closer to 10/10/16k

Clumsy.6257:

word has cleave and it outdamages warriors axe/x, and if you even know the basics of speed runs you’d know warriors are closer to the bottom of the dps chart than they are to the top

Pretty sure warrior dps, atleast greatsword dps is better then Thief. So what are you implying about thieves dps?

Clumsy.6257:

im just going to go ahead and assume your running full soldiers by those numbers, and thief sword AA with average amount of might/vuln is around 8/8/13k, probably closer to 10/10/16k

Please tell me where your getting those numbers from. My Pistol Whip let alone AA on my thief rarely hits 16k in zergs. Am i missing some sort of super buff that doubles my dmg? This is in full serkers btw.

I build both my warrior and my thief as vulnerability builds. Without a doubt, warriors deals a lot more damage on stationary targets. But when the target is mobile, warrior sucks while Thieves has a lot of ways to get closer to the target and maintain DPS.

Having the ability to get to melee range while immobilized allows Thieves to out DPS Warriors against mobile targets.

Solely based on my observations, feel free to disagree.

my AA sword never hit 10/10/16k where and how u manage to do so. usually it does 2/2/4k when crit with 3200 power and 50% crit chance and 70% crit dmg.
were you hitting uplvl?

also like Vincet said warrior can do more dmg sometime but their Sdps is lower than the thief but they have better defenses like stunbreak and armor as they suppose to take the hit while thief meant to dodge/evade/stealth the dmg or they die

MyCondolences.8172:

Clumsy.6257:

im just going to go ahead and assume your running full soldiers by those numbers, and thief sword AA with average amount of might/vuln is around 8/8/13k, probably closer to 10/10/16k

Please tell me where your getting those numbers from. My Pistol Whip let alone AA on my thief rarely hits 16k in zergs. Am i missing some sort of super buff that doubles my dmg? This is in full serkers btw.

in case you didnt notice we were talking about pve with full pve buffs that arent achievable in a zerg environment or are at least incredibly rare in a zerg environment

messiah.1908:

my AA sword never hit 10/10/16k where and how u manage to do so. usually it does 2/2/4k when crit with 3200 power and 50% crit chance and 70% crit dmg.
were you hitting uplvl?

also like Vincet said warrior can do more dmg sometime but their Sdps is lower than the thief but they have better defenses like stunbreak and armor as they suppose to take the hit while thief meant to dodge/evade/stealth the dmg or they die

You dont have 3200 power, you have 3200 attack which has no effect on your damage. And you mentioned your problem in your question, 50% crit chance is terrible, there is no excuse for not having 100%. And 70% crit damage? You should have a minimum of 100% + base 50%. Honestly, that probably isn’t even the max, I’m not taking advantage of slaying potions or slaying sigils with those numbers.

edit: how did you even achieve 2/2/4? i was just mapping on my newest thief in blazeridge steppes and im hitting higher than that downscaled to level 51

Clumsy.6257:

]in case you didnt notice we were talking about pve with full pve buffs that arent achievable in a zerg environment or are at least incredibly rare in a zerg environment

I was talking about a PvE Zerg eg. champ. Highest dmg i’ve seen pistol whip hit was probably for around 18k.

I suppose your using 25 Power stacks, Sigils of slaying, potions and food/oils to achieve this kind of dmg?

MyCondolences.8172:

Clumsy.6257:

]in case you didnt notice we were talking about pve with full pve buffs that arent achievable in a zerg environment or are at least incredibly rare in a zerg environment

I was talking about a PvE Zerg eg. champ. Highest dmg i’ve seen pistol whip hit was probably for around 18k.

I suppose your using 25 Power stacks, Sigils of slaying, potions and food/oils to achieve this kind of dmg?

i said max (or close to max) buffs which insinuates all of this + warrior banners, might/vuln

I didn’t figure might into the equation because neither uses it. Without might and vulnerability, those numbers are the numbers I observed while playing my thief and warrior. And yes, I am using all valk on my thief.

thieves gonna be a joke and keep getting nerfed as long as game is balanced around major QQ

i can make exactly same post about my necro….while she doesn’t have the moblity my thief has her survival, dmg, utility and CCs are absurd and easy compared to thief

i didn’t play every class in this game yet i can only speak for necro, war and thief but atm no matter how they color it, you have to play like god on thief to archive same result as playing war or necro that are mashing face on keyboard

while i don’t want the class to be completely faceroll, the question is what will happen if 2 players of same skill (1 playing war and 1 playing thief) would fight each other? the answer is too obvious and yet they keep nerfing what thieves rely on and buffing (in wrong way) something completely useless like hard to catch

i might be wrong but i have a feeling they see it in the box like: oh hey how do other classes deal with thieves? ok let’s nerf this and that because dodge is OP, stealth is OP yada yada…..yet they didn’t even bother to look from other perspective: HOW DOES THIEF DEAL WITH OTHER CLASSES? yep, he dies in most cases

the nerf in patch notes are all fine in good…but there is no real buff to make up for that
worse, they are actually buffing PU memsers….why??

