Guild Wars 2

I haven’t played since the game came out, I reached max level as a thief and lost the desire to log in again.

In all this time, how has thief held up? Any major changes? Should I download the game again?

still more viable then most.
still so viable, still tons of thieves running around in pvp, still tons of thieves in top pvp team
still tons of thieves every where, still one of the top DPS PvE.
still tons of thief roamers every where in WvW.

Simon.3794:

still more viable then most.
still so viable, still tons of thieves running around in pvp, still tons of thieves in top pvp team
still tons of thieves every where, still one of the top DPS PvE.
still tons of thief roamers every where in WvW.

define most lol, thief is more viable than ranger really and maybe necro… rest is way better… pvp wise at least

Thief will always find viability in spvp because of its superior mobility and rotation and decap potential. However, in terms of actual pvp encounters, a thief is pretty much useless in comparison to other classes in team fights and struggles in 1v1 scenarios because of how tanky everyone is now (celestial is stupidly strong). If you’re fighting someone with a meta build, you’ll probably have to outplay him to win.

In PvE, he’s still very useful. In dungeons and team compositions, his ability to group stealth, aoe blind, projectile block/reflect, having cluster bomb to blast finish fields, and having the best single target dps in the game makes him a powerful asset to any team. However, there’s little reason to bring more than 1 thief.

WvWvW doesn’t matter what class you choose.

Still makes noobs qq about stealth and instakill on the forums.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Game-Over

Torqiseknite.1380:

Still makes noobs qq about stealth and instakill on the forums.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Game-Over

Holy crap.

I thought this stuff was over with.

Maugetarr.6823:

Torqiseknite.1380:

Still makes noobs qq about stealth and instakill on the forums.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Game-Over

Holy crap.

I thought this stuff was over with.

no it is not, yesterday some terrible mesmer in HJ cried rivers about how thieves are OP and he hopes they will get nerfed—————— because you know, thieves didn’t get nerfed yet~

it seems mesmers in general think theives are OP because were pretty much a direct counter to their power builds. we kill them super quick because theyre glassy, we can keep up with their shadowsteps with our own, and can counter stealth them if they manage to get one off. its been like that since the beginning, weve always blown up squishy mesmers

They’re doing ok And I’d definitely download the game again. In my opinion this game, despite it’s flaws, is leaps and bounds ahead of other mmo’s.

JaeleCt.3967:

it seems mesmers in general think theives are OP because were pretty much a direct counter to their power builds. we kill them super quick because theyre glassy, we can keep up with their shadowsteps with our own, and can counter stealth them if they manage to get one off. its been like that since the beginning, weve always blown up squishy mesmers

tbh they can blow up as fast, really depends who is better

besides for some reason they forget that thieves have hardcounters themself

Cynz.9437:

Maugetarr.6823:

Torqiseknite.1380:

Still makes noobs qq about stealth and instakill on the forums.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Game-Over

Holy crap.

I thought this stuff was over with.

no it is not, yesterday some terrible mesmer in HJ cried rivers about how thieves are OP and he hopes they will get nerfed—————— because you know, thieves didn’t get nerfed yet~

And here I thought we were to point where people thought “boy, I got outplayed” when they died to a thief…..

Maybe I’ve been spending too much time in unranked arenas.

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

Maugetarr.6823:

Torqiseknite.1380:

Still makes noobs qq about stealth and instakill on the forums.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Game-Over

Holy crap.

I thought this stuff was over with.

no it is not, yesterday some terrible mesmer in HJ cried rivers about how thieves are OP and he hopes they will get nerfed—————— because you know, thieves didn’t get nerfed yet~

And here I thought we were to point where people thought “boy, I got outplayed” when they died to a thief…..

Maybe I’ve been spending too much time in unranked arenas.

It is oddly quite on the forums though, in terms of QQ’s… maybe I need to start looking at WvW forums.

look at pvp forums, the qq is massive there… apprently thieves define meta lol

Simon.3794:

still more viable then most.
still so viable, still tons of thieves running around in pvp, still tons of thieves in top pvp team
still tons of thieves every where, still one of the top DPS PvE.
still tons of thief roamers every where in WvW.

