Guild Wars 2

Can we make this a sticky?

Zacchary.6183:

“L2P” from a thief means:

Roll a thief and play around with stealth. Learn what thieves do by being the thief yourself so when you go back to your main you know their next move.

Once you understand the thief, fighting one will feel as though you are reading a book. Fights against them will feel so pathetic that you will wonder why you ever kittened about them in the first place. And if you are that good, their first attack will tell you everything about them.

Seriously, just try one out and tinker with them.

….. or something along those lines.

Link this in your sig :P

Can we make this into a bulletin board as soon as you enter the thief forums? Then, all we ever have to do is reply with “L2P” making life so much easier.

Invizible.2960:

Zacchary.6183:

“L2P” from a thief means:

Roll a thief and play around with stealth. Learn what thieves do by being the thief yourself so when you go back to your main you know their next move.

Once you understand the thief, fighting one will feel as though you are reading a book. Fights against them will feel so pathetic that you will wonder why you ever kittened about them in the first place. And if you are that good, their first attack will tell you everything about them.

Seriously, just try one out and tinker with them.

….. or something along those lines.

Link this in your sig :P

We should all link this in our sigs.

I don’t think so.
Pretty much, when a Thief says L2P, it means:

I have no real argument against yours.
I just want to enjoy my profession and I don’t really give a kitten about balance and everything. I just want to faceroll people and I don’t want to waste time to get better, while you should if you want to have any chance against me while I’m mashing buttons randomly with no real clue on what I’m doing.

That is pretty much what I read when I see L2P in the thief forum.

Seriously guys, you should stop doing this bullkitten.
I’ve seen L2P said to really well formed and logically correct arguments regarding thieves, which is really sad, to be honest.

I’ve seen L2P said to people who kindly asked for suggestion on how to counter thieves.

Everything who were said to be broken about thieves was then nerfed, which it means that, probably, most people complains have some sense.
Probably also other people have a brain, not only you.

sorrow.2364:

I don’t think so.
Pretty much, when a Thief says L2P, it means:

I have no real argument against yours.
I just want to enjoy my profession and I don’t really give a kitten about balance and everything. I just want to faceroll people and I don’t want to waste time to get better, while you should if you want to have any chance against me while I’m mashing buttons randomly with no real clue on what I’m doing.

That is pretty much what I read when I see L2P in the thief forum.

Seriously guys, you should stop doing this bullkitten.
I’ve seen L2P said to really well formed and logically correct arguments regarding thieves, which is really sad, to be honest.

I’ve seen L2P said to people who kindly asked for suggestion on how to counter thieves.

Everything who were said to be broken about thieves was then nerfed, which it means that, probably, most people complains have some sense.
Probably also other people have a brain, not only you.

Would you like to hear how many times I have died to a solo thief on my ranger? It might surprise you. The answer is 0. Why? Because they are so darn predictable once you play one

Craig.2403:

Would you like to hear how many times I have died to a solo thief on my ranger? It might surprise you. The answer is 0. Why? Because they are so darn predictable once you play one

No, it’s because BM rangers are incredibly strong in 1v1.

lol nice one
Should be made into a class description extension xD

sorrow.2364:

I don’t think so.
Pretty much, when a Thief says L2P, it means:

I have no real argument against yours.
I just want to enjoy my profession and I don’t really give a kitten about balance and everything. I just want to faceroll people and I don’t want to waste time to get better, while you should if you want to have any chance against me while I’m mashing buttons randomly with no real clue on what I’m doing.

That is pretty much what I read when I see L2P in the thief forum.

Seriously guys, you should stop doing this bullkitten.
I’ve seen L2P said to really well formed and logically correct arguments regarding thieves, which is really sad, to be honest.

I’ve seen L2P said to people who kindly asked for suggestion on how to counter thieves.

Everything who were said to be broken about thieves was then nerfed, which it means that, probably, most people complains have some sense.
Probably also other people have a brain, not only you.

You’de be so surprised.

Totally agree and yes I have changed my signature too!

changed my sig too

sorrow.2364:

I don’t think so.
Pretty much, when a Thief says L2P, it means:

I have no real argument against yours.
I just want to enjoy my profession and I don’t really give a kitten about balance and everything. I just want to faceroll people and I don’t want to waste time to get better, while you should if you want to have any chance against me while I’m mashing buttons randomly with no real clue on what I’m doing.

That is pretty much what I read when I see L2P in the thief forum.

