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Posted by: Daecollo.9578

Daecollo.9578

Hey guys! A couple months ago I ran the ordinary backstab build until my friend Death Itself showed me a kitten D/P build that in my opinion is a lot better. This post will not be a full guide because I have a video below that can tell you about it!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Uj6HQo5Ufwo

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Posted by: Frenk.5917

Frenk.5917

In the video you just spam HS, why on the earth did you choose to pick D/P, if you weren’t going to use blinding powder + HS? Why do you use hide in shadows? You are definetly NOT using all the D/P potential. Check this video (wvwvw one, not mine, but still it shows how good could D/P be in duels) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ecl8d0TQGQ and give this build a try. Use berserker amulet and jewel for spvp.

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Posted by: Kaon.7192

Kaon.7192

Isn’t this Caed’s build?

Even the burst sequence he described is a neutered version of Caed’s (without BP + Backstab which is about half of the burst lol…).

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Posted by: Iove.3902

Iove.3902

This has been the standard 25/30 since launch. I don’t know what you’re doing different besides d/p and most Thieves have been using d/p in tournaments because it has always been superior in tournament play. Thanks for making a video though, will help new players.

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Posted by: Iove.3902

Iove.3902

Isn’t this Caed’s build?

Even the burst sequence he described is a neutered version of Caed’s (without BP + Backstab which is about half of the burst lol…).

Pretty much, but there are only so many builds people can make.

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Posted by: Brassnautilus.2941

Brassnautilus.2941

This has been the standard 25/30 since launch. I don’t know what you’re doing different besides d/p and most Thieves have been using d/p in tournaments because it has always been superior in tournament play. Thanks for making a video though, will help new players.

ya and any direct melee build gets pwned by d/p cuz they’d just kept wasting init on misses.

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Posted by: Kaon.7192

Kaon.7192

This has been the standard 25/30 since launch. I don’t know what you’re doing different besides d/p and most Thieves have been using d/p in tournaments because it has always been superior in tournament play. Thanks for making a video though, will help new players.

He is doing something different, and that is only using heartseeker in a d/p setup… which is frankly the very opposite of helpful for new players trying to understand the d/p set…

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Posted by: Arganthium.5638

Arganthium.5638

This… This…

I don’t even want to think about the QQing that “thieves don’t have enough survivability!” that this build is going to cause.

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Posted by: Who.4651

Who.4651

this is terrible

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Posted by: Aervius.2016

Aervius.2016

So basically the same hit-and-run-like-hell glass Thief that’s been the norm for months?
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Posted by: BojacDR.2104

BojacDR.2104

I’m glad that you are happy with this build but it is really a terrible way to use the D/P spec. It lacks imagination and knowledge of what that build is all about. Do youself a favor. Listen to Frenk and watch the link he/she suggests.

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Posted by: Shemsu.8721

Shemsu.8721

This has been the standard 25/30 since launch. I don’t know what you’re doing different besides d/p and most Thieves have been using d/p in tournaments because it has always been superior in tournament play. Thanks for making a video though, will help new players.

ya and any direct melee build gets pwned by d/p cuz they’d just kept wasting init on misses.

Yeah, not really though, the bps field is so small when i fight the lame fotm d/p thieves, i can stand outside the blind field and hit them with melee without getting blinded

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Posted by: Sizzle Hint.1820

Sizzle Hint.1820

I’m glad that you are happy with this build but it is really a terrible way to use the D/P spec. It lacks imagination and knowledge of what that build is all about. Do youself a favor. Listen to Frenk and watch the link he/she suggests.

This is a tournament build not a WvW ganking build.

25 / 30 / 0 / 0 / 15 is the only viable tournament build for the thief at the moment, Frenks build is terrible for high lvl tournament play.

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Posted by: Grimwolf.7163

Grimwolf.7163

I’m glad that you are happy with this build but it is really a terrible way to use the D/P spec. It lacks imagination and knowledge of what that build is all about. Do youself a favor. Listen to Frenk and watch the link he/she suggests.