Still many people still trying to turn thief into a still lootbag and still spouting overexaggerations in a still meta that thief still hasn’t been able to improve in because the thief killed them while they were still…. still.

Just wanted to point out something you missed.

Cynz.9437:

look at pvp forums, the qq is massive there… apprently thieves define meta lol

Man, forgot about that forum as well…
The “balance” forum was a really good go-to place for QQ’s.

Cynz.9437:

look at pvp forums, the qq is massive there… apprently thieves define meta lol

Yeah, I’ve run across those, and they have some weird logic to them. Something along the lines of thieves (and mesmers to some extent) caused the celestial meta.

Cynz.9437:

Simon.3794:

still more viable then most.
still so viable, still tons of thieves running around in pvp, still tons of thieves in top pvp team
still tons of thieves every where, still one of the top DPS PvE.
still tons of thief roamers every where in WvW.

define most lol, thief is more viable than ranger really and maybe necro… rest is way better… pvp wise at least

. thief is more viable then all zerker builds and is dominating in that area since ever, and is on like every top team, the only classes that appears more then thief are ele and engi. and probably on pair or more then warriors.
while you see so little guardian, so little ranger, so little necro, so little mesmer, so little. that’s most already.

and just a heads up, thief has always been and will be always in the meta game. unless anet do some major kitten up on it’s mechanics.

Simon.3794:

Cynz.9437:

Simon.3794:

still more viable then most.
still so viable, still tons of thieves running around in pvp, still tons of thieves in top pvp team
still tons of thieves every where, still one of the top DPS PvE.
still tons of thief roamers every where in WvW.

define most lol, thief is more viable than ranger really and maybe necro… rest is way better… pvp wise at least

. thief is more viable then all zerker builds and is dominating in that area since ever, and is on like every top team, the only classes that appears more then thief are ele and engi. and probably on pair or more then warriors.
while you see so little guardian, so little ranger, so little necro, so little mesmer, so little. that’s most already.

and just a heads up, thief has always been and will be always in the meta game. unless anet do some major kitten up on it’s mechanics.

All hail the mighty thief!

You forgot the
“All hail the mighty thief”
at the end of your post. I put it in there for you, you don’t have to thank me.

Simon.3794:

Cynz.9437:

Simon.3794:

still more viable then most.
still so viable, still tons of thieves running around in pvp, still tons of thieves in top pvp team
still tons of thieves every where, still one of the top DPS PvE.
still tons of thief roamers every where in WvW.

define most lol, thief is more viable than ranger really and maybe necro… rest is way better… pvp wise at least

. thief is more viable then all zerker builds and is dominating in that area since ever, and is on like every top team, the only classes that appears more then thief are ele and engi. and probably on pair or more then warriors.
while you see so little guardian, so little ranger, so little necro, so little mesmer, so little. that’s most already.

and just a heads up, thief has always been and will be always in the meta game. unless anet do some major kitten up on it’s mechanics.

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

look at pvp forums, the qq is massive there… apprently thieves define meta lol

Yeah, I’ve run across those, and they have some weird logic to them. Something along the lines of thieves (and mesmers to some extent) caused the celestial meta.

Lolwut. The reason why thieves are even in the current meta is because of the fact we’re in the boon-based celestial meta.

Without boon theft, there’s really no point in using them for anything in sPvP.

DeceiverX.8361:

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

look at pvp forums, the qq is massive there… apprently thieves define meta lol

Yeah, I’ve run across those, and they have some weird logic to them. Something along the lines of thieves (and mesmers to some extent) caused the celestial meta.

Lolwut. The reason why thieves are even in the current meta is because of the fact we’re in the boon-based celestial meta.

Without boon theft, there’s really no point in using them for anything in sPvP.

Not even joking. Enjoy.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/pvp/Mesmer-s-and-Thieves-the-cause-of-PvP-s-Meta/first

yolo swaggins.2570:

Simon.3794:

Cynz.9437:

Simon.3794:

still more viable then most.
still so viable, still tons of thieves running around in pvp, still tons of thieves in top pvp team
still tons of thieves every where, still one of the top DPS PvE.
still tons of thief roamers every where in WvW.

define most lol, thief is more viable than ranger really and maybe necro… rest is way better… pvp wise at least

. thief is more viable then all zerker builds and is dominating in that area since ever, and is on like every top team, the only classes that appears more then thief are ele and engi. and probably on pair or more then warriors.
while you see so little guardian, so little ranger, so little necro, so little mesmer, so little. that’s most already.

and just a heads up, thief has always been and will be always in the meta game. unless anet do some major kitten up on it’s mechanics.

