Guild Wars 2

lol, engineer complaining about thieves. lol wait what, complaining about thief heals? go bombkit yourself.

I think HiS needs a change, it needs.. To remove torment!

Dude, you’re an engineer. You can stack insane condition damage very quickly and abuse the full potential of perplexity runes all without even needing to target the individual as you can spam aoe’s/interrupts all day.

Condition damage is currently the most op’d nonsense in the game right now and abused left right and center.

You should be embarrassed to post in here as an engineer asking for thief nerfs with your class capabilities.

Well this is new. First time I’ve seen a whine/cry about HiS.

Seriously? You can’t be. Surely. You are an Engineer. Just put down your endless conditions on my face. The removal isn’t even close to being able to compete with your output.

I am in awe of the ignorance witnessed here. How about you play the profession for more than 5 seconds? You realise we actually need MORE condi removal, not LESS? We melt within nanoseconds upon touching a point in sPvP if a single condi build is within 10 miles. How fantastic is that, when the entire meta is condi-centric? /s

Uhhh, Hide in Shadows is on a 30 second cooldown. You can spec for more condition cleanse in it, but it only lasts 3 seconds. Out of all the thief abilities, I think this one is fine.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/List_of_engineer_skills#Bomb_Kit

HiS has a 30 second cooldown. Now look at the cooldowns for all of your condition causing abilities in bomb kit and grenade kit and elixir gun kit. Now think of how impossible it is for a thief to clear all of those conditions consistently during a fight with a good engineer. Fighting a good engineer as a thief is a hard task, and it is generally a very one sided fight. Keep in mind I didn’t even take into account if you’re running p/s or not. If you’re base weapon set is p/s then you’re even stronger against a thief. I don’t understand where your complaint is coming from

VIVorcha.7853:

As much as I love the Thief as a classic Dungeons and Dragons concept, I think it needs a nerf here. Currently, it’s pretty much broken. You get high healing, …

Drink Elixir H to heal yourself and randomly gain protection, regeneration, or swiftness.
Healing: 5,560 (1.0)?
Protection: 5 s
Regeneration: 10 s (1300 health)
Swiftness: 10 s
6860 HP = 274 HP/s heal

Vanish in stealth and gain regeneration. Cures burning, poison, and bleeding.
Healing: 5,240 (1.0)?
Regeneration: 4 s (520 health)
Stealth: 3 s
5760/30 = 192 HP/s heal

Elixer H is a 43% more effective heal then HiS.

… I’m thinking the healing should be lowered slightly (maybe equal to Shelter)…

Guildwars 2 PvP wasn’t meant to give anyone an easy time, perhaps the condition immunity granted by Automated Response needs a review

Auesis.7301:

Well this is new. …

Check his posting history.

HiS is pretty weak it needs to clean torment at the very least. The cooldown is also a bit long, I mean really 30s?? Needs to be 20s. But the part that REALLY kills it is the 1s activation time which just makes it really vulnerable to skills like interrupts.

Looks farily balance to be honest.

I mean its certainly got some awesome effects with stealth and so much condition removal, but the healing is pretty low, especially considering the CD.

Comparing it with the 3 ranger heals.. Its in the same place as healing spring in that its long CD and low base healing, but comes with added extras to make up for it.

I think this is quite laughable, considering it’s more telegraphed than the warrior’s Earthshaker and one interrupt puts it on a large cooldown. You’re an engineer. You have more spamable interrupts than thief, so learn to use them.

Viking Jorun.5413:

I think this is quite laughable, considering it’s more telegraphed than the warrior’s Earthshaker and one interrupt puts it on a large cooldown. You’re an engineer. You have more spamable interrupts than thief, so learn to use them.

And let’s not forget, even if he doesn’t interrupt the stealth and the heal, stealth doesn’t prevent any incoming damage or anything. Just because us thieves are invisible doesn’t mean we can’t be damaged. Bomb kit and point blank grenades will keep a stealthed thief off an engineer.

Only a coward fights in hiding !

Cetung Cetungos.1752:

Only a coward fights in hiding !

…said the longbow ranger

Viking Jorun.5413:

Cetung Cetungos.1752:

Only a coward fights in hiding !

…said the longbow ranger

Real men use Shortbows

Because its not the size that matters…

Cufufalating.8479:

Viking Jorun.5413:

Cetung Cetungos.1752:

Only a coward fights in hiding !

…said the longbow ranger

Real men use Shortbows

Because its not the size that matters…

So you can spam 1, right?

No, #2 :p

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Thieves rely on powerful skills to compensate for their crazy squishiness. Even if HiS was slightly OP, it would be arguably justified, but I given the 30 second cooldown I think it’s easy to argue it isn’t OP anyway.

As someone who plays both classes, you most certainly should not be complaining in this case.

No joke, that is basically our only condi removal, don’t complain, just don’t be that guy. No body likes that guy.

This is a massive troll. If he wasn’t a troll he’d know it’s just about the only condi removal thief has and it’s on a 30 second cooldown. Thieves are free kills for competent engineers; I play both quite well… do you OP?

Edit: he trolled then left, this thread will probably die if we stop feeding it.

yes. was in WVW yesterday and with ONE spread of bombs i was hit with poison, ice, burning and bleeds. 1 time removal of 3/4 of those with a 30 sec cooldown? stupid QQing is what this is. go away …simple l2p issue. play the game longer plz b4 u come here with sillyness.

Viking Jorun.5413:

Cetung Cetungos.1752:

Only a coward fights in hiding !

…said the longbow ranger

Some fine utterance, makes an impression…

Trolled.

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Thief heals are about the only thing balanced in the class.

An engineer complaining about thieves? A condi engi complaining about thieves? Why is an engineer complaining about thieves? You guys don’t even need to target us all you literally need to do is run in a circle while spamming grenades at your feet to- you know what I’m done with the thief forums for today. See you guys later *Takes cloak off of coat rack and walks out door into the snowstorm

that troll cake is delicious, i had a laugh

sad part, devs would listen to this… looking at the dec 10th patch heh

LOL, this engi has to be very bad to get the nuts to post in the thieves forum.

You’re not going to get an honest post in the Thieves forum. They think their class is broke.

Go WvW and all you find is broken roamer Thieves hitting terrible 8k backstabs on 3k armour. If not, terrible condition stacking and terrible constant stealth and terrible healing/condi removal in stealth.

Sigh.

godz raiden.2631:

Viking Jorun.5413:

I think this is quite laughable, considering it’s more telegraphed than the warrior’s Earthshaker and one interrupt puts it on a large cooldown. You’re an engineer. You have more spamable interrupts than thief, so learn to use them.

And let’s not forget, even if he doesn’t interrupt the stealth and the heal, stealth doesn’t prevent any incoming damage or anything. Just because us thieves are invisible doesn’t mean we can’t be damaged. Bomb kit and point blank grenades will keep a stealthed thief off an engineer.

I hate this argument. If it’s 1v1, chances are they are going to miss the Thieve more often than not, unless immobilized/stunned. Also, what use is damage when you can stack stealth, have great healing and condi removal and have a get out of jail free card?

Weird, I can’t find the delete thread button again. ;/

I think someone should start a post (or a wish list) for all the thief nerfs….
You want anymore OP? It is near Christmas(or w/e holiday you celebrate).
I mean one guy was also suggesting nerfing choking gas/stealth.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Condition-Damage-and-Stealth/

@OP: you win for worst thread. You want to nerf a skill that helps combat the overall condi meta that exists today? You must be a condi spec.