Guild Wars 2

Hexalot.8194:

Seabreeze.8437:

Advent.6193:

I could really get behind a Whip.

That… could be interpreted very differently than what you are implying, lol.

LOLOLOLOL !!

This thread has everything! eats popcorn

I really don’t know why the thief board is getting so worked up over this topic..

First off, the thief will be the last one revealed.
secondly we will be lucky to get a beta with it. ( chance are we will get 1 beta weekend while the rest will have multiple ones)
thirdly, there is more evidence (though not concrete, towards the staff wpn set)
4th no matter what we get, It’s going to be complained about by the keyboard turners and they (arena net) will nerf it before it goes live, like the recent changes to our traitlines (remember teef’s have to much durge rolls?)

I know we ain’t getting a rifle, and if we do, it will be medium range. Why you ask?
well its simple, look at shortbow nerfs, then look at the range on pistols. you are also not accounting for (Roll for initiative, Withdraw, shadow step, shadow trap, Cal traps, which would make a thief with a rifle a kiting genius. extremly op. not to mention the fact that arena net already stated thief rifle is unlikely (a thread near launch)

I would take a grea tsword over both a rifle and a staff, though staff would be my second choice..

Leaps my good man, staff could give us access to that, which we lack now.

Either way whatever we get is probably going to be sub par, this is arena net where talking about. no one believed me when i stated the trait changes where going to be a nerf overall so by all means don’t belive me now

Gray.9041:

so because Anet isn’t doing exactly what you want, thief staff’s gonna suck?

really?

really??

really???

Your logic is backwards. No, there isn’t anything that even hints towards melee staff not sucking. And that I don’t want. If anet pulls staff off, then great. Otherwise, everyone is going to get something of value and thief is going to get something that just looks cool. And there isn’t a single person who really has proven that isn’t the case.

I’m still waiting btw

yolo swaggins.2570:

No, there isn’t anything that even hints towards melee staff not sucking.

yolo swaggins.2570:

And there isn’t a single person who really has proven that isn’t the case.

…I – I don’t…

what?

of course there’s no evidence it won’t suck. there’s no evidence it will suck. there’s no evidence of anything, because we know nothing about how it will work

at this point, the only relevant question is what not how, and the evidence for what leans further towards staff than anything else.

@Gray don’t try to reason with him his mind is made up already. We must now embrace his bias of us and start posting pictures of ninjas and kungfu masters.

I hear this guy’s popular on this thread.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Shadow.1345:

This thread has pretty much changed to an argument between yolo and sebradle which is pretty much just sebradle saying “evidence points to staff” and yolo responding by throwing himself down on the ground in the middle of the aisle and throwing a temper tantrum. Can we just get a mod to close this?

EDIT: @yolo The dev team and the use of a melee staff are not bound by your imagination and what has been posted. It’s a videogame set in a high fantasy realm, it has the capacity to do anything the dev team makes it do.

Then staff is bound to suck and players are going to continue to stick with d/p SB. Maybe the spec traits would work enough for thieves to use it. But it doesn’t change the fact that staffers want to look cool over making the profession better. So if we get melee staff and it ends up how staffers wanted it, it has a high chance of turning out exactly how I said it would. And when it does, I will remind you guys so the same crap doesn’t repeat itself (hopefully).

I think you let your liason position in TEEF go to your head because nothing we say or do is going to make ANet decide what to do with their elite spec decision for Thief. You’re acting like we are making ANet make their decision yet nobody was talking about melee staff until the datamined picture came out. But go ahead and remind us all you want but it’s not like you really did anything to contribute for good or ill on the design of the thief.

Shadow.1345:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Shadow.1345:

This thread has pretty much changed to an argument between yolo and sebradle which is pretty much just sebradle saying “evidence points to staff” and yolo responding by throwing himself down on the ground in the middle of the aisle and throwing a temper tantrum. Can we just get a mod to close this?

EDIT: @yolo The dev team and the use of a melee staff are not bound by your imagination and what has been posted. It’s a videogame set in a high fantasy realm, it has the capacity to do anything the dev team makes it do.

Then staff is bound to suck and players are going to continue to stick with d/p SB. Maybe the spec traits would work enough for thieves to use it. But it doesn’t change the fact that staffers want to look cool over making the profession better. So if we get melee staff and it ends up how staffers wanted it, it has a high chance of turning out exactly how I said it would. And when it does, I will remind you guys so the same crap doesn’t repeat itself (hopefully).