Tell me which part of it being exaggeration.

the thief have always been in the meta part
or the part where i said only engi and ele appears more then thief on competitive scene?

DeceiverX.8361:

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

look at pvp forums, the qq is massive there… apprently thieves define meta lol

Yeah, I’ve run across those, and they have some weird logic to them. Something along the lines of thieves (and mesmers to some extent) caused the celestial meta.

Lolwut. The reason why thieves are even in the current meta is because of the fact we’re in the boon-based celestial meta.

Without boon theft, there’s really no point in using them for anything in sPvP.

I’m sorry what, dp trickery thief and 26060 sd ( now 20066 cuz steal line op) have been in the meta before celestial is even viable.

Simon.3794:

DeceiverX.8361:

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

look at pvp forums, the qq is massive there… apprently thieves define meta lol

Yeah, I’ve run across those, and they have some weird logic to them. Something along the lines of thieves (and mesmers to some extent) caused the celestial meta.

Lolwut. The reason why thieves are even in the current meta is because of the fact we’re in the boon-based celestial meta.

Without boon theft, there’s really no point in using them for anything in sPvP.

I’m sorry what, dp trickery thief and 26060 sd ( now 20066 cuz steal line op ) have been in the meta before celestial is even viable.

Steal line necessary cuz steal severely underwhelming without it.

Simon.3794:

Tell me which part of it being exaggeration.

the thief have always been in the meta part
or the part where i said only engi and ele appears more then thief on competitive scene?

In bold.

Simon.3794:

. thief is more viable then all zerker builds and is dominating in that area since ever, and is on like every top team, the only classes that appears more then thief are ele and engi. and probably on pair or more then warriors.
while you see so little guardian, so little ranger, so little necro, so little mesmer, so little. that’s most already.

and just a heads up, thief has always been and will be always in the meta game. unless anet do some major kitten up on it’s mechanics.

1. The only reason why everyone else is pushed out of the zerk meta is because there are plenty of bad players who can’t dodge or take advantage of their active defenses, becoming free lootbags in zerker. Its safer and easier to slap your keyboard while your fragile glass opponent dies using tanky gear, especially when your profession has the boons and defenses to effectively augment the stats. Meanwhile…
2. Any stat that does not assist with damage is useless to the thief. Thief is going to run either zerker or dire (maybe carrion) because the thief’s defense is designed to be purely active. In no way is thief able to soak up damage reliably. They do not have direct access to defensive boons other than regen, healing coefficients are arguably the lowest in the game, condition cleanse is restricted to stealth or sword #2 and the only stunbreak worth slotting is Shadowstep. And Shadowstep’s 2 stunbreaks makes up for the other stunbreaks thief has simply because the rest of them suck.
3. Warrior is still an asset that can still provide in every role of combat. It isn’t as a popular choice as it was nowadays because the community has wised up and realized that war is go-to profession if you need the profession to carry you. Albeit it doesn’t mean it’ll make you an instant god at the game, but it’s simplistic handling will help you understand the game mechanics better. In which case, players who already know the game’s mechanics well enough move onto other professions because war gets real boring, real quick.
4. On the other end of the spectrum, the community wised up and sees that thief is trash. It does nothing beyond ganking and stealthing. It supports better with finishers more than it’s support utilities and traits. But aside from that, a thief cannot effectively do anything beyond them unless the player is a kitten with it. So the only people you see on it are bad players who think its OP, die hards and ex-thieves who only want nostalgia or are testing out patches. Because they are on other professions every other time. Every thief you see in every professional team is good at it. They are the 5%.
5. And your last statement is WHOLLY wrong. Thief is not and never will be part of any bunker meta due to #2. When the bunker meta became popular, the complaints shifted from “Thief killed me” to “Thief keeps resetting and running away”. And this was because of the chain of nerfs that eventually lead to 3 and 4. Now the thief exists because you can’t have an MMORPG without rouges. If thief is to ever participate in the meta at any degree, anet NEEDS to add diversity by modifying the direction and design philosophy of the profession itself.

