Guild Wars 2

make initiative for thieves their stealth pool. put cooldowns on weapon skills. thief class fixed. good day- (oh and make any skill that gives stealth, like cnd or refuge, give initiative to compensate for the stealth they give already).something like that. just an idea. opinions on it?

You are a bit late for the alpha testing phase…

horrible idea. you would have to up there total defense about 75% making it just under what a warrior is.

Travlane.5948:

horrible idea. you would have to up there total defense about 75% making it just under what a warrior is.

or you could stack vitality and toughness, like everyone else trying to counter this OP broken class.

Lightsbane.9012:

Travlane.5948:

horrible idea. you would have to up there total defense about 75% making it just under what a warrior is.

or you could stack vitality and toughness, like everyone else trying to counter this OP broken class.

OP broken class -_-

I would like to hear your reasoning on this?

Also travlane says things just as bad as what you just said so don’t think I’m singling you out. He’s just beyond hope.

Teamkiller.4315:

Lightsbane.9012:

Travlane.5948:

horrible idea. you would have to up there total defense about 75% making it just under what a warrior is.

or you could stack vitality and toughness, like everyone else trying to counter this OP broken class.

OP broken class -_-

I would like to hear your reasoning on this?

Also travlane says things just as bad as what you just said so don’t think I’m singling you out. He’s just beyond hope.

because as a bunker engineer i’m still taking 6k backstabs. just how much armor do i need to reduce damage from a thief?

Lightsbane.9012:

Teamkiller.4315:

Lightsbane.9012:

Travlane.5948:

horrible idea. you would have to up there total defense about 75% making it just under what a warrior is.

or you could stack vitality and toughness, like everyone else trying to counter this OP broken class.

OP broken class -_-

I would like to hear your reasoning on this?

Also travlane says things just as bad as what you just said so don’t think I’m singling you out. He’s just beyond hope.

because as a bunker engineer i’m still taking 6k backstabs. just how much armor do i need to reduce damage from a thief?

if u have protection up u shouldnt be taking 6k + backstab . espeically in a bunker build. if u are….u should be able to melt that thief as they ahve low hp and even lower defense

Who said thief was broken in the first place?

thief isnt broken. could use some polishing and some insight for QQers…. most classes need polishing tho … so :P

Lightsbane.9012:

Teamkiller.4315:

Lightsbane.9012:

Travlane.5948:

horrible idea. you would have to up there total defense about 75% making it just under what a warrior is.

or you could stack vitality and toughness, like everyone else trying to counter this OP broken class.

OP broken class -_-

I would like to hear your reasoning on this?

Also travlane says things just as bad as what you just said so don’t think I’m singling you out. He’s just beyond hope.

because as a bunker engineer i’m still taking 6k backstabs. just how much armor do i need to reduce damage from a thief?

Against a certain guardian build I care not to detail but have had to pleasure of dueling against, I can say that you are likely to take 4-5k mighty blows from him with that amount of armor. Mighty blow recharges every 5 seconds, 4 if 2H weapons are traited (they are in the build) is AOE, is a gap closer, and is 300 range.

I’ve not seen one complaint from people about mighty blow. Why is that?

You would also be able to avoid a backstab by just…running around while the thief’s in stealth. If he’s bad or mediocre, he will backstab you in the front, effectively mitigating half the damage. If he’s good, he’d have a good chance of landing the backstab, but what’s wrong with a good player killing you?

Lightsbane.9012:

Teamkiller.4315:

Lightsbane.9012:

Travlane.5948:

horrible idea. you would have to up there total defense about 75% making it just under what a warrior is.

or you could stack vitality and toughness, like everyone else trying to counter this OP broken class.

OP broken class -_-

I would like to hear your reasoning on this?

Also travlane says things just as bad as what you just said so don’t think I’m singling you out. He’s just beyond hope.

because as a bunker engineer i’m still taking 6k backstabs. just how much armor do i need to reduce damage from a thief?

not sure if this will help you or not but is a pretty good engineer fighting good thief(s) …. anyway check it out. might help a lil.

Great video, finally someone that isn’t a Thief posting a great guide on how to identify a Thief (most predictable profession in the game as it’s the one with the fewest options even if it’s a weapon swap profession) and counter him.