I think you let your liason position in TEEF go to your head because nothing we say or do is going to make ANet decide what to do with their elite spec decision for Thief. You’re acting like we are making ANet make their decision yet nobody was talking about melee staff until the datamined picture came out. But go ahead and remind us all you want but it’s not like you really did anything to contribute for good or ill on the design of the thief.

Hype, or the lack thereof, has made anet reconsider things. An exodus has made anet attempt a 180 in how they handle a certain profession. So assuming all this melee staff hype affects anet’s decisions, we all know who to look at and why for not encouraging anet to do better.

Someday I wish to be like this fine gentleman photographed here. But of course in the virtual world of Tyria.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Shadow.1345:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Shadow.1345:

This thread has pretty much changed to an argument between yolo and sebradle which is pretty much just sebradle saying “evidence points to staff” and yolo responding by throwing himself down on the ground in the middle of the aisle and throwing a temper tantrum. Can we just get a mod to close this?

EDIT: @yolo The dev team and the use of a melee staff are not bound by your imagination and what has been posted. It’s a videogame set in a high fantasy realm, it has the capacity to do anything the dev team makes it do.

Then staff is bound to suck and players are going to continue to stick with d/p SB. Maybe the spec traits would work enough for thieves to use it. But it doesn’t change the fact that staffers want to look cool over making the profession better. So if we get melee staff and it ends up how staffers wanted it, it has a high chance of turning out exactly how I said it would. And when it does, I will remind you guys so the same crap doesn’t repeat itself (hopefully).

I think you let your liason position in TEEF go to your head because nothing we say or do is going to make ANet decide what to do with their elite spec decision for Thief. You’re acting like we are making ANet make their decision yet nobody was talking about melee staff until the datamined picture came out. But go ahead and remind us all you want but it’s not like you really did anything to contribute for good or ill on the design of the thief.

Hype, or the lack thereof, has made anet reconsider things. An exodus has made anet attempt a 180 in how they handle a certain profession. So assuming all this melee staff hype affects anet’s decisions, we all know who to look at and why for not encouraging anet to do better.

You have zero clues of how game development works if you think that anet scrapped an entire rifle concept in the last month in favor of staff because of hype on their game forums.

EDIT: kitten I think I took the bait again.

sebradle.7034:

You have zero clues of how game development works if you think that anet scrapped an entire rifle concept in the last month in favor of staff because of hype on their game forums.

EDIT: kitten I think I took the bait again.

lol You walked into your own trap. Flipping your entire argument around just to discredit me. Just lol

I think I am done here.

yolo swaggins.2570:

sebradle.7034:

You have zero clues of how game development works if you think that anet scrapped an entire rifle concept in the last month in favor of staff because of hype on their game forums.

EDIT: kitten I think I took the bait again.

lol You walked into your own trap. Flipping your entire argument around just to discredit me. Just lol

I think I am done here.

Omg your ego. I meant I took the bait of trying to reason with you because talking to you is like talking to a wall.

Once again let me reiterate if you think anet changed their thief concept in the past month because of hype over staff on this forum in the past month your either ignorant or facetious.

Seabreeze.8437:

Advent.6193:

I could really get behind a Whip.

That… could be interpreted very differently than what you are implying, lol.

Well it does seem like there are quite a few people misbehaving on this thread.

Tabootrinket.2631:

plot-twist.
We get rifle but then…

Oh geez, not that.

supa suop.8026:

Seabreeze.8437:

Advent.6193:

I could really get behind a Whip.

That… could be interpreted very differently than what you are implying, lol.

Well it does seem like there are quite a few people misbehaving on this thread.

Can we get dual whips?

@Highlie Ranger will probably be last because they announced it first and Roy is loving revenant I’m pretty sure they gave up on ranger anyway.

All ranged rifles are 1200 just like ranged staves the reason SB is on 900 range is because it’s a SB it shouldn’t have the same range as LB that goes as high as 1200 and more. Yes staff has more recent attention partially because no one knew they would make melee staves and yes I don’t trust them with balance most of the time especially with thief now but there is no sub for them.

Anyway I would appreciate if Team Rifle is no longer discriminated by believing we all want a sniper and are CoD guniacs if anything melee rifle was rumored before melee staff. What’s better than a gun? A gun with a blade!! If anything you can mix GS,rifle and staff into it but yes it’s all tricky wishing.

I’ve said already that I’d love melee staff but what I really do wish was that there were more one-handed or off-hand options to swap around with, which is why more than anything I’d love dual axes. Even if it would mean like 11 new weapon skills for them to balance… I always found that for thief, weapon variety was sorely needed.

yolo swaggins.2570:

“(as well as many other people)” I’m done explaining myself.

