Guild Wars 2

Wow, the lack of control is insane. After playing your class (and sufficiently stomping you guys as about any class I play) I have to say that your nerfs really are uncalled for. I would post this in the other thread, but I think it needs to be heard by a non-thief player. I can’t believe how easy it is for other classes to escape your pistol whip, track you down while in stealth as if it’s not even there (not like blind-on-stealth helps any) and just decimate any hope you have of playing with constant knockbacks and stealth-hitting.

Maybe call me a noob at the class, go ahead — but I know after examining all of the weapon skills and traits and utilities that, unfortunately, this class is way under par compared to the rest. I’ll even say it’s worse-off than necromancer, which is really only truly bad when people try to use the bugged skills. Thieves don’t have much of a “stunlock” when glitchy melee distancing literally kills any hope of getting attacks in (yes, this is after sword #2), and traps work about 10% of the time.

I feel as though the easy solution would be a ranger-esque melee combat style or more ranged lock-down utilities that don’t involve shadowstepping into a kittenstorm.

Shsh. Do not let them to actually find out that necros are op even with bugs. Do you know how much easier is it for me to kill a thief than a necro? I wasn’t playing whole day when i tried necro for the first time and had 40k hp with elite in arena

Yay someone that feels our pain.
We have to pray on noobs in order to be good.

Ichishi.9613:

Shsh. Do not let them to actually find out that necros are op even with bugs. Do you know how much easier is it for me to kill a thief than a necro? I wasn’t playing whole day when i tried necro for the first time and had 40k hp with elite in arena

Heh necros aren’t too bad. They do have a bunch of HP though! But in terms of actually ending a fight in your favor, necro is one of the weakest since most of GW2 is built with quick bursty damage in mind.

Yup, and then people complain about them being OP in WvW of all things……so they nerf more stuff :-P

I love playing Thief. It’s my favorite class but there are definitely many ways I would love to see it made more viable for serious PvP (as opposed to killing pugs and then seeing them post here about how badly they were rocked…..which is basically complaining about how bad they are at this game).

I play mostly shortbow with my only stealth being hide in shadows. I also, never use the berserker’s amulet, and have 30 points into acrobatics in my current build.

So, seems I’m already going by your guidelines and doing much better than when I use the backstab build.

I agree with OP, we are severely under powered and need more buffs than nerfs, we don’t have that much burst and when it comes down to it we have one of the smallest HP pools. a few seconds of stealth while we can still get hit means very bad mechanics, we need stealth to make us invulnerable for the period.

snaplemouton.1294:

All of the thieves here saying their profession is fine. I DARE YOU to play with maximum of 1 stealth and without using D/D at all. If you do so, you will be on par with other professions. A friendly tip : You have an ability called WEAPON SWAP and stats called THOUGHNESS and VITALITY. Berserker amulet isn’t the only amulet the vendor has.

Actually I’ve mostly played as D/P, thank you very much. Had about the same success rate as I do with D/D. Played as a S/P for a while but it’s kind of lacking in most situations, especially if haste isn’t available. Still got a heavy nerf, though.

snaplemouton.1294:

Is this a troll post or what? Lack of control?
Don’t make me laugh.

As a player who played every professions. Mainly elementalist. When I tried thief in sPvP I basically was playing my face on my desk wondering why I could kill people by playing with 1 finger and not even looking at my screen. Then the heartseeker nerf came. I tried thief again, just to ponder on why weapon skills deserved to have no CD at all on them, why the damage was so kitten high on all the attacks, how come I could play with no traits at all and still do fine, why can I be perma stealthed…
I’m sorry, but I don’t feel for thieves at all.
Out of the 8 professions I’ve played in sPvP, the thief is by VERY FAR the most faceroll, easy and OP profession of them all. It as the HIGHEST damage and the HIGHEST survivability. Even a mesmer can’t compete with that amount of stealth and rendering bugs. If you get kill in stealth it’s not because thief is bad, it’s because YOU are bad.

Out of every single MMO I ever played, this is the most broken stealth mechanism I ever saw.

All of the thieves here saying their profession is fine. I DARE YOU to play with maximum of 1 stealth and without using D/D at all. If you do so, you will be on par with other professions. A friendly tip : You have an ability called WEAPON SWAP and stats called THOUGHNESS and VITALITY. Berserker amulet isn’t the only amulet the vendor has.

When thief swap weapon, magically, their initiative is full and they can use every skill available. Seriously.
And yes, i don’t play with D/D either, and yes my thief is using power/vit/tough too. So your point is?