Seriously guys, you should stop doing this bullkitten.
I’ve seen L2P said to really well formed and logically correct arguments regarding thieves, which is really sad, to be honest.

I’ve seen L2P said to people who kindly asked for suggestion on how to counter thieves.

Everything who were said to be broken about thieves was then nerfed, which it means that, probably, most people complains have some sense.
Probably also other people have a brain, not only you.

Very well said. I’ve made complaints and I’ve followed the advice given (even made and leveld a thief). That’s when I saw that the counters they gave were strawmen that only really bad thief players would be beat by.

sorrow.2364:

I don’t think so.
Pretty much, when a Thief says L2P, it means:

I have no real argument against yours.
I just want to enjoy my profession and I don’t really give a kitten about balance and everything. I just want to faceroll people and I don’t want to waste time to get better, while you should if you want to have any chance against me while I’m mashing buttons randomly with no real clue on what I’m doing.

That is pretty much what I read when I see L2P in the thief forum.

Seriously guys, you should stop doing this bullkitten.
I’ve seen L2P said to really well formed and logically correct arguments regarding thieves, which is really sad, to be honest.

I’ve seen L2P said to people who kindly asked for suggestion on how to counter thieves.

Everything who were said to be broken about thieves was then nerfed, which it means that, probably, most people complains have some sense.
Probably also other people have a brain, not only you.

Then exercise that brain and L2P, right?

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Then exercise that brain and L2P, right?

Said the one who is complaining about the patch and he feels weak in dungeons.

Don’t worry, you surely don’t need to L2P.
Just spam the forum saying how weak the thief is, how bad nerfs are and wait and hope for buffs, because thief is unplayable without them, right?

sorrow.2364:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Then exercise that brain and L2P, right?

Said the one who is complaining about the patch and he feels weak in dungeons.

Don’t worry, you surely don’t need to L2P.
Just spam the forum saying how weak the thief is, how bad nerfs are and wait and hope for buffs, because people is unplayable without them, right?

Please, that’s too much wisdom coming from someone like you. I am not worthy of such kindness.

Thanks for the support guys.

I actually tried this awhile back. I just shelved the Warrior and made the Thief my main lol.

+1 needs to be sticky

Old thread revived.

sorrow.2364:

Craig.2403:

Would you like to hear how many times I have died to a solo thief on my ranger? It might surprise you. The answer is 0. Why? Because they are so darn predictable once you play one

No, it’s because BM rangers are incredibly strong in 1v1.

That’s bullkitten. d/d conditions kitten s them.

EDIT: Thanks Kiro. I totally forgot this thread existed.

L2P = Learn To Paint ! ahahahahaha

Funny you said that…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

I know hearing L2P is annoying but really the roll a thief and learn is the best advice. Once you start playing a class you really start to understand it and what stops it.

Conan.8046:

Funny you said that…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

Too bad that kitten is from last year. Otherwise, I’de care.

Notice how anyone who says “L2P; roll a thief” still mains a thief. Hmm.

Oh and btw, how’s that Pistol Whip revert coming along guys? Did it lose traction when thieves lost their OP-only, FotM players or when people realized it didn’t need to happen?

Redscope.6215:

Notice how anyone who says “L2P; roll a thief” still mains a thief. Hmm.

Oh and btw, how’s that Pistol Whip revert coming along guys? Did it lose traction when thieves lost their OP-only, FotM players or when people realized it didn’t need to happen?

Question: If you had no clue how to build a space rocket, would you still tell a rocket scientist how to build a rocket? That’s the problem with you people… you guys don’t have a clue.

Zacchary.6183:

Conan.8046:

Funny you said that…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

Too bad that kitten is from last year. Otherwise, I’de care.

Yeah but its still the same pretty much.

Conan.8046:

Zacchary.6183:

Conan.8046:

Funny you said that…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

Too bad that kitten is from last year. Otherwise, I’de care.

Yeah but its still the same pretty much.

Not really.

cheshirefox.7026:

Zacchary.6183:

Conan.8046:

Funny you said that…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

Too bad that kitten is from last year. Otherwise, I’de care.

Too bad your brain stopped developing at age 3. Otherwise, I’d care.
enjoy your lack of effort profession

Like you have room to talk. Enjoy your infinite mindless rotations.

+1 sticky.
We’re sorry thief isn’t as straightforward to fight as a greatsword warrior, that doesn’t mean we’re significantly harder to read.

L2P is an intelligent statement meant to help people just as much as noob is a compliment only meant to praise people.

i thought it meant this, videos a little old but it still works.