Erm… what’s wrong with what I said, exactly? It’s not like I said “as well as everyone else” or “I speak for everybody,” because I know I don’t. That said, quite a few people have indeed stated that they are aware that staff is not 100% confirmed, sebradle included, but I guess you conveniently ignored those statements.

sebradle.7034:

We must now embrace his bias of us and start posting pictures of ninjas and kungfu masters.

Don’t forget anime freaks that scream “kawaii no waifu” as we charge into battle.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Shadow.1345:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Shadow.1345:

This thread has pretty much changed to an argument between yolo and sebradle which is pretty much just sebradle saying “evidence points to staff” and yolo responding by throwing himself down on the ground in the middle of the aisle and throwing a temper tantrum. Can we just get a mod to close this?

EDIT: @yolo The dev team and the use of a melee staff are not bound by your imagination and what has been posted. It’s a videogame set in a high fantasy realm, it has the capacity to do anything the dev team makes it do.

Then staff is bound to suck and players are going to continue to stick with d/p SB. Maybe the spec traits would work enough for thieves to use it. But it doesn’t change the fact that staffers want to look cool over making the profession better. So if we get melee staff and it ends up how staffers wanted it, it has a high chance of turning out exactly how I said it would. And when it does, I will remind you guys so the same crap doesn’t repeat itself (hopefully).

I think you let your liason position in TEEF go to your head because nothing we say or do is going to make ANet decide what to do with their elite spec decision for Thief. You’re acting like we are making ANet make their decision yet nobody was talking about melee staff until the datamined picture came out. But go ahead and remind us all you want but it’s not like you really did anything to contribute for good or ill on the design of the thief.

Hype, or the lack thereof, has made anet reconsider things. An exodus has made anet attempt a 180 in how they handle a certain profession. So assuming all this melee staff hype affects anet’s decisions, we all know who to look at and why for not encouraging anet to do better.

So what you are saying is that all the rifle hype before the datamined image was found shortly after the June 23rd patch made ANet change their mind and implement staff instead?

Also if that were the case then why hasn’t ricochet been reimplemented after all those pages on that one thread as well as all the other times it has been mentioned? What about the queuing issues with solo vs. premade and queuing outside of HotM? Why hasn’t all the hype or lack thereof changed that?

Shadow.1345:

So what you are saying is that all the rifle hype before the datamined image was found shortly after the June 23rd patch made ANet change their mind and implement staff instead?

Also if that were the case then why hasn’t ricochet been reimplemented after all those pages on that one thread as well as all the other times it has been mentioned? What about the queuing issues with solo vs. premade and queuing outside of HotM? Why hasn’t all the hype or lack thereof changed that?

Instead of putting words in people’s mouths, you could be using that effort and time to making staff look more appealing. less redundant.

EDIT: lol forgot its already got appeal.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Shadow.1345:

So what you are saying is that all the rifle hype before the datamined image was found shortly after the June 23rd patch made ANet change their mind and implement staff instead?

Also if that were the case then why hasn’t ricochet been reimplemented after all those pages on that one thread as well as all the other times it has been mentioned? What about the queuing issues with solo vs. premade and queuing outside of HotM? Why hasn’t all the hype or lack thereof changed that?

Instead of putting words in people’s mouths, you could be using that effort and time to making staff look more appealing.

that’s not his job. also, whether staff looks appealing is irrelevant. I could spend days convincing everyone of the perfect skillset/traits etc for rifle, but it’s all moot if they reveal staff. what’s done is done, and it is no longer in our hands – if it ever was.

how much you do or do not want staff is so infinitely irrelevant I don’t think I can begin to convey it – but the short version is that your wants will not affect what thief gets at this point.

How about OH sword so we can tell Tempests that we stole their weapon?

Maugetarr.6823:

How about OH sword so we can tell Tempests that we stole their weapon?

Isn’t that rumored impossible since we have MH dagger?

Oh my god…. I’m sitting presenting my argument and information and explaining why they are valid and all you guys can do is cherry pick, twist words and flat out attack me and my associations simply because you can’t reinforce your points.

Nice job looking out for the profession.

As i’ve said before, Anet could give us a Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range and it would still suck. The same goes for any staff/other weapon.

All the nifty toys and abilities other professions are getting is due to the fact that the devs doing the balance enjoy that profession and actually spend time with it (and are familiar with the mechanics/traits).

We get a dev who goes two weeks without touching his thief.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Oh my god…. I’m sitting presenting my argument and information and explaining why they are valid and all you guys can do is cherry pick, twist words and flat out attack me and my associations simply because you can’t reinforce your points.

Nice job looking out for the profession.

all we’ve being saying is that there is more evidence for a staff on thief than any other weapon.

