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Posted by: Seabreeze.8437

Seabreeze.8437

Oh my god, that would be HEAVEN (And we do lack burning)!!! For us I mean… but hell on the other side
(but basically the image represents what my thief would look like loosely)

Sabo, eh? Nice. They do have a couple of top hat skins, and with the plethora of coats the medium armor set has, you should be able to pull off that look pretty easily.

That’s One Piece, though. You should be careful about posting… you know…

<_<

>_>

…anime.

Because apparently that’s the only reason we want a melee staff. (shrugs)

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Posted by: Gray.9041

Gray.9041

Oh my god, that would be HEAVEN (And we do lack burning)!!! For us I mean… but hell on the other side
(but basically the image represents what my thief would look like loosely)

Sabo, eh? Nice. They do have a couple of top hat skins, and with the plethora of coats the medium armor set has, you should be able to pull off that look pretty easily.

That’s One Piece, though. You should be careful about posting… you know…

<_<

>_>

…anime.

Because apparently that’s the only reason we want a melee staff. (shrugs)

I never even said I wanted a staff. just that it seems most likely.

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Posted by: Shadow.1345

Shadow.1345

It might be my personal opinion that rifle is a better option but I am not pushing my preferences like its fact. I’ve spent the majority of my time telling you that what you think is going on is not really going on. I already know the actual elite weapon is up in the air but I am not going around claiming that coincidences are forms of proof and judging people’s credibility by their moods.

Secondly, do you expect me to think you’de care what I have to say? Everyone who has argued for staff has used so much confirmation bias and are so desperate to roleplay Ryu Hayabusa that they’ve convinced themselves that melee staff is more or less confirmed. So they continue to hype the hell out of it based off of tiny samples and possibilities thinking they are absolute in their logic. The hype feeds off itself.

Now if I were to question you about your proof, you’de reply by saying something along the lines that it’s mere existence is proof enough. You guys have done it before. The fact is a single picture, model and an existing possibility based off a tiny sample size does not mean that melee staff is the imminent result. It doesn’t even prove its more of a possibility than any other weapon. Its just an idea, a concept, just like that fan made rifle idea.

I’ve done this too many times, Gray. Melee staff has no foundation because it is entirely fan driven with confirmation bias as it’s fuel. You intentionally leave out things that would harm your speculations. For example, that thief with that staff in that picture could also be a rev since red and black is also part of their original concept art. Compare the color scheme of the rev concept art with thief concept arts and you get one picture with black and white and just a LITTLE red. What if… that picture was meant as an idea for rev’s staff spec? That possibility is there because the color scheme matches like how the possibility of thief getting staff is there because elite spec weapons are not entirely exclusive.

And if it were true, your whole collection of “proof” and speculation would get blown out of the water. Again its a possibility but it goes to show how fragile your “proof” is. Just understand that I took the same path of logic staffers have, just not so much hype.

You keep talking about confirmation bias however you are completely overlooking very glaring points that show this is not the Revenant based on your own bias against the staff.

1.) With the last beta weekend all of the 5 spec lines had been done and that picture was not included.

2.) Revenant wears heavy armor, not medium armor. The pic clearly shows medium armor.

3.) Revenant wears a blindfold. The picture clearly shows eyes with every other part of the face covered which is the opposite of a blindfold.

4.) Herald was revealed and the elite gets a shield which completely destroys the speculation that elites will not get the same weapon.

Unless you can come up with evidence beyond the colour scheme is similar to the revenant you really don’t have much to stand on so stop telling us about a confirmation bias when the evidence supports it being for the thief rather than the revenant. Also you would need to come up with why there is no blindfold which is included in the character creation as the equipment choice and just about every picture except for the herald concept art.