maybe i am bad player, maybe i am just not good enough on thief and maybe all my statements are wrong, but i watched high rated thieves and they die to completely stupid mechanics from other classes all the time

Cynz.9437:

i can make exactly same post about my necro….while she doesn’t have the moblity my thief has her survival, dmg, utility and CCs are absurd and easy compared to thief

You are absolutely correct. Both the Necromancer and Mesmer are beyond ridiculous in terms of damage, survivability, utilities and crowd control – while being extremely easy to play effectively. The problem, in my opinion, isn’t so much that the Thief is being nerfed in all kinds of regards of defense, if we still had some kind of damage to make up for it. However, everyone is a tank of some sort usually paired with ridiculous condition damage (It’s one stat…) that can effectively kill a thief with 1 burning should it not be removed, while being able to soak up entire bursts by pressing one button and going invulnerable. And they can spam that.

@Clumsy – you were talking pve oh… i talked in wvw when you almost cannot take full zerk and 50% base crit chance and 70%-85% with buff and traits and attack almost 3500 in average but against 3k armor average (meta condition has high armor in wvw) havent seen those numbers
in pve its different story

Wish thieves had more viable builds than always going 30 points in Crit and get Executioner

Clumsy.6257:

you get what you put in, more effort = more damage, and sacrifice cleave? how so? sword has cleave and it outdamages warriors axe/x, and if you even know the basics of speed runs you’d know warriors are closer to the bottom of the dps chart than they are to the top

Because “LFM 4 zerker warrs and mesmer CoF p1 speedrun”, NEVER HAPPENED…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VyKMqON-Po
kitten… wait… it did.

:D personally, I rolled a guard, even up-leveled (from 37 to 80, blue/green armor around lvl 35) in WvW, he feels (maybe a psychological thing) as durable if not a bit more durable then an 80 thief in soldier/knight armor (exotic). Eh… give up on thieves… enjoy guards and warriors.

Zero Day.2594:

Clumsy.6257:

you get what you put in, more effort = more damage, and sacrifice cleave? how so? sword has cleave and it outdamages warriors axe/x, and if you even know the basics of speed runs you’d know warriors are closer to the bottom of the dps chart than they are to the top

Because “LFM 4 zerker warrs and mesmer CoF p1 speedrun”, NEVER HAPPENED…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VyKMqON-Po
kitten… wait… it did.

:D personally, I rolled a guard, even up-leveled (from 37 to 80, blue/green armor around lvl 35) in WvW, he feels (maybe a psychological thing) as durable if not a bit more durable then an 80 thief in soldier/knight armor (exotic). Eh… give up on thieves… enjoy guards and warriors.

early on in the game warriors were typically the highest dps, not because they actually had the highest but because people hadn’t figured out the best way to play other classes, and if you go back and look the fastest cof p1 speed runs typically only had 2 wars in them

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQ-39_C8LI this was and still is one of the fastest ever recorded, notice the party only has 1 war but 2 thieves
edit2: that was recorded before the insane damage of fgs was “discovered”, it may not be that fast once you start stacking eles

Clumsy.6257:

Zero Day.2594:

Clumsy.6257:

you get what you put in, more effort = more damage, and sacrifice cleave? how so? sword has cleave and it outdamages warriors axe/x, and if you even know the basics of speed runs you’d know warriors are closer to the bottom of the dps chart than they are to the top

Because “LFM 4 zerker warrs and mesmer CoF p1 speedrun”, NEVER HAPPENED…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VyKMqON-Po
kitten… wait… it did.