Evidence for staff†:

• elite specialisation training background datamined

• specialisation-exclusive staff skin matching the above image has been datamined.

• other information within this datamining has proven correct, with the reliability of the datamining increasing with each announcement

Evidence for other weapons†:

Evidence against staff:

• no two specialisations can have the same weapon, and druid gets staff
  this was never stated officially, anywhere. also, the reveal of the Herald just downright disproves it.

†this counts only information obtained from arenanet or arenanet products within the last 12 months

and you’ve explained some examples in which you think it would be bad – an opinion, which has no bearing on the fact of which weapon we’ll get.

none of your arguments – if they could be called arguments, and I’d say they’re opinions at best – are valid, as there is no supporting evidence of any merit.

no-one’s cherry picking. we’re addressing your (lack of) arguments. that they’re so easily debunked is hardly our fault.

we can reinforce our point – that staff has more official evidence suggesting its inclusion as the thief elite specialisation’s new weapon, because that’s a scientifically quantifiable point, see bullet points above. Alder’s razor very much applies to this discussion – only the quantifiable matters. our supposition is easily quantifiable. your irrelevant opinions are not, and so have no merit to the discussion.

we’re not attacking you. our comments make you look like a person who’s incapable of accepting that their personal opinion doesn’t have a major part in the (most likely past) actions of a major company, but that’s because that’s exactly how your actions on this thread portray you.

and no, we are not “looking out for the profession”. that’s not the point here. the point, as is clearly illustrated above, is this: there is a quantifiabley greater amount of evidence that the unrevealed thief specialisation will have access to the staff, than to any other weapon.

you can argue my assessment of your responses. you can argue the validity of the staff on the profession. but that the majority of evidence supports thief staff you cannot reasonably argue – the numbers do not lie.

but you’ll try anyway. so go ahead, make my day.

uglydan.1638:

As i’ve said before, Anet could give us a Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range and it would still suck. The same goes for any staff/other weapon.

All the nifty toys and abilities other professions are getting is due to the fact that the devs doing the balance enjoy that profession and actually spend time with it (and are familiar with the mechanics/traits).

We get a dev who goes two weeks without touching his thief.

as I mentioned elsewhere, it’s refreshing to see Roy Cronacher doing the sort of stuff for revenant we’ve never really seen on thief. is there any way we could… convince him to join the dark shadow arts side?

(sadly not serious…)

Sagat.3285:

Maugetarr.6823:

How about OH sword so we can tell Tempests that we stole their weapon?

Isn’t that rumored impossible since we have MH dagger?

I see nothing wrong with switching back and forth between D/S and S/D.

Similar Skin

Our staff spec, demo of each skill (elite skill at 1:33):

Zero Day.2594:

Our staff spec, demo of each skill (elite skill at 1:33):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPPj6viIBmU

You know, honestly, if they’re gonna give us staff, just give us spear access on land. The only reason I say that is more skins make sense for a melee polearm with Spear than Staff (+ we can wield it in water already).

Maugetarr.6823:

Sagat.3285:

Maugetarr.6823:

How about OH sword so we can tell Tempests that we stole their weapon?

Isn’t that rumored impossible since we have MH dagger?

I see nothing wrong with switching back and forth between D/S and S/D.

Similar Skin

It seems odd the primary reason for OH sword is because we already have MH sword but isn’t rev’s s/s what thieves want? It seems less likely then either staff or rifle to be honest but that’s just my opinion.

Sagat.3285:

Maugetarr.6823:

Sagat.3285:

Maugetarr.6823:

How about OH sword so we can tell Tempests that we stole their weapon?

Isn’t that rumored impossible since we have MH dagger?

I see nothing wrong with switching back and forth between D/S and S/D.

Similar Skin

It seems odd the primary reason for OH sword is because we already have MH sword but isn’t rev’s s/s what thieves want? It seems less likely then either staff or rifle to be honest but that’s just my opinion.

Well, warrior and mes also have OH sword. It seems odd that we can’t be ambidextrous as well. We’re the only class that combos our weapons (dual attacks) and can dual wield all of our other weapons (barring SB) so dual wielding our other weapon just makes sense that it would take a little more training. We’re probably getting a 2h weapon though cause it will be easier to balance.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Oh my god…. I’m sitting presenting my argument and information and explaining why they are valid and all you guys can do is cherry pick, twist words and flat out attack me and my associations simply because you can’t reinforce your points.

Nice job looking out for the profession.

You’re complaining about people countering your arguments as cherry picking and treating it as a personal attack on you, yet it’s ok for:

yolo swaggins.2570:

If I am salty its because every anime freak is dropping common sense to play naruto.