Not everyone that is saying staff is saying it because they want it or want to be ninja. They are saying it because the evidence supports it so far. They already have prepurchases of the xpac which means they are moving forward so it is very unlikely they will change gears from what we have seen in the data mine because of forum posts. They are past the point of no return and have to move forward and changing from what they have would be moving backwards. In fact the ninja wannabes are asking for OH sword so they can dual wield katana. Furthermore, a 1200 range weapon isn’t the only thing the thief is lacking either. Unlike other melee classes thief lacks a 2-handed melee weapon. The profession also lacks stability, invulnerability and knockbacks.

Addendum: I am neither team rifle nor team staff, I was actually hoping for a focus OH to give more of a Shadow Mage thing for the thief but evidence points towards staff.

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Posted by: fixit.7189

fixit.7189

Wish they would announce thief weapon and elites soon….just want to know!

Elite speculation? This I have no idea.

Weapons? This can only be 1 of 4 possible choices imo; rifle, one hand mace, one hand axe, or one hand sword for offhand. Staff makes absolutely no sense to me for thief so I doubt it’s that….but you never know.

Personally, I am rooting for team two hand sword.

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Posted by: Maugetarr.6823

Maugetarr.6823

Wish they would announce thief weapon and elites soon….just want to know!

Elite speculation? This I have no idea.

Weapons? This can only be 1 of 4 possible choices imo; rifle, one hand mace, one hand axe, or one hand sword for offhand. Staff makes absolutely no sense to me for thief so I doubt it’s that….but you never know.

Personally, I am rooting for team two hand sword.

It might be last, since if they gave it to us early they’d have to go through the whole thing of “Teef specialization OP!” If they wait to announce it they can point to the other specializations. When they first announced how specialization would work they actually had to tell the stream “wait till we get to your class” because of how much it was blowing up.

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Posted by: uglydan.1638

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More likely they haven’t even started on thief elite spec.

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Posted by: Highlie.7641

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@ Sagat: I think most people assume it’s going to be a two handed weapon simply because it would take less work then say s/s d/s p/s ect.

My point on shortbow was that cluster shot started at 1200 range and was nerfed to 900.
that was my reasoning behind me stating arena net doesn’t want us to have a 1200 range wpn, (It’s an assumption like most of the other posts here)

I believe the thief will be last due to the massive amount of QQ we are going to see. I would rather them be next, so we (the thief community) can put in some input.

Either way staff/Rifle/Torch/Gs/Fist wpns it’s all good, At least we had a topic to discuss for the past few mnts, this forum was getting pretty stale.

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Posted by: Maugetarr.6823

Maugetarr.6823

@ Sagat: I think most people assume it’s going to be a two handed weapon simply because it would take less work then say s/s d/s p/s ect.

Yeah, look at the nightmare that it is balancing pistol skills for both P/P and P/D. It’s a lot easier to give us a 2 handed weapon and balance the 5 skills around each other than worrying about the interaction with 2-3 other sets which have entirely different playstyles.

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Posted by: Highlie.7641

Highlie.7641

Yeah i kinda copied what you said maugetarr, my bad i didn’t look at page 4 before posting

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Posted by: fixit.7189

fixit.7189

More likely they haven’t even started on thief elite spec.

Judging by the mess I saw in the last BWE….this is more than likely the case; HoT is far far FAR from completion and that is quite apparent.

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Posted by: Sagat.3285

Sagat.3285

More likely they haven’t even started on thief elite spec.

If they take a break after Herald’s POI I’ll believe you.

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Posted by: Maugetarr.6823

Maugetarr.6823

More likely they haven’t even started on thief elite spec.

If they take a break after Herald’s POI I’ll believe you.

Keep in mind they still have forge, berserker, and the druid that could all come before whatever we’re getting.

Edit: I think they’ve actually been on it for a while because shortly after they mentioned HoT, one of the devs at a convention said they were most excited for the thief elite spec, which leads me to think that we might actually think it’s pretty cool but the rest of the community might think it’s OP so they’re keeping it in reserve.

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Posted by: Gray.9041

Gray.9041

More likely they haven’t even started on thief elite spec.

If they take a break after Herald’s POI I’ll believe you.

