Guild Wars 2

I still don’t get how d/p has not been nerfed.
The synergy between black powder and Heart seek into stealth is very op. Than it leads to a backstab. I just don’t get it, there is no real counter for this. If you start beating them it’s stealth away.
Atleast CnD you have to hit something and be into range….but it doesnt put a blind field up.
Not to mention interrupt with p4

/rage over.

Sword/Dagger for ever.

Not gonna lie, whenever I see D/P roaming about I always tend to think less of them as a player, even if they kill me. Even if they kill me over and over.

I think a perfect nerf to this would be if pistol 5 only procced a blind field IF the target was actually hit by the initial bullet, even tho it doesnt really make much sense logically I think it would help with the stealth-combo abuse.
The thing is that D/P is nowhere near as strong in PvP, where it is actually quite difficult to play in an effective manner (i.e. not stealthing constantly, resulting in your team losing nodes) and I think nerfing the pistol 5 > 2 combo would basically make it unplayable in PvP.

Also I guess it depends how much runners annoy you. As a solo roamer these guys are a lot more annoying but in a small party they will rarely come back after receiving their intial beat down cos they don’t wanna lose all their stacks of +power +vit to your gank squad.

Actually S/D is a fantastic set to use against D/P players! When D/P goes into stealth, don’t act like you’re surprised by what’s coming next: 3 seconds of stealth. Wait a couple seconds and then use flanking strike or dodges. Cleaving near their bp is also useful before in those couple seconds before you dodge. Lastly make your back hard to hit…make sharp turns and be unpredictable.

Edit: take advantage of infil strike by relocating constantly since they don’t have much time in stealth.

Blind field > S/D.

I certainly wouldn’t call it fantastic to use against D/P. It has way more SAFE stealth access (CnD is extremely dodgy in this particular fight and we all know it) and a blind field that mitigates pretty much all the damage you can do to him if he just stands inside of it…certainly enough to out dps you with AA and heartseekers…..

The best thing you can hope for is too whittle down their intiative (difficult against good players) then try to break them down from there. The moment they lose access to Pistol 5 is when you attack properly.

They are awesome in PvP. roma wehre team needs help and destroy.

It’s hard to IS out of range from there stealth time in pvp since mose node areas are so god kitten small.

Than they just blind/stealth right back.

Bp is a problem but you won’t catch them just standing in it… Your melee range can reach them in the bp if they happen to do so, and you can still cnd off them without entering it as well. That’s basically what any warrior does, just cleave outside of their bp.

Why would you nerf it?

It is well known that is a build only good to roam . .

and who cares about roamers? . . . other potential roamers.

You will never see a D/P in a PVE, Top Tier SPVP, Top Duels.

D/P has a roll . . . hit and run . . . stop comparing apples with oranges.

And answering your queation simple. . . Anet don’t nerf it because they already know that is a build only good to kill bad players out of the zerg . . . and they want a roll for that.

“You will never see a D/P in a PVE, Top Tier SPVP, Top Duels.”

You serious?

It doesn’t need to be nerfed but its a really strong weaponset. I’d say 2nd best weaponset for power builds outside of s/d (for pvp), and probably the best in WvW

I use D/P when levelling a new thief, the number of people that stand in black powder is astounding. The last one, double melee ranger didn’t figure out moving out of it for almost 2mins, that’s how long it took for my lvl 7 thief to dps him to death.

On the S/D & D/P comparison, very often when some of the sword wielding pros from pvp come to wvw and get wrecked, they come back with D/P.

Ah, I remember the days when there was only a handful of thieves that had realized the power of D/P.

Now, back on topic: It is an incredibly strong weapon set, but it can be countered. I don’t think D/P should be nerfed, because it is a duelist weapon set, so any team focused build / set are going to get their kitten handed to them with this set and a proper player. The only thing that makes it so strong is the Shadow Arts trait line. Without it any d/p thief will have to manage their initiative way better. As it is now it is too forgiving, but I don’t know what to do with it without nerfing the entire thief profession…

They could make it impossible to stack stealth without using utilities. That would make it harder to stack stealth with d/p.

You should look at it this way:

• If you beat a D/P thief while playing a non duelling/hard to play/UP build. You deserve the respect and honor of the battle.
• If you get one shotted while fighting someone else, or get beaten by a cheesy- /OP duelling build. You will think less of him as a player.

Altough it may sound crazy, there is a hidden layer of respect between most players.
If you beat someone in a crazy way, they might think twice next time. If you cheese someone down, you either get a zerg on top of you. Or get some negative messages.

As an example: I saw Sizer in wvw yesterday. He was duelling some players on our server. There was common respect untill 3 random guys came in and all unleashed their spike on Sizer. Thats when we stopped hitting him, and let him defeat the three random guys with his engi friend. Upon their death we let him heal up, and started again.

Dagger is fine, Pistol is fine, D/P is fine, stealth is not fine!

if a really good or experienced D/P thief goes “hotjoin” sPvP hes probably has the most advantage cuz most ppl (not all) in hotjoins are clueless how to counter d/p so here i will gonna show u top NA thief Caed vs Anas Tarcis (one of the best warrs in NA)

http://www.twitch.tv/tarcisanastasis/c/3038277