It might be my personal opinion that rifle is a better option but I am not pushing my preferences like its fact. I’ve spent the majority of my time telling you that what you think is going on is not really going on. I already know the actual elite weapon is up in the air but I am not going around claiming that coincidences are forms of proof and judging people’s credibility by their moods.

Secondly, do you expect me to think you’de care what I have to say? Everyone who has argued for staff has used so much confirmation bias and are so desperate to roleplay Ryu Hayabusa that they’ve convinced themselves that melee staff is more or less confirmed. So they continue to hype the hell out of it based off of tiny samples and possibilities thinking they are absolute in their logic. The hype feeds off itself.

Now if I were to question you about your proof, you’de reply by saying something along the lines that it’s mere existence is proof enough. You guys have done it before. The fact is a single picture, model and an existing possibility based off a tiny sample size does not mean that melee staff is the imminent result. It doesn’t even prove its more of a possibility than any other weapon. Its just an idea, a concept, just like that fan made rifle idea.

I’ve done this too many times, Gray. Melee staff has no foundation because it is entirely fan driven with confirmation bias as it’s fuel. You intentionally leave out things that would harm your speculations. For example, that thief with that staff in that picture could also be a rev since red and black is also part of their original concept art. Compare the color scheme of the rev concept art with thief concept arts and you get one picture with black and white and just a LITTLE red. What if… that picture was meant as an idea for rev’s staff spec? That possibility is there because the color scheme matches like how the possibility of thief getting staff is there because elite spec weapons are not entirely exclusive.

And if it were true, your whole collection of “proof” and speculation would get blown out of the water. Again its a possibility but it goes to show how fragile your “proof” is. Just understand that I took the same path of logic staffers have, just not so much hype.

penelopehannibal.8947:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Oh my god…. I’m sitting presenting my argument and information and explaining why they are valid and all you guys can do is cherry pick, twist words and flat out attack me and my associations simply because you can’t reinforce your points.

Nice job looking out for the profession.

You’re complaining about people countering your arguments as cherry picking and treating it as a personal attack on you, yet it’s ok for:

yolo swaggins.2570:

If I am salty its because every anime freak is dropping common sense to play naruto.

Am I wrong though? None of you have proven anything to the contrary. You just want your staff reeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaalllllllllllllly bad.

yolo swaggins.2570:

It might be my personal opinion that rifle is a better option but I am not pushing my preferences like its fact. I’ve spent the majority of my time telling you that what you think is going on is not really going on. I already know the actual elite weapon is up in the air but I am not going around claiming that coincidences are forms of proof and judging people’s credibility by their moods.

Secondly, do you expect me to think you’de care what I have to say? Everyone who has argued for staff has used so much confirmation bias and are so desperate to roleplay Ryu Hayabusa that they’ve convinced themselves that melee staff is more or less confirmed. So they continue to hype the hell out of it based off of tiny samples and possibilities thinking they are absolute in their logic. The hype feeds off itself.

Now if I were to question you about your proof, you’de reply by saying something along the lines that it’s mere existence is proof enough. You guys have done it before. The fact is a single picture, model and an existing possibility based off a tiny sample size does not mean that melee staff is the imminent result. It doesn’t even prove its more of a possibility than any other weapon. Its just an idea, a concept, just like that fan made rifle idea.

I’ve done this too many times, Gray. Melee staff has no foundation because it is entirely fan driven with confirmation bias as it’s fuel. You intentionally leave out things that would harm your speculations. For example, that thief with that staff in that picture could also be a rev since red and black is also part of their original concept art. Compare the color scheme of the rev concept art with thief concept arts and you get one picture with black and white and just a LITTLE red. What if… that picture was meant as an idea for rev’s staff spec? That possibility is there because the color scheme matches like how the possibility of thief getting staff is there because elite spec weapons are not entirely exclusive.

And if it were true, your whole collection of “proof” and speculation would get blown out of the water. Again its a possibility but it goes to show how fragile your “proof” is. Just understand that I took the same path of logic staffers have, just not so much hype.

You would have a major valid point if it wasn’t for the fact that they changed our color scheme to red and black for specializations and the fact that in the image the staff wielder is clearly in sneak armor. If it was an idea for rev do you think rev was ever set up to be med armor??? Just seems like a huge stretch. I get that you think if staff happens it’ll be kitten or op and nerfed to hell, but let’s be honest here whatever we get the devs are going to kitten it. Like they kitten every weapon set that a thief has, so your argument is invalid in the end because i think the dev’s are going to keep it up with thieves and just kitten us so w/e we get where kittened

Nizio Nightblade.8109:

yolo swaggins.2570:

It might be my personal opinion that rifle is a better option but I am not pushing my preferences like its fact. I’ve spent the majority of my time telling you that what you think is going on is not really going on. I already know the actual elite weapon is up in the air but I am not going around claiming that coincidences are forms of proof and judging people’s credibility by their moods.