Keep in mind they still have forge, berserker, and the druid that could all come before whatever we’re getting.

Edit: I think they’ve actually been on it for a while because shortly after they mentioned HoT, one of the devs at a convention said they were most excited for the thief elite spec, which leads me to think that we might actually think it’s pretty cool but the rest of the community might think it’s OP so they’re keeping it in reserve.

remember that this is from the post expecting Dragonhunter to be a crowd-pleaser.

take with many pinches of salt.

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Posted by: Shadow.1345

Shadow.1345

More likely they haven’t even started on thief elite spec.

If they take a break after Herald’s POI I’ll believe you.

Keep in mind they still have forge, berserker, and the druid that could all come before whatever we’re getting.

Edit: I think they’ve actually been on it for a while because shortly after they mentioned HoT, one of the devs at a convention said they were most excited for the thief elite spec, which leads me to think that we might actually think it’s pretty cool but the rest of the community might think it’s OP so they’re keeping it in reserve.

remember that this is from the post expecting Dragonhunter to be a crowd-pleaser.

take with many pinches of salt.

It also said “Mesmer specialization should shake up the sPvP landscape the most” and after playing with Zeromis over last weekend I can agree with that statement.

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Posted by: Maugetarr.6823

Maugetarr.6823

More likely they haven’t even started on thief elite spec.

If they take a break after Herald’s POI I’ll believe you.

Keep in mind they still have forge, berserker, and the druid that could all come before whatever we’re getting.

Edit: I think they’ve actually been on it for a while because shortly after they mentioned HoT, one of the devs at a convention said they were most excited for the thief elite spec, which leads me to think that we might actually think it’s pretty cool but the rest of the community might think it’s OP so they’re keeping it in reserve.

remember that this is from the post expecting Dragonhunter to be a crowd-pleaser.

take with many pinches of salt.

DH (other than the name) seems to be a mixed bag of like and dislike.

“Mesmer elite spec likely to shake up PvP landscape the most” seems pretty accurate.

1.5ish for 2 so far. We’ll see how accurate it stays if forge and druid come out first.

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Posted by: Odyssey.2613

Odyssey.2613

Rumor has it thieves are getting the riding crop weapon and ball gag mask because evidently all the Justin Bieber haircut sporting emo adults @ Anet took the afternoon off and went to the early screening of 50 Shades of Gray.

That’s what I heard….

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Posted by: Zero Day.2594

Zero Day.2594

Rumor has it thieves are getting the riding crop weapon and ball gag mask because evidently all the Justin Bieber haircut sporting emo adults @ Anet took the afternoon off and went to the early screening of 50 Shades of Gray.

That’s what I heard….

It’s okay, no one will see is in stealth… we just have to stay stealthed…

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Posted by: Shadow.1345

Shadow.1345

This thread has pretty much changed to an argument between yolo and sebradle which is pretty much just sebradle saying “evidence points to staff” and yolo responding by throwing himself down on the ground in the middle of the aisle and throwing a temper tantrum. Can we just get a mod to close this?

EDIT: @yolo The dev team and the use of a melee staff are not bound by your imagination and what has been posted. It’s a videogame set in a high fantasy realm, it has the capacity to do anything the dev team makes it do.

Then staff is bound to suck and players are going to continue to stick with d/p SB. Maybe the spec traits would work enough for thieves to use it. But it doesn’t change the fact that staffers want to look cool over making the profession better. So if we get melee staff and it ends up how staffers wanted it, it has a high chance of turning out exactly how I said it would. And when it does, I will remind you guys so the same crap doesn’t repeat itself (hopefully).

So where is that reminder?

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Posted by: yolo swaggins.2570

yolo swaggins.2570

This thread has pretty much changed to an argument between yolo and sebradle which is pretty much just sebradle saying “evidence points to staff” and yolo responding by throwing himself down on the ground in the middle of the aisle and throwing a temper tantrum. Can we just get a mod to close this?