Dagraan.2854:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

i thought it meant this, videos a little old but it still works.

That video was already posted.

Btw, there is a fun part where he randomly spreads trait points and doesn’t pick any trait at all to show how powerful Thief is.

But then when he is playing you can clearly see he isn’t using that random trait distribution (if you look closely, in the random one he didn’t got 15 in Trickery, but in gameplay he had the extra initiative, and he also had at least the trait that adds 3 boons on steal selected, so he was really using a proper build to boost his 222 spamming instead of something random like he pretends).

And that video is old, that one was nerfed multiple times. Not to mention that back in the day it was only effective against siting ducks that didn’t care about their surroundings. Nowadays I still laugh hard when I find one of those and I throw a simple snare at them to make them waste all their initiative in a panic attack (that’s what L2P means, learn how to counter something so simple like that, and how to move and pay attention instead of sitting in a corner throwing spells and then getting angry because you didn’t evade/snare a super simple strategy).

Quote:
“Player: use your head”
“Victim: but I don’t wanna use my head!!!”

Conan.8046:

Zacchary.6183:

Conan.8046:

Funny you said that…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

Too bad that kitten is from last year. Otherwise, I’de care.

Yeah but its still the same pretty much.

ok then. Go and roll a thief!! Spam 2 or 3 what ever you wish!! I’ll kill you, I’ll let you choose my class

magic fly.2041:

L2P is an intelligent statement meant to help people just as much as noob is a compliment only meant to praise people.

That’s why we attach an explanation to the phrase. Read the thread.

Bored at work, dumping some thief advice into this thread.

One thing that people who haven’t played thief fail to grasp: getting a thief to waste initiative is like half stunning them, it puts all their weapon skills on cooldown. Interrupting a heartseeker out of black powder, dodging cloak and dagger, staying out of range of larcenous strike, things like that put pressure on the thief. All 1 skill abilities from stealth don’t use up any initiative, e.g. backstab, surprise shot, or tactical strike, so just dodging that attack doesn’t put the thief at much of a disadvantage. If you see that ‘evaded’ message come up then you know they’re right next to you, so do something about it.

Stealth doesn’t mean invulnerability. If a thief goes for a stealth stomp, or goes into shadow refuge, dump all your AoE on their position and cleave the kitten out of them; blow your load. Don’t try and rez someone being stealth stomped unless you know you can finish the rez in less than 3 seconds. Also be aware if poison is on the downed person, it slows down your rez speed by 33%.

Thieves have high mobility but all of their teleports besides steal are essentially their defensive utility skills; getting them to use those skills just to get into close combat with you means you’ve already used up some of their defensive options.

Everyone who expects to competently fight thieves should know what the buff symbols look like for basilisk venom, infiltrators signet and shadowstep. If you see basi venom up, use stability, block or get a stun break ready, etc. If you see shadowstep icon up, kite them until it drops (10 secs), they now have 30-40 secs where they’re down one stun break. Same with infiltrators signet, once the symbol disappears that stun break isn’t available anymore

You should also be able to tell what weapon set the thief is using after just a few seconds of fighting them. At least one ability in every weapon set has an obvious animation that will tell you what they’re using – flanking strike, cloak and dagger, death blossom, pistol whip, black powder, unload, etc.

Thieves have no access to stability besides their elite skill dagger storm and the stolen skill from mesmers ‘consume ectoplasm’. Their main counter to CC is evading and stun break teleports, of which they only have two. Stuns can wreck a thief when they’re teleports/stun breaks are down. Try Timing a CC attack to land right after their dodge roll animation has finished.

1v1 fights with d/p thieves, one of the strongest roaming classes, now mostly go in my favour, whether i’m on d/d thief, zerker s/f guardian with 11.5k health, or hammer/gs warrior. AoE pressure, kiting, pulling the fight away from their black powder, knowing when their skills are on cooldown is what people mean by L2P, as opposed to immediately using your dodges, then spamming 1 running in circles hoping you don’t get hit with backstab.

Jakare.6807:

Bored at work, dumping some thief advice into this thread.

One thing that people who haven’t played thief fail to grasp: getting a thief to waste initiative is like half stunning them, it puts all their weapon skills on cooldown. Interrupting a heartseeker out of black powder, dodging cloak and dagger, staying out of range of larcenous strike, things like that put pressure on the thief. All 1 skill abilities from stealth don’t use up any initiative, e.g. backstab, surprise shot, or tactical strike, so just dodging that attack doesn’t put the thief at much of a disadvantage. If you see that ‘evaded’ message come up then you know they’re right next to you, so do something about it.