Secondly, do you expect me to think you’de care what I have to say? Everyone who has argued for staff has used so much confirmation bias and are so desperate to roleplay Ryu Hayabusa that they’ve convinced themselves that melee staff is more or less confirmed. So they continue to hype the hell out of it based off of tiny samples and possibilities thinking they are absolute in their logic. The hype feeds off itself.

Now if I were to question you about your proof, you’de reply by saying something along the lines that it’s mere existence is proof enough. You guys have done it before. The fact is a single picture, model and an existing possibility based off a tiny sample size does not mean that melee staff is the imminent result. It doesn’t even prove its more of a possibility than any other weapon. Its just an idea, a concept, just like that fan made rifle idea.

I’ve done this too many times, Gray. Melee staff has no foundation because it is entirely fan driven with confirmation bias as it’s fuel. You intentionally leave out things that would harm your speculations. For example, that thief with that staff in that picture could also be a rev since red and black is also part of their original concept art. Compare the color scheme of the rev concept art with thief concept arts and you get one picture with black and white and just a LITTLE red. What if… that picture was meant as an idea for rev’s staff spec? That possibility is there because the color scheme matches like how the possibility of thief getting staff is there because elite spec weapons are not entirely exclusive.

And if it were true, your whole collection of “proof” and speculation would get blown out of the water. Again its a possibility but it goes to show how fragile your “proof” is. Just understand that I took the same path of logic staffers have, just not so much hype.

You would have a major valid point if it wasn’t for the fact that they changed our color scheme to red and black for specializations and the fact that in the image the staff wielder is clearly in sneak armor. If it was an idea for rev do you think rev was ever set up to be med armor??? Just seems like a huge stretch. I get that you think if staff happens it’ll be kitten or op and nerfed to hell, but let’s be honest here whatever we get the devs are going to kitten it. Like they kitten every weapon set that a thief has, so your argument is invalid in the end because i think the dev’s are going to keep it up with thieves and just kitten us so w/e we get where kittened

There was that norn in that trailer in sneakthief with a rifle and nobody thought that was a thief. But yes there is a good possibility that no matter what it is it is going to suck from the start or suck later. What is keeping me from believing that fully is that anet has been more and more careful how they handle the thief ever since the exodus. That’s really it.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Nizio Nightblade.8109:

yolo swaggins.2570:

It might be my personal opinion that rifle is a better option but I am not pushing my preferences like its fact. I’ve spent the majority of my time telling you that what you think is going on is not really going on. I already know the actual elite weapon is up in the air but I am not going around claiming that coincidences are forms of proof and judging people’s credibility by their moods.

Secondly, do you expect me to think you’de care what I have to say? Everyone who has argued for staff has used so much confirmation bias and are so desperate to roleplay Ryu Hayabusa that they’ve convinced themselves that melee staff is more or less confirmed. So they continue to hype the hell out of it based off of tiny samples and possibilities thinking they are absolute in their logic. The hype feeds off itself.

Now if I were to question you about your proof, you’de reply by saying something along the lines that it’s mere existence is proof enough. You guys have done it before. The fact is a single picture, model and an existing possibility based off a tiny sample size does not mean that melee staff is the imminent result. It doesn’t even prove its more of a possibility than any other weapon. Its just an idea, a concept, just like that fan made rifle idea.

I’ve done this too many times, Gray. Melee staff has no foundation because it is entirely fan driven with confirmation bias as it’s fuel. You intentionally leave out things that would harm your speculations. For example, that thief with that staff in that picture could also be a rev since red and black is also part of their original concept art. Compare the color scheme of the rev concept art with thief concept arts and you get one picture with black and white and just a LITTLE red. What if… that picture was meant as an idea for rev’s staff spec? That possibility is there because the color scheme matches like how the possibility of thief getting staff is there because elite spec weapons are not entirely exclusive.

And if it were true, your whole collection of “proof” and speculation would get blown out of the water. Again its a possibility but it goes to show how fragile your “proof” is. Just understand that I took the same path of logic staffers have, just not so much hype.