EDIT: @yolo The dev team and the use of a melee staff are not bound by your imagination and what has been posted. It’s a videogame set in a high fantasy realm, it has the capacity to do anything the dev team makes it do.

Then staff is bound to suck and players are going to continue to stick with d/p SB. Maybe the spec traits would work enough for thieves to use it. But it doesn’t change the fact that staffers want to look cool over making the profession better. So if we get melee staff and it ends up how staffers wanted it, it has a high chance of turning out exactly how I said it would. And when it does, I will remind you guys so the same crap doesn’t repeat itself (hopefully).

So where is that reminder?

Why should I do the reminding when most of the thief community is already singing “s/p DD meta!”. Told you staff would suck. :P

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Posted by: Shadow.1345

Shadow.1345

This thread has pretty much changed to an argument between yolo and sebradle which is pretty much just sebradle saying “evidence points to staff” and yolo responding by throwing himself down on the ground in the middle of the aisle and throwing a temper tantrum. Can we just get a mod to close this?

EDIT: @yolo The dev team and the use of a melee staff are not bound by your imagination and what has been posted. It’s a videogame set in a high fantasy realm, it has the capacity to do anything the dev team makes it do.

Then staff is bound to suck and players are going to continue to stick with d/p SB. Maybe the spec traits would work enough for thieves to use it. But it doesn’t change the fact that staffers want to look cool over making the profession better. So if we get melee staff and it ends up how staffers wanted it, it has a high chance of turning out exactly how I said it would. And when it does, I will remind you guys so the same crap doesn’t repeat itself (hopefully).

So where is that reminder?

Why should I do the reminding when most of the thief community is already singing “s/p DD meta!”. Told you staff would suck. :P

The rifle would have sucked too and probably come with kittentier traits because unless it came with infiltrator arrow it wouldn’t take shortbow out of the meta and would have just been a slightly longer ranger p/p.

And honestly, until it’s played the staff being good or bad is an unknown.

And you gotta admit those traits and utilities are pretty kittening awesome.

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Posted by: Seabreeze.8437

Seabreeze.8437

I thought this was supposed to end the fighting…

In any case, I’m super excited for staff. It looks as though it was designed for PvE, which is precisely what I play, so it totaly works for me. I couldn’t be happier (well, the animations could be better tbh, but it still looks good).

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Posted by: yolo swaggins.2570

yolo swaggins.2570

This thread has pretty much changed to an argument between yolo and sebradle which is pretty much just sebradle saying “evidence points to staff” and yolo responding by throwing himself down on the ground in the middle of the aisle and throwing a temper tantrum. Can we just get a mod to close this?

EDIT: @yolo The dev team and the use of a melee staff are not bound by your imagination and what has been posted. It’s a videogame set in a high fantasy realm, it has the capacity to do anything the dev team makes it do.

Then staff is bound to suck and players are going to continue to stick with d/p SB. Maybe the spec traits would work enough for thieves to use it. But it doesn’t change the fact that staffers want to look cool over making the profession better. So if we get melee staff and it ends up how staffers wanted it, it has a high chance of turning out exactly how I said it would. And when it does, I will remind you guys so the same crap doesn’t repeat itself (hopefully).

So where is that reminder?

Why should I do the reminding when most of the thief community is already singing “s/p DD meta!”. Told you staff would suck. :P

The rifle would have sucked too and probably come with kittentier traits because unless it came with infiltrator arrow it wouldn’t take shortbow out of the meta and would have just been a slightly longer ranger p/p.

And honestly, until it’s played the staff being good or bad is an unknown.

And you gotta admit those traits and utilities are pretty kittening awesome.

If it was designed right rifle wouldn’t need to replace shortbow. Shortbow can be pretty good in any fight if played properly. In fact, if rifle was designed as a sniper-themed weapon, you could use the rifle to get players’ HP down from afar and if they get close just switch to SB and finish them off.

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Posted by: Gray.9041

Gray.9041

I thought this was supposed to end the fighting…

In any case, I’m super excited for staff. It looks as though it was designed for PvE, which is precisely what I play, so it totaly works for me. I couldn’t be happier (well, the animations could be better tbh, but it still looks good).