Stealth doesn’t mean invulnerability. If a thief goes for a stealth stomp, or goes into shadow refuge, dump all your AoE on their position and cleave the kitten out of them; blow your load. Don’t try and rez someone being stealth stomped unless you know you can finish the rez in less than 3 seconds. Also be aware if poison is on the downed person, it slows down your rez speed by 33%.

Thieves have high mobility but all of their teleports besides steal are essentially their defensive utility skills; getting them to use those skills just to get into close combat with you means you’ve already used up some of their defensive options.

Everyone who expects to competently fight thieves should know what the buff symbols look like for basilisk venom, infiltrators signet and shadowstep. If you see basi venom up, use stability, block or get a stun break ready, etc. If you see shadowstep icon up, kite them until it drops (10 secs), they now have 30-40 secs where they’re down one stun break. Same with infiltrators signet, once the symbol disappears that stun break isn’t available anymore

You should also be able to tell what weapon set the thief is using after just a few seconds of fighting them. At least one ability in every weapon set has an obvious animation that will tell you what they’re using – flanking strike, cloak and dagger, death blossom, pistol whip, black powder, unload, etc.

Thieves have no access to stability besides their elite skill dagger storm and the stolen skill from mesmers ‘consume ectoplasm’. Their main counter to CC is evading and stun break teleports, of which they only have two. Stuns can wreck a thief when they’re teleports/stun breaks are down. Try Timing a CC attack to land right after their dodge roll animation has finished.

1v1 fights with d/p thieves, one of the strongest roaming classes, now mostly go in my favour, whether i’m on d/d thief, zerker s/f guardian with 11.5k health, or hammer/gs warrior. AoE pressure, kiting, pulling the fight away from their black powder, knowing when their skills are on cooldown is what people mean by L2P, as opposed to immediately using your dodges, then spamming 1 running in circles hoping you don’t get hit with backstab.

“I CAN’T FACEROLL THAT!!” ~Every scrub ever.

Kaz.9376:

I actually tried this awhile back. I just shelved the Warrior and made the Thief my main lol.

Shelve classes that can’t face roll escape zergs and kill people gg bet you can’t touch kitten in pve get good nub at least my warrior can be used everywhere l2p from thief means they have no skill they just panic button if they get hit and run like a little kitten I face roll troll people on my thief with the simple avoidance of people 1 v 1 I can kill but lately it’s always 1 v 3-8 and well when u get stunned and immobilized for 8 seconds stealth only does so much when they spam aoe kd cripple and stun when u need to be able to use ur next stealth

TheJokester.4672:

Kaz.9376:

I actually tried this awhile back. I just shelved the Warrior and made the Thief my main lol.

Shelve classes that can’t face roll escape zergs and kill people gg bet you can’t touch kitten in pve get good nub at least my warrior can be used everywhere l2p from thief means they have no skill they just panic button if they get hit and run like a little kitten I face roll troll people on my thief with the simple avoidance of people 1 v 1 I can kill but lately it’s always 1 v 3-8 and well when u get stunned and immobilized for 8 seconds stealth only does so much when they spam aoe kd cripple and stun when u need to be able to use ur next stealth

tl;dr This guy hates punctuation. Especially periods. Exactly the kind of player the Thief profession does not need.

TheJokester.4672:

Kaz.9376:

I actually tried this awhile back. I just shelved the Warrior and made the Thief my main lol.

Shelve classes that can’t face roll escape zergs and kill people gg bet you can’t touch kitten in pve get good nub at least my warrior can be used everywhere l2p from thief means they have no skill they just panic button if they get hit and run like a little kitten I face roll troll people on my thief with the simple avoidance of people 1 v 1 I can kill but lately it’s always 1 v 3-8 and well when u get stunned and immobilized for 8 seconds stealth only does so much when they spam aoe kd cripple and stun when u need to be able to use ur next stealth

English please?

hilarious nec…. where’s y’alls mojo now?
I guess Anet finally decided to be the Gw1 Anet we all remember and loved….

Learn to Counter your Counter…. we’ll be waiting.
(with our torches and warhorns and 30% faster swift boosted detectors)

I had problems fighting Guardians. What I did? Went to the forums and QQ’d I mean, created a Guardian and learned its tatics. Bye bye problems

EDIT: Thats true btw, fighting mesmers got way easier too after I created one