And a good place to start is with these ideas:
Long Range Capability

Everything Else

Well designed and imaginative ideas from one thief. And he even did the math for them!

I agree that thief is only on teams because of mobility.

I would say bow needs buff… some type of better traits or something. Its the only answer without making thief op.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Simon.3794:

Tell me which part of it being exaggeration.

the thief have always been in the meta part
or the part where i said only engi and ele appears more then thief on competitive scene?

In bold.

Simon.3794:

. thief is more viable then all zerker builds and is dominating in that area since ever, and is on like every top team, the only classes that appears more then thief are ele and engi. and probably on pair or more then warriors.
while you see so little guardian, so little ranger, so little necro, so little mesmer, so little. that’s most already.

and just a heads up, thief has always been and will be always in the meta game. unless anet do some major kitten up on it’s mechanics.

1. The only reason why everyone else is pushed out of the zerk meta is because there are plenty of bad players who can’t dodge or take advantage of their active defenses, becoming free lootbags in zerker. Its safer and easier to slap your keyboard while your fragile glass opponent dies using tanky gear, especially when your profession has the boons and defenses to effectively augment the stats. Meanwhile…
2. Any stat that does not assist with damage is useless to the thief. Thief is going to run either zerker or dire (maybe carrion) because the thief’s defense is designed to be purely active. In no way is thief able to soak up damage reliably. They do not have direct access to defensive boons other than regen, healing coefficients are arguably the lowest in the game, condition cleanse is restricted to stealth or sword #2 and the only stunbreak worth slotting is Shadowstep. And Shadowstep’s 2 stunbreaks makes up for the other stunbreaks thief has simply because the rest of them suck.
3. Warrior is still an asset that can still provide in every role of combat. It isn’t as a popular choice as it was nowadays because the community has wised up and realized that war is go-to profession if you need the profession to carry you. Albeit it doesn’t mean it’ll make you an instant god at the game, but it’s simplistic handling will help you understand the game mechanics better. In which case, players who already know the game’s mechanics well enough move onto other professions because war gets real boring, real quick.
4. On the other end of the spectrum, the community wised up and sees that thief is trash. It does nothing beyond ganking and stealthing. It supports better with finishers more than it’s support utilities and traits. But aside from that, a thief cannot effectively do anything beyond them unless the player is a kitten with it. So the only people you see on it are bad players who think its OP, die hards and ex-thieves who only want nostalgia or are testing out patches. Because they are on other professions every other time. Every thief you see in every professional team is good at it. They are the 5%.
5. And your last statement is WHOLLY wrong. Thief is not and never will be part of any bunker meta due to #2. When the bunker meta became popular, the complaints shifted from “Thief killed me” to “Thief keeps resetting and running away”. And this was because of the chain of nerfs that eventually lead to 3 and 4. Now the thief exists because you can’t have an MMORPG without rouges. If thief is to ever participate in the meta at any degree, anet NEEDS to add diversity by modifying the direction and design philosophy of the profession itself.

And a good place to start is with these ideas:
Long Range Capability

Everything Else

Well designed and imaginative ideas from one thief. And he even did the math for them!

Lol what, Do you even know what is a meta, meta is set by the top players, you are basically saying theres no zerker meta, because top players can’t dodge. cool sauce.

thief will never be in the bunker meta? do you have eyes? can you see?
before spending too much time wasting time typing non sense, it’s better if you just go and get to know the game better.

Simon.3794:

Lol what, Do you even know what is a meta, meta is set by the top players, you are basically saying theres no zerker meta, because top players can’t dodge. cool sauce.

thief will never be in the bunker meta? do you have eyes? can you see?
before spending too much time wasting time typing non sense, it’s better if you just go and get to know the game better.

That’s a nice straw man you have there. Counter my whole argument or don’t respond at all.

Yes I do know what a meta is. It is determined not by top players but by what the majority plays or what is guaranteed and proven to be most effective. For example, celestial/might-stacking. A top player might play one thing but that doesn’t mean it works for everyone else. Everyone is not top-tier material, as much as they like to think they are. Especially in this game where the person who lets their build carry them more usually loses. Why do you think people come here and complain?