Sword skill 2 immobilizes 1sec, giving you plenty of time to land a Pistol Whip stun.
That you apparently didn’t know this speaks volumes about your claim to have examined all weapons/traits.

Stunlocks also have no place in any game searching to be competitive.

Stealth is only really good against people who don’t have any patience, experience or quite frankly are of average intelligence, mostly because it’s easy to work out where the thief will appear after using a stealth (away from the danger if they are sub 70% health).

Af far as damage is concerned, most of it comes from out #1 slot, sure there are a bunch of backstab builds that do high burst… but they are getting changed, after that one will have P/x condition (slow and boring), D/x blunted burst (blunted and mobile), S/x (immobilize and auto-attack of doom) and SB (condition or heavy but slow damage)… so essentially 4 build variations based on our MH weapon, but the builds aren’t terribly fantastic or interesting else people would be using then more as of now.

YumCHA.8706:

This thread is clearly a troll. The fact that the moderators stated they’re going to do something about these issues due to the unforeseen results that had happened, clearly states something is wrong with the thief class. By wrong I mean Overpowered.

Hate all you want but this is the truth.

If someone expressing his opinion about something is a troll, then aren’t we all just trolls floating around in the miasma of trollfulness that is the internet. And saying something is the truth doesn’t make it the truth.

Hate all you want but this is the truth.

Well with our mobility we can CC. I don’t feel OP or UP.. On my guardian I can feel OP.. But UP when I have to escape

It’s interesting being called a troll by people who turn around and delete their posts right after.

No, this isn’t a troll. Thieves are underpowered. And everyone is ridiculous for targeting thieves as if enough isn’t enough. They get nerfed severely and people STILL cry out for nerfs. And guess what? I play an elementalist! Gee, isn’t that the most underpowered class that everyone whines and moans about being broken compared to everyone else?

This forum community is a joke — thieves need buffed.

Coffeebot.3921:

Stealth is only really good against people who don’t have any patience, experience or quite frankly are of average intelligence, mostly because it’s easy to work out where the thief will appear after using a stealth (away from the danger if they are sub 70% health).

Af far as damage is concerned, most of it comes from out #1 slot, sure there are a bunch of backstab builds that do high burst… but they are getting changed, after that one will have P/x condition (slow and boring), D/x blunted burst (blunted and mobile), S/x (immobilize and auto-attack of doom) and SB (condition or heavy but slow damage)… so essentially 4 build variations based on our MH weapon, but the builds aren’t terribly fantastic or interesting else people would be using then more as of now.

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Absolutely right!

We have the lowest combination of weapon possible, if we take in consideration the utility belt for the engineer and the 4 attunements thigny of the ele.

In addition, the thief cannot heal his teammate, except with combo finisher, like everyone else. They thief cannot buff his teammate, except if he take the share poison skill or Shadow Refuge. If the thief decides to help the group by debuffing the mob, his DPS becomes very low since each debuff cost a lot of initiative and since we want to keep our debuff on the mob, we keep our initiative for that purpose.

So, I think, due to the above, it’s normal that we have a higher dps, because it’s almost the only thing the class can do. Give us more combination of weapon and more group utility skills, and then, we can talk about nerfing the dps without any problem in my opinion.

Kevingway.8170:

It’s interesting being called a troll by people who turn around and delete their posts right after.

No, this isn’t a troll. Thieves are underpowered. And everyone is ridiculous for targeting thieves as if enough isn’t enough. They get nerfed severely and people STILL cry out for nerfs. And guess what? I play an elementalist! Gee, isn’t that the most underpowered class that everyone whines and moans about being broken compared to everyone else?

This forum community is a joke — thieves need buffed.

Nah, Rangers have it worse than Elementalists. Much worse. My Ranger alt weeps during combat……as if being killed and/or unable to kill anything over and over wasn’t bad enough.

Kevingway is right in a sense. There’s only one single build that allows thieves to play like a dueling artist, and I wish there are more of such builds.

I’m glad someone agrees. I see tons of people counter statements like these with “There are tons of builds for thieves that offer better survivability,” and that may be true, but only if I expect to pump out enough damage to kill the chickens and cows in the game. Thieves are the equivalent to rogues; rogues are suppose to dish out insane damage in just a couple seconds because they have lower health and armor. I guess people can’t wrap that around their mind though, and the warrior should easy kill me with one ability. Makes a lot of sense.

andrewjt.7032:

Thieves are the equivalent to rogues; rogues are suppose to dish out insane damage in just a couple seconds because they have lower health and armor.

Nope, that’s what YOU think a Thief should be all about; at best it should be one of multiple viable playstyles which it is.