Guild Wars 2

all i want is for them to make a post in regards to how they are feeling about thieves, what abilities they are looking at, what they think of them, how they are going to buff/nerf/fix them, etc.

i want this so instead of people complaining about thieves, i can throw that post at there faces adn they can see whats coming and be thankful, and/or whine how its unfair.

im getting sick and tired of trying to defend the profession of my choice simply cuz so many people refuse to use defensive traits/skills, refuse to interrupt casts, refuse to apply any form of critical thinking to a sitaution other then tunneling there current target, and come here adn cry about things.

You don’t need to defend the profession of your choice. When people criticise it, they are not criticising you, and it is in no way your fault that there are elements of the class that need adjustment – probably that is true of most classes.

It’s sad, but I guess human nature, that people find it hard to be objective about their own classes. It’s been true of every class in every game since the dawn of MMOs.

It would probably be quite enlightening if we could go back and re-read some of the defenses bright wizards made in WAR to show how they were not OP and could be easily countered and that all their opponents just needed to l2p.

Take a break from forums, ignore people in game, and calm down. Nobody from Anet should touch this topic before announcing official changes, only because of your personal emotions.

im been as unbiased as possible.

stealth is bugged and needs fixing, it gives a unfair advantage to the thief

the glass cannon backstab build is stupid and needs fixed via its skills and traits, not backstab itself

the class is too easy to spam, tho if you take the time to get past that it has great flexibility

pistol whip was an issue but imo they went about it the wrong way further lessening its usefulness in pve

HS nerf, needed or not i dunno, many times i choose to autoattack at 25% instead of using HS cuz the opponent will die faster.

no what i defend is against raging hyperbole where the player doesnt want reason, constructive critisiscm, or explanation, they want a nerf 6 feet under so they can go back to there pure dps builds and tunnel vision.

Wolfe.3097:

im been as unbiased as possible.

stealth is bugged and needs fixing, it gives a unfair advantage to the thief

ummmm,care to explain?

he is saying that thieves should not be able to stealth otherwise he cant land his bull’s charge, as for HB fear not it still kills us wile stealthed.

No he’s saying in zerg type situations the culling issue along with stealth can make them not appear for sometimes 30 seconds. I’ve been killed and stomped and then seen them move and attack another person all while not being rendered to me yet.

Away from zergs stealth is fine.

there is a rendering issue, i do have a warrior tho i havent pvpd with him yet :P, i mainly play thief

It wouldn’t be as big a deal on other classes that aren’t so bursty. The only way to counter a glass thief (and they are easily countered normally) is to react instantly with defensive cooldowns but when they don’t render you can’t kite or effectively dodge heartseekrs etc.

No, I think he’s talking about the rendering problem. And he’s right.

I can steal into the middle of 15 or more people, get a kill, stealth back up for the stomp, switch to SB and pop, pop, pop back to safety.

I do it every single day.

The culling/rendering needs to be fixed ASAP.

80 Ele/80 Thief

EDIT: Look at it this way, if they DON’T fix the culling/rendering. We can expect to be nerfed into the ground. I’d rather they fixed that.

Wolfe.3097:

im been as unbiased as possible.

stealth is bugged and needs fixing, it gives a unfair advantage to the thief

the glass cannon backstab build is stupid and needs fixed via its skills and traits, not backstab itself

the class is too easy to spam, tho if you take the time to get past that it has great flexibility

pistol whip was an issue but imo they went about it the wrong way further lessening its usefulness in pve

HS nerf, needed or not i dunno, many times i choose to autoattack at 25% instead of using HS cuz the opponent will die faster.

no what i defend is against raging hyperbole where the player doesnt want reason, constructive critisiscm, or explanation, they want a nerf 6 feet under so they can go back to there pure dps builds and tunnel vision.

1. Stealth is not bugged. Enemy rendering is bugged. I get killed by other invisible classes in WvW as well. Stop saying stealth is bugged when you aren’t talking about stealth at all.

2. The glass cannon backstab build is not stupid. People just suck or, as the OP said, refuse to bring any form of defensive ability. They should make a thief and go play some sPvP. They will only kill people who you catch with their pants down, people with no defensive skills, or people who don’t play well.

3. You mean the abilities are too easy to spam because of how initiative works? That’s the class, dude. Why even complain about such a thing?

4. Yeah, the problem wasn’t pistol whip damage, it was the frequency with quickness. They hit the wrong target on that one.

5. HS is fine. People complained about it until it was found that it’s not actually powerful when spammed….now they laugh at it. Yay forum whiners! :-D

Basically all the crying is from people who really don’t know what they are talking about. If you play smart in sPvP, you can do well with a thief simply because of the pub factor. It’s a class which very quickly disappeared almost entirely from the pro circuit though. There’s a reason for that.

Additionally, ANet doesn’t need to say anything. I just hope they can ignore all the complainers. As someone who plays both a thief and a not-thief, I can honestly say that I don’t feel like I beat good players without significant effort as a thief nor do I get beaten by thieves who just spam skills without thinking.

1. other invisible classes? guess what if i a mesmer turns invisible, ist stealth, it works the same way. your splitting hairs at this point, call it what you want.

2. I am the OP, and yes majority of players do suck, and the glass cannon backstab build is probably the worst build in the game in terms of providing for your team anything other then a kill once every min or so. the stealth (or as you say, enemy rendering whatever) being bugged and palyers in general sucking make it seem less fragile then it is. but nobody should be able to do that kind of damage in such a short span of time even if its avoidable.

3. ive said the same thing, look at it how you want, both sides are true, adn i even said that once you get past that it allows for great flexibility, i think your jumping down my thraot like i want thieves nerfed into the ground, i dont, im a thief player, i want rational and unbiased view on the thief in pvp.

4. true

5. actually a lot of forum whiners still complain about it, sad to hear i know

and even if everything is addressed, im sure people will still be wanting thieves nerfed.