And secondly no, thief will never be in the bunker meta. If you had any experience with thief at all, which your post history will not show, thief can’t tank to save its life. It’s defenses are based on avoidance. But then again, you are probably the type to think resetting, stealth and evasion equates to tanking (given your post history).

yolo swaggins.2570:

Simon.3794:

Lol what, Do you even know what is a meta, meta is set by the top players, you are basically saying theres no zerker meta, because top players can’t dodge. cool sauce.

thief will never be in the bunker meta? do you have eyes? can you see?
before spending too much time wasting time typing non sense, it’s better if you just go and get to know the game better.

That’s a nice straw man you have there. Counter my whole argument or don’t respond at all.

Yes I do know what a meta is. It is determined not by top players but by what the majority plays or what is guaranteed and proven to be most effective. For example, celestial/might-stacking. A top player might play one thing but that doesn’t mean it works for everyone else. Everyone is not top-tier material, as much as they like to think they are. Especially in this game where the person who lets their build carry them more usually loses. Why do you think people come here and complain?

And secondly no, thief will never be in the bunker meta. If you had any experience with thief at all, which your post history will not show, thief can’t tank to save its life. It’s defenses are based on avoidance. But then again, you are probably the type to think resetting, stealth and evasion equates to tanking (given your post history).

No, it is not determined by the normal players, it is determined by the top players, do you think people started playing cele rifle engi and cele shoutheal war just like that? do you think people started playing 20066 sd thief just like that?

no, people started to play it, because they saw 5g played it in tournament, people play it because they saw Tarcis played it in tournament and it was effective. people play it because they saw sizer played it in tournament.

top players will always find the most effective build, find the best low risk high reward builds , as in they have more experience in 5v5 to know what is more effective. and normal players will use them as in these are the builds that has the lowest risk and highest reward.
doesnt mean there are no exception of a few smart normal players

and according to history, thief have being in every meta since the beginning of time, i really don’t know what you trying to argue here.

thief is in a state of play that allows survival bunkery classes 15 mistakes to your 1 all while out dmging you and out surviving you and theres nothing you can do about it.

we are currently only useful being carried on teams that run cheese like double ele double engi that allow them to 4v5 while the thief uses mobility on the map

This is high level play im talking of which probobly alot of you will disagree with because they think killing some kittenty engi or ele low level play justifies anything

PS this is cruuk and ive got plently of credibility to back up my clearly blunt forum post

10k+ tourny thief alone with r1 solo and team (in the old system without using decay)

Simon.3794:

No, it is not determined by the normal players, it is determined by the top players, do you think people started playing cele rifle engi and cele shoutheal war just like that? do you think people started playing 20066 sd thief just like that?

no, people started to play it, because they saw 5g played it in tournament, people play it because they saw Tarcis played it in tournament and it was effective. people play it because they saw sizer played it in tournament.

top players will always find the most effective build, find the best low risk high reward builds , as in they have more experience in 5v5 to know what is more effective. and normal players will use them as in these are the builds that has the lowest risk and highest reward.
doesnt mean there are no exception of a few smart normal players

and according to history, thief have being in every meta since the beginning of time, i really don’t know what you trying to argue here.

I think its obvious to say you don’t read posts nor do you know what you are talking about. So I will just respond by saying:

Play the thief instead of vying for nerfs if the profession is so powerful.

official.7362:

stuff

It’s okay. I know a thief theorycrafter of 2 years who’d agree with and back up your claims.

lol im not here to give insight theres been 2 years of that givin by people who actually put in countless hours on thief in pvp. Im just here to hopefully say something blunt enough that it cracks anets head loose from the pvers filled inside cause im sure 80% of you here are just that…. pvers

ps if your not going to separate balance at least separate the pve thief forums from the pvp thief forums. im betting theres some headbutting here

official.7362:

thief is in a state of play that allows survival bunkery classes 15 mistakes to your 1 all while out dmging you and out surviving you and theres nothing you can do about it.

we are currently only useful being carried on teams that run cheese like double ele double engi that allow them to 4v5 while the thief uses mobility on the map