:D personally, I rolled a guard, even up-leveled (from 37 to 80, blue/green armor around lvl 35) in WvW, he feels (maybe a psychological thing) as durable if not a bit more durable then an 80 thief in soldier/knight armor (exotic). Eh… give up on thieves… enjoy guards and warriors.

early on in the game warriors were typically the highest dps, not because they actually had the highest but because people hadn’t figured out the best way to play other classes, and if you go back and look the fastest cof p1 speed runs typically only had 2 wars in them

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQ-39_C8LI this was and still is one of the fastest ever recorded, notice the party only has 1 war but 2 thieves
edit2: that was recorded before the insane damage of fgs was “discovered”, it may not be that fast once you start stacking eles

Right, and the vast “majority” (god i already see this word being picked on) ran with 4 warriors and a mesmer. Why? It was fast, and it was easy to achieve that good (fast) speed. It’s back to skill:reward trade off…
Also, how’s your video showing that warriors are “bottom of the dps chart”, if anything it’s supporting it… look both groups had at least 2 warriors.

Zero Day.2594:

Clumsy.6257:

Zero Day.2594:

Clumsy.6257:

you get what you put in, more effort = more damage, and sacrifice cleave? how so? sword has cleave and it outdamages warriors axe/x, and if you even know the basics of speed runs you’d know warriors are closer to the bottom of the dps chart than they are to the top

Because “LFM 4 zerker warrs and mesmer CoF p1 speedrun”, NEVER HAPPENED…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VyKMqON-Po
kitten… wait… it did.

:D personally, I rolled a guard, even up-leveled (from 37 to 80, blue/green armor around lvl 35) in WvW, he feels (maybe a psychological thing) as durable if not a bit more durable then an 80 thief in soldier/knight armor (exotic). Eh… give up on thieves… enjoy guards and warriors.

early on in the game warriors were typically the highest dps, not because they actually had the highest but because people hadn’t figured out the best way to play other classes, and if you go back and look the fastest cof p1 speed runs typically only had 2 wars in them

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQ-39_C8LI this was and still is one of the fastest ever recorded, notice the party only has 1 war but 2 thieves
edit2: that was recorded before the insane damage of fgs was “discovered”, it may not be that fast once you start stacking eles

Right, and the vast “majority” (god i already see this word being picked on) ran with 4 warriors and a mesmer. Why? It was fast, and it was easy to achieve that good (fast) speed. It’s back to skill:reward trade off…
Also, how’s your video showing that warriors are “bottom of the dps chart”, if anything it’s supporting it… look both groups had at least 2 warriors.

im the first to admit 4 war/1 mes is an easy setup, thats why is was so popular with pugs, its insanely easier to find a decent warrior than it is to find a decent thief and maybe you should view the video i linked again, 1 war (bannermule) and a ranger which considerably lowers party damage, even with frost spirit (spotter is trash)

I am an avid thief enthusiast. It is the best class in the game IMO due to its enjoyable factors, despite its strength. Even then, I don’t see them being weak. Ask my guild, I do phenomenal damage and that is one of the reasons they want me in dungeon groups. I crit 9k on dagger 2 if they are below 25, 8k below 50, and I hit 1k no criteria per dagger 1 hit.i have no troubles playing, using a mix of seeker and power vitality toughness gear with full seeker trinkets. Try it sometime, maybe you will see thieves don’t die quite so much if you play well enough. Don’t reroll warrior just because it is easy, play the game for enjoyment, because every class can kill one another. I harbinger you will be killed by thieves one after another because they are GOOD, better than you are on a warrior.

sierras.6297:

I am an avid thief enthusiast. It is the best class in the game IMO due to its enjoyable factors, despite its strength. Even then, I don’t see them being weak. Ask my guild, I do phenomenal damage and that is one of the reasons they want me in dungeon groups. I crit 9k on dagger 2 if they are below 25, 8k below 50, and I hit 1k no criteria per dagger 1 hit.i have no troubles playing, using a mix of seeker and power vitality toughness gear with full seeker trinkets. Try it sometime, maybe you will see thieves don’t die quite so much if you play well enough. Don’t reroll warrior just because it is easy, play the game for enjoyment, because every class can kill one another. I harbinger you will be killed by thieves one after another because they are GOOD, better than you are on a warrior.

Well i decided to hit up pvp and test out some warrior builds. The damage was crazy. I’ve always loved dual axes, probably my all time favourite look so i was playing around with that. Got my whirlwind dmg to hit upwards of 10k, this is in pvp gears mind you, with no buffs, no food, and no bloodlust stacks.

I usually try to avoid the popular classes in games but warriors looking fun. I’ll just have to find a unique build and play it to my style. When thieves get some love i’ll come back to play it again. ATM they are nothing like what i’d expect the class to be.

warrior doesn’t have perma stealth

btw your post is 0/10

Lighter.5631:

warrior doesn’t have perma stealth

btw your post is 0/10

And come dec 10 neither will thief.