You would have a major valid point if it wasn’t for the fact that they changed our color scheme to red and black for specializations and the fact that in the image the staff wielder is clearly in sneak armor. If it was an idea for rev do you think rev was ever set up to be med armor??? Just seems like a huge stretch. I get that you think if staff happens it’ll be kitten or op and nerfed to hell, but let’s be honest here whatever we get the devs are going to kitten it. Like they kitten every weapon set that a thief has, so your argument is invalid in the end because i think the dev’s are going to keep it up with thieves and just kitten us so w/e we get where kittened

There was that norn in that trailer in sneakthief with a rifle and nobody thought that was a thief. But yes there is a good possibility that no matter what it is it is going to suck from the start or suck later. What is keeping me from believing that fully is that anet has been more and more careful how they handle the thief ever since the exodus. That’s really it.

Actually I did, I thought it was a thief i was so hype thinking we were getting rifle at the time I even created a topic for it when HoT was announced that looked like thief was getting rifle then everyone was like it’s more likely an engi and i was like engi with sneak armor that dev has horrible taste then. I now like to keep my expectations low so I don’t get disappointed again with this game. Right now I except us to get a weapon and some other new form of skills. I personally now think it’s going to be staff because i believe the data mine is valid. After all the data mine is batting 1.000 overall. For the utilities/elite i think it’ll be either stances or mediation.

Seabreeze.8437:

Don’t forget anime freaks that scream “kawaii no waifu” as we charge into battle.

I’m not an anime watcher, but just so you both know, it would be “kawaii waifu”. (I’ve wasted too many years being taught Japanese…)

#TeamRifle

yolo for someone who said in this thread

yolo swaggins.2570:

Instead of putting words in people’s mouths, you could be using that effort and time to making staff look more appealing. less redundant.

Your now generalizing everyone in this thread and saying that are opinions are just our bias to role play as Ryu Hayabusa(Have no clue who this is even after I googled it). Please don’t tell me why I want staff or why anyone else here wants staff.

Second you say we are leaving out things that would hurt our proof yet you just conveniently left out that every thief speculation art backdrop has the same color scheme as the staff picture.

red/grey/white/black

Acrobatics: http://i.imgur.com/amlUO41.png
Crit Strikes: http://i.imgur.com/QbDYnLc.png
Deadly Arts: http://i.imgur.com/rNAy4Jb.png
Shadow Arts: http://i.imgur.com/b4Hfris.png
Trickery: http://i.imgur.com/zk4lkuO.png

Deceptions: http://i.imgur.com/pHZ9PuG.png
Signets: http://i.imgur.com/9wPl46R.png
Traps: http://i.imgur.com/CuEYVaK.png
Tricks: http://i.imgur.com/wze76ND.png
Venoms: http://i.imgur.com/a6mgWWL.png

Staff Art: http://i.imgur.com/xA8qvVk.png

Also these now used art pieces were all datamined at the same time on the 23rd.

Along with the revenant spec artwork which if you look has way more liberties with color palettes not just red/black/and shades

Devastation: http://i.imgur.com/mSEmZGs.png
Salvation: http://i.imgur.com/320RU8r.png
Corruption: http://i.imgur.com/PYyAIhG.png
Retribution: http://i.imgur.com/ZOjtBPG.png
Invocation: http://i.imgur.com/nxkKGc0.png
Herald/Glint Line: http://i.imgur.com/6FW9xD2.png

Jallis: http://i.imgur.com/TSwmeUt.png
Mallyx: http://i.imgur.com/ixKE9AC.png
Ventari: http://i.imgur.com/zJVdFJI.png
Shiro: http://i.imgur.com/nAs2Oge.png

So I don’t think that artwork goes with Revenant it could fit I will definitely give you that.

What else are you conveniently leaving out…
That all these things were data mined together on the 23rd and have been 100% accurate.

What has been accurate up to this point from that datamine let us see. We have here
The Revenant Devastation and Shiro artwork before it was revealed on the week of Jul 17
http://i.imgur.com/mSEmZGs.png
http://i.imgur.com/nAs2Oge.png

The Herald/Glint artwork before it was revealed this week
http://i.imgur.com/6FW9xD2.png
the Herald’s shield
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/gw2-ascended-shield.jpg

The tempest artwork before tempest was revealed on the week of Jul 24th.
http://i.imgur.com/AoGISvd.png
The tempest’s warhorn
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/gw2-ascended-warhorn.jpg

All these nice things that were confirmed for elite specs prior to jun 23rd
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/gw2-ascended-greatsword.jpg
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/gw2-ascended-longbow.jpg
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/gw2-engineer-helmet.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/I50e1iB.png
http://imgur.com/Hgxwwxv
http://imgur.com/qrWWTTY

All from that same data mine on the 23rd.