This is high level play im talking of which probobly alot of you will disagree with because they think killing some kittenty engi or ele low level play justifies anything

PS this is cruuk and ive got plently of credibility to back up my clearly blunt forum post

10k+ tourny thief alone with r1 solo and team (in the old system without using decay)

that’s not the problem of thieves only, that’s the problem of all zerkers. but thief still manage to always be in the meta. shows how good thief is.

thief plays a important role in the meta (have always been imo)
basically the only class (other then mesmer and rarely seen necro) that reliably can prevent stab stomping and have insane mobility to best what a zerker supposed to do (1+ in fights) and have a decent control ability also stealth for more tactical backcap plays (sizer played it so good in china lol)

@yolo, it’s not that i don’t understand, its you who don’t understand whats the meaning of meta and even trying to argue that meta is created by normal players lol
the only “meta” that is created by normal yoloq hotjoin player is MM necro, turret engis lol.

Simon.3794:

official.7362:

thief is in a state of play that allows survival bunkery classes 15 mistakes to your 1 all while out dmging you and out surviving you and theres nothing you can do about it.

we are currently only useful being carried on teams that run cheese like double ele double engi that allow them to 4v5 while the thief uses mobility on the map

This is high level play im talking of which probobly alot of you will disagree with because they think killing some kittenty engi or ele low level play justifies anything

PS this is cruuk and ive got plently of credibility to back up my clearly blunt forum post

10k+ tourny thief alone with r1 solo and team (in the old system without using decay)

that’s not the problem of thieves only, that’s the problem of all zerkers. but thief still manage to always be in the meta. shows how good thief is.

thief plays a important role in the meta (have always been imo)
basically the only class (other then mesmer and rarely seen necro) that reliably can prevent stab stomping and have insane mobility to best what a zerker supposed to do (1+ in fights) and have a decent control ability also stealth for more tactical backcap plays (sizer played it so good in china lol)

@yolo, it’s not that i don’t understand, its you who don’t understand whats the meaning of meta and even trying to argue that meta is created by normal players lol
the only “meta” that is created by normal yoloq hotjoin player is MM necro, turret engis lol.

You’re in the Thief forum where everyone considers the class broken and useless

It’s almost as if no one watches the PvP tournaments every single week that is full of “useless” thieves – I wonder why they continue to be used

thief is only on high end teams cause everyone else is running enough cheese to carry him in 4v5s while the thief decaps. cough double engi double ele aand carry the thief while he out mobilizes ppl but guess what not everyone runs comps that allow them to win 4v5s or surivve them with ease. not to mention thief mobility is nearly just the same as any warrior or ele that can do the same dmg with more team uitilies and more survival than the theif will ever have. 3 sec faster rotations dont justify how badly we are shut down in every aoe fight or nearly every 1v1 against meta builds

once again its all about the risk vs reward factor which is laughable vs others in this game right now

Simon.3794:

@yolo, it’s not that i don’t understand, its you who don’t understand whats the meaning of meta and even trying to argue that meta is created by normal players lol
the only “meta” that is created by normal yoloq hotjoin player is MM necro, turret engis lol.

Maybe I don’t understand your definition. Because that isn’t the definition of meta.

Narkodx.1472:

You’re in the Thief forum where everyone considers the class broken and useless

It’s almost as if no one watches the PvP tournaments every single week that is full of “useless” thieves – I wonder why they continue to be used

Everyone is not PvP material nor are they top tier. Why are you basing how OP the thief is off of how well top tier pvp thieves play?

EDIT: No, you and Simon have a good history of some of the most blind hatred for the thief I have ever seen. I can’t take your words seriously because its obvious that they are based on irrationality. A thief outplayed you, get over it. I’m done trying to argue.

yolo swaggins.2570:

Simon.3794:

@yolo, it’s not that i don’t understand, its you who don’t understand whats the meaning of meta and even trying to argue that meta is created by normal players lol
the only “meta” that is created by normal yoloq hotjoin player is MM necro, turret engis lol.

Maybe I don’t understand your definition. Because that isn’t the definition of meta.

Narkodx.1472:

You’re in the Thief forum where everyone considers the class broken and useless

It’s almost as if no one watches the PvP tournaments every single week that is full of “useless” thieves – I wonder why they continue to be used

Everyone is not PvP material nor are they top tier. Why are you basing how OP the thief is off of how well top tier pvp thieves play?