About main topic. No, sorry but no, changing Initiative to stealth bar isn’t the right way to go (not to mention stealth isn’t even exclusive to thieves).

yeah ….80% of thief QQers are just QQing about problems that could be fixed by L2P. 20% are ones who know but still dont like us lol.

Teamkiller.4315:

Lightsbane.9012:

Travlane.5948:

horrible idea. you would have to up there total defense about 75% making it just under what a warrior is.

or you could stack vitality and toughness, like everyone else trying to counter this OP broken class.

OP broken class -_-

I would like to hear your reasoning on this?

Also travlane says things just as bad as what you just said so don’t think I’m singling you out. He’s just beyond hope.

Thief is pretty kittening broken dude.

The Game Slayer.7632:

Thief is pretty kittening broken dude.

I would just like to add that the Thief in the video isn’t a particularly good player either (he’s not horrible, but not amazing either), so before everyone says ‘oh his enemies suck’…

Edit: You know what, before I get flamed, here is a list of things that he did wrong.

1) Using Shadow Refuge with the revealed debuff on him for ~2 more seconds.
2) Using Heartseeker in stealth with the enemy facing away (Shadow Shot is better, since it guarantees Backstab)
3) Using Shadow step’s part 2 skill halfway through the stomp (perhaps to avoid the ranger downed skill)

The OP didn’t say he was having problems with thieves, as a bunker engineer he will be killing them (especially GC ones) easily. He just said he was being hit my 6k backstabs and doesn’t like it very much.

If he is dieing to GC thieves on a bunker engineer… there is a different problem here.

you mean how to banish thief
no thx:
thief damage source is initiative
cut it down , and you lose the burst
but we can compensate if thief summon an clone whenever he dodge (like mesmers) heal for 1000 when dodge (like guardians) or have 20 weapon skills (like elementalists)
change skills to 1200 leap range (like other classes got) or maybe they just should be albe to equip kits like engineirs have ( wait i got cooldown , i change to grenades, wait cooldown again i change the kit).
Thief: wait i got cooldown, afk can’t kill you with autoattacks with my 10k hp/1900 armor
You can’t demand cooldowns without an fluid rotation.

I for one have for long wondered..why do developers always and every single time insist on breaking their own game with " cheat" class, when it goes to MMO’s.
You just cant make stealthing class that would not be OP.
If anything its marvelous way to shoo people away to other games.
It’ll also be (near)impossible to fix. As sad as it might be to admit..we cant help them.

Lightsbane.9012:

Teamkiller.4315:

Lightsbane.9012:

Travlane.5948:

horrible idea. you would have to up there total defense about 75% making it just under what a warrior is.

or you could stack vitality and toughness, like everyone else trying to counter this OP broken class.

OP broken class -_-

I would like to hear your reasoning on this?

Also travlane says things just as bad as what you just said so don’t think I’m singling you out. He’s just beyond hope.

because as a bunker engineer i’m still taking 6k backstabs. just how much armor do i need to reduce damage from a thief?

So you’re basing your opinion off of how the worst class in the game survives against one of the better ones (and not even the best)?

Sunflowers.1729:

The Game Slayer.7632:

Thief is pretty kittening broken dude.

I would just like to add that the Thief in the video isn’t a particularly good player either (he’s not horrible, but not amazing either), so before everyone says ‘oh his enemies suck’…

Edit: You know what, before I get flamed, here is a list of things that he did wrong.

1) Using Shadow Refuge with the revealed debuff on him for ~2 more seconds.
2) Using Heartseeker in stealth with the enemy facing away (Shadow Shot is better, since it guarantees Backstab)
3) Using Shadow step’s part 2 skill halfway through the stomp (perhaps to avoid the ranger downed skill)

your eye is keep young grasshopper but not keen enough.

i didnt cast refuge while revealed. rewatch. i was eithe rmoved or pushed out of refuged intitally and restealthed me at last moment.

the shadow step stomp was used in response to a fear that was used to great space. i countred that and as i was stomping the ranger i still had it active and if u noticed he missed hs KD by me using return :P]… so it wasnt used to STOMP the ranger. i had return left over and used it to avoid KD+dmg

shadow shot is a gamble…. yes certain points i could have used it but IF and only IF it missed then im in the position where i dont know for sure i can catch up having wasted 4 intiative on a miss and still not any farther.