You so conveniently like to leave out that the evidence we are pulling from has been very accurate up to this point. So no the existence of the picture is not proof the credibility (100% accuracy so far) of the data mine gives the picture and model more credibility.

DISCLAIMER! BECAUSE I KNOW YOU ARE GONNA SAY THAT I THINK WE ARE 100% GUARANTEED TO GET STAFF BECAUSE I POSTED THIS I AM GONNA MAKE THIS REALLY BIG. THIS IS ALL SPECULATION THIEF STAFF IS NO WAY CONFIRMED I AM NOT ARENA NET. THE EVIDENCE JUST POINTS TO THIEF GETTING STAFF.

Edit: Sorry for the caps not trying to be mean just trying to get my point across.

Thank you, sebradle, for emphasizing what I’ve been trying to say all along.

Also yolo, my favorite ninja turtle is Donatello. Just letting you know so you can use that fun fact against me.

Seabreeze.8437:

Thank you, sebradle, for emphasizing what I’ve been trying to say all along.

Also yolo, my favorite ninja turtle is Donatello. Just letting you know so you can use that fun fact against me.

Dang that reminds me I totally forgot to post a ninja in my post.

considering how unexpectedly fun the Kunoichi is in BDO (and that’s compared to classes like valkyrie which is a joy to play. i mean it’s got a jesus beam) I’m hopeful for a ninja spec. could finally get me into theif beyond p/p. i know it would never get a double jump that can be comboed midair like the Kunoichi but hope is hope right?

All the male human characters would love staff because if it has the same animation as holding a GS, it totally completes the Billy Kane look.

Maugetarr.6823:

Sagat.3285:

Maugetarr.6823:

Sagat.3285:

Maugetarr.6823:

How about OH sword so we can tell Tempests that we stole their weapon?

Isn’t that rumored impossible since we have MH dagger?

I see nothing wrong with switching back and forth between D/S and S/D.

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It seems odd the primary reason for OH sword is because we already have MH sword but isn’t rev’s s/s what thieves want? It seems less likely then either staff or rifle to be honest but that’s just my opinion.

Well, warrior and mes also have OH sword. It seems odd that we can’t be ambidextrous as well. We’re the only class that combos our weapons (dual attacks) and can dual wield all of our other weapons (barring SB) so dual wielding our other weapon just makes sense that it would take a little more training. We’re probably getting a 2h weapon though cause it will be easier to balance.

War is literally a master of weapons and have duel wielding as a theme which is different from ours,mesmer doesn’t have MH pistol,guard doesn’t have OH sword or mace either if anything ranger has more chance to get OH sword than us. Rifle and staff are both 2 handed weapons and we only have 1 2H that everybody uses would be nice to see a possible change.

Man this thread won’t stop. It’s almost as if you want Colin to come to everybody’s home and personally tells them “Yes it is a staff…” Forget about the rifle guys this 1200 range rifle hype is dead. let it go boys. Embrace the staff wether you hate anime or anything ninja related, just hug it out with it. Staves don’t bite back.

@YOLOSWAGGINS, as native French speaker, just wanted to let you know you made a mistake in your signature. It’s written “Liaison”. Even though in English it’s pronounced the way you wrote it. It’s been bugging me since yesterday, and I am not sure if you can send private messages in forums. In any case it would be too late. Not trying to push you or anything.

Personally, when I think about it, there’s really no weapon I don’t want to see on my thief.
But, yeah my preference goes to the staff (The upcoming skins for it look great). I’m pumped

Tabootrinket.2631:

Personally, when I think about it, there’s really no weapon I don’t want to see on my thief.
But, yeah my preference goes to the staff (The upcoming skins for it look great). I’m pumped

does this mean staff’ll bring burning?

Gray.9041:

Tabootrinket.2631:

Personally, when I think about it, there’s really no weapon I don’t want to see on my thief.
But, yeah my preference goes to the staff (The upcoming skins for it look great). I’m pumped

does this mean staff’ll bring burning?

Oh my god, that would be HEAVEN (And we do lack burning)!!! For us I mean… but hell on the other side
(but basically the image represents what my thief would look like loosely)

Tabootrinket.2631:

Gray.9041:

Tabootrinket.2631:

Personally, when I think about it, there’s really no weapon I don’t want to see on my thief.
But, yeah my preference goes to the staff (The upcoming skins for it look great). I’m pumped

does this mean staff’ll bring burning?

Oh my god, that would be HEAVEN (And we do lack burning)!!! For us I mean… but hell on the other side

if I’m honest, I don’t really want burning. I’d much rather have Poison and Bleed (which fit thief much better) be half-decent.

but failing that, call me Fire-Fist Gray.