EDIT: No, you and Simon have a good history of some of the most blind hatred for the thief I have ever seen. I can’t take your words seriously because its obvious that they are based on irrationality. A thief outplayed you, get over it. I’m done trying to argue.

Yea bro you got me figured out except for the fact I have 1k hours on Thief and it was my second toon to 80

Unlike most of you I do not cry about Thief being soooo weak – QQ

all is vain

ohh 1k hours……
Thieves are a lootbag, stop deluding yourself.

Highlie.7641:

ohh 1k hours……
Thieves are a lootbag, stop deluding yourself.

This is why you won’t ever get better

But yeah keep going

More forum QQ

The devs will be buffing thieves very soon! – not

official.7362:

thief is only on high end teams cause everyone else is running enough cheese to carry him in 4v5s while the thief decaps. cough double engi double ele aand carry the thief while he out mobilizes ppl but guess what not everyone runs comps that allow them to win 4v5s or surivve them with ease. not to mention thief mobility is nearly just the same as any warrior or ele that can do the same dmg with more team uitilies and more survival than the theif will ever have. 3 sec faster rotations dont justify how badly we are shut down in every aoe fight or nearly every 1v1 against meta builds

once again its all about the risk vs reward factor which is laughable vs others in this game right now

I wouldn’t really use the word carry, because carry means you know carry. but they are not carrying, 2 ele 2 engi + 1 thief form a complete team, it’s not carry because it’s a complete meta comp and there’s no better choice other then thief to fill the 5th spot

in fact, you can swap a ele for shoutheal war, an engi for necro or w/e but thief will always be there, nobody would ever give up a thief for anything not even mesmer except 1 or 2 exceptionally good mesmer players.

No, thieves mobility will always be surperior as it can go throw walls and being vertical and horizontal. the ability to get on top of mid building in treb map and get on both high ground of legacy instantly and the diengage sword 2 and stealth offer are insanely valuable for any bursting class . you need to reason yourself why this role is filled by thief (rarely by mesmer) not other classes like gs warrior or scepter ele or med guard

yolo swaggins.2570:

Everyone is not PvP material nor are they top tier. Why are you basing how OP the thief is off of how well top tier pvp thieves play?

You are basically saying, thief sucks because i’m noob. sorry for you but this game isnt balanced around noobs.

L2P issues. i’m done.

Simon.3794:

yolo swaggins.2570:

Everyone is not PvP material nor are they top tier. Why are you basing how OP the thief is off of how well top tier pvp thieves play?

You are basically saying, thief sucks because i’m noob. sorry for you but this game isnt balanced around noobs.

L2P issues. i’m done.

I am saying you have no point because you are full of crap.

You are a warrior main. Your post history shows you avidly defend it. Likewise, your post history also shows you intentionally overexaggerating thief’s abilities. It is safe to say you don’t play thief nor do you know what you are talking about. For all anyone knows, your 1k hours experience could have all been on the receiving end of a backstab.

Bye.

Narkodx.1472:

Yea bro you got me figured out except for the fact I have 1k hours on Thief and it was my second toon to 80

Unlike most of you I do not cry about Thief being soooo weak – QQ

all is vain

And you are just as bad (necro main). Don’t post unless you are going to be constructive. Bye aswell.

hm i detect anger, you must be one of the ones i killed with dagger, offhand empty or was it my epic esports pp build…. super serious…..

In english: your a joke.

Jjiinx.8795:

I haven’t played since the game came out, I reached max level as a thief and lost the desire to log in again.

In all this time, how has thief held up? Any major changes? Should I download the game again?

Thief is still viable as far as I can see, but by far the most hated profession (still). In a dungeon setting (if you pug) you will be kicked every now and then for no apparent reason so teaming up with guildies and friends is highly recommended.

PvP… uhh well. Depends on how good you are I suppose. But in my honest opinion you get the short stick as a thief compared to the other professions.

I’d still say download the game and play your thief as you like, maybe get a guild to run stuff with.

Here’s a good site for builds to get you started (again): http://metabattle.com/wiki/MetaBattle_Wiki

Have fun