How to fight other thieves?
What’s the biggest thing you’re having problems with? What spec of thief are you having the most trouble with?
[OHai] – Northern Shiverpeaks
You need to learn how to counter stealth.
Your toughest matchup is vs perplexity condi thieves. D/P can be a problem if you can’t understand their weakness.
We’ll need build and what your problems actually are to fully help tho
Well most thieves i stumble upon are either DD like me or Sw/d i don’t really see any D/P condi thieves around.
My problem with fighting any kind of thief is opening, they just burst me down really quick at the start and dodging doesn’t help much.
Are you finding that the Thieves are using basilisk venom to stun you with steal? What utilities are you using? As a newer Thief you should be at least using Shadowstep and SR, if not blinding powder as well.
Set your cast setting to instant on mouse pointer and always be ready for a Thief Steal>CnD combo, I have my Shadowstep hotkeyed to my mouse and my thumb sitting on the button at all times.
As soon as you see the enemy Thief, either open up first with a combo or be ready to disengage. If you do get hit first, as soon as you get hit, Shadowstep to get out and then turn to face the thief’s last position. At this point you want to be always moving and spinning your character around.
Please, never run in a straight line away or you’ll be eating a Backstab almost right away. Always be counting down in your head how long the Thief will be stealthed for. 75% of the time it will be 4 seconds (especially facing D/D Thieves) but be ready for 3 seconds. Don’t spam dodge, think about how close the Thief probably is and use that to determine when to dodge. I like to sometimes turn around and CnD if I have some initiative to spare, it’s great fun if you end up hitting them.
Use ambients to your advantage, always. Be aware of your surroundings, use tower walls to stealth and if you have to chain stealth to gain some footing, do it. Don’t run in Rambo style with no initiative because you will die. Unless you’re playing condi, forget Death Blossom exists.
Honestly, this will all come from experience as you grow with the class. You will learn what works and what doesn’t and when you do, you can be certain that that other Thief is thinking mostly the same way. Use this to your advantage.
I could go on and on and on but this should give you something to think about.
Good luck with it. In my opinion Thief is the most fun and rewarding class in the game, providing you’re willing to put in the effort.
Feel free to send me a mail in game or wherever if you have any other questions, I’m always happy to chat with fellow thieves.
[OHai] – Northern Shiverpeaks
d/d conditions tends to have an easier time countering thieves.
All you need for it is:
- Caltrops
- Uncatchable to dodge through your enemy
- Giver weapons
- Full Carrion and krait runes.
- Sup Sigil of Earth and w/e else
The point is to maximize bleed and cripple uptime into perma levels by using deathblossom and caltrops. Thieves do not have the condition clear to withstand the amount this build puts out nor will the constant cripple allow them to escape.
“Please stop complaining about stuff you don’t even know about.” ~Nocta
D/D is a weapon set with serious issues with other thiefs.
Alas, you can burst down then if you see then first, but if the opposite happens we don’t have access to free stealth like D/P nor teleport spam like S/D.
Trick is, D/D hits harder. You just need to make the opponent waste his stamina first and drop it down in a single rush.