I’d agree there, but I wish the Elite Skill’s animation wasn’t so PvP-centric.

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Posted by: Shadow.1345

Shadow.1345

This thread has pretty much changed to an argument between yolo and sebradle which is pretty much just sebradle saying “evidence points to staff” and yolo responding by throwing himself down on the ground in the middle of the aisle and throwing a temper tantrum. Can we just get a mod to close this?

EDIT: @yolo The dev team and the use of a melee staff are not bound by your imagination and what has been posted. It’s a videogame set in a high fantasy realm, it has the capacity to do anything the dev team makes it do.

Then staff is bound to suck and players are going to continue to stick with d/p SB. Maybe the spec traits would work enough for thieves to use it. But it doesn’t change the fact that staffers want to look cool over making the profession better. So if we get melee staff and it ends up how staffers wanted it, it has a high chance of turning out exactly how I said it would. And when it does, I will remind you guys so the same crap doesn’t repeat itself (hopefully).

So where is that reminder?

Why should I do the reminding when most of the thief community is already singing “s/p DD meta!”. Told you staff would suck. :P

The rifle would have sucked too and probably come with kittentier traits because unless it came with infiltrator arrow it wouldn’t take shortbow out of the meta and would have just been a slightly longer ranger p/p.

And honestly, until it’s played the staff being good or bad is an unknown.

And you gotta admit those traits and utilities are pretty kittening awesome.

If it was designed right rifle wouldn’t need to replace shortbow. Shortbow can be pretty good in any fight if played properly. In fact, if rifle was designed as a sniper-themed weapon, you could use the rifle to get players’ HP down from afar and if they get close just switch to SB and finish them off.

You can already do that with P/P. When traited with Ankle Shots the difference in range is about that of a melee attack and there are plenty of videos of people nuking people’s HP with the pistols post patch.

I thought this was supposed to end the fighting…

In any case, I’m super excited for staff. It looks as though it was designed for PvE, which is precisely what I play, so it totaly works for me. I couldn’t be happier (well, the animations could be better tbh, but it still looks good).

I’d agree there, but I wish the Elite Skill’s animation wasn’t so PvP-centric.

There might be some PvE content that has downed state creatures like in those Toxic Alliance events.

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Posted by: Gray.9041

Gray.9041

There might be some PvE content that has downed state creatures like in those Toxic Alliance events.

even then, it doesn’t feel like a finishing blow – it feels like a finisher. and those always felt incredibly immersion-breaking to me.

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Posted by: yolo swaggins.2570

yolo swaggins.2570

You can already do that with P/P. When traited with Ankle Shots the difference in range is about that of a melee attack and there are plenty of videos of people nuking people’s HP with the pistols post patch.

No you can’t. There is no more range on ankle shots. By the time you are finished with that first unload you are already in melee distance.

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Posted by: stof.9341

stof.9341

Ankle shot does give 150 more range on all pistol skills.

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Posted by: yolo swaggins.2570

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Posted by: Amante.8109

Amante.8109

It’s not listed on the trait tooltip, but it does. Equip it and check your pistol tooltips after.

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Posted by: Shadow.1345

Shadow.1345

Uhm, yeah it does.

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Posted by: yolo swaggins.2570

yolo swaggins.2570

I just found out. Either tooltip error or bug. :P

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Posted by: Shadow.1345

Shadow.1345

More likely intentional since they had to move the range increase from Ricochet to Ankle Shots in the coding since it actually does increase the range and not just affect the tooltip so that thieves could still trait for the increased range. Then they just forgot to fix the tooltip.

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Posted by: stof.9341

stof.9341

I think at first they merged ricochet with ankle shot, then they neutered the ricochet part for purity :o

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Posted by: Amante.8109

Amante.8109

It really annoys me too, because all of the other range increasing traits have been rolled into baseline over the last few months… except Thief’s.