This is a tournament build not a WvW ganking build.

25 / 30 / 0 / 0 / 15 is the only viable tournament build for the thief at the moment, Frenks build is terrible for high lvl tournament play.

Better than doing the very opposite of what any knowledgeable player would recommend and just spamming the crap out of Heartseeker.
There’s no way that strategy actually works. That’s like playing Street Fighter and just endlessly jamming the crap out of the punch button.

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Posted by: ShoeMoney.5249

ShoeMoney.5249

First pop Assassins Signet and Basilik Venom.. try not to attack anything right now. Then use heartseeker and use the steal while in mid air.

Welp nobody can accuse you of being a no skill cookie cutter thief!

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Posted by: Auesis.7301

Auesis.7301

I hope this isn’t a serious attempt at a viable PvP build. If this build attacked me, I would probably burst out in to laughter as I finished the player off.

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Posted by: Frenk.5917

Frenk.5917

I’m glad that you are happy with this build but it is really a terrible way to use the D/P spec. It lacks imagination and knowledge of what that build is all about. Do youself a favor. Listen to Frenk and watch the link he/she suggests.

This is a tournament build not a WvW ganking build.

25 / 30 / 0 / 0 / 15 is the only viable tournament build for the thief at the moment, Frenks build is terrible for high lvl tournament play.

I don’t know if “my” build is or not viable for high level tournament play (do they still exist?), and I don’t even know why 25 30 0 0 15 is the only viable thief tournament build.

What I know is that the OP could use even a FOCUS off-hand and obtain the same result. He is NOT using the pistol. He is NOT using BP+HS combo. He is NOT using headshot to interrupt. He could even NOT carry an off-hand weapon and still do “fine”.

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Posted by: BojacDR.2104

BojacDR.2104

I’m glad that you are happy with this build but it is really a terrible way to use the D/P spec. It lacks imagination and knowledge of what that build is all about. Do youself a favor. Listen to Frenk and watch the link he/she suggests.

This is a tournament build not a WvW ganking build.

25 / 30 / 0 / 0 / 15 is the only viable tournament build for the thief at the moment, Frenks build is terrible for high lvl tournament play.

I did not say nor care what type of build this is for. It is the OP’s use, or lack of, that I was responding to. And if you are saying that constant spamming of HS is the only viable way for tournament play, then I will stick with WvW thank you very much.

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Posted by: Geiir.7603

Geiir.7603

I watched this from the beginning and thought; Interesting, this is the exact same build that all super bursty back stabber thieves are using.

Then we came to the point where he said: Assassin’s Signet → Basilisk Venom → HS → Steal → HS until death.

And I was like: ROFL! Seriously?! How do you even kill people? Dodge, dodge and hey, you just lost. Heatseeking may work against NPC’s in the Mists, but not against real players with half a brain. You’re not even using the full potential of the pistol off-hand. You have a gap-closer with blind attached. Blind field that can give you stealth if HS through it (also giving you backstab). An interrupt which is perfect to use against heals or channeled attacks.

You are just using Heartseeker. Wow.

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Posted by: Adaneshade.2409

Adaneshade.2409

If you aren’t using the pistol offhand for blind field, a good sword thief will own you every time. HS spam may work in hotjoins but never in tournaments, at least not against any higher tier teams.

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Posted by: Shemsu.8721

Shemsu.8721

I don’t know why all of a sudden people are so focused on bps. I play s/d and encounter d/p Very often and s/p now and again. You can stand outside the tiny aoe and melee without getting blinded at all except the initial shot. It’s really not that effective

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Posted by: Grimwolf.7163

Grimwolf.7163

I don’t know why all of a sudden people are so focused on bps. I play s/d and encounter d/p Very often and s/p now and again. You can stand outside the tiny aoe and melee without getting blinded at all except the initial shot. It’s really not that effective

That’s because they’re bad. If you back up instead of just standing in the middle they’ll have to pass through it. Even if they try circling around it, you just have to move as well to stay on the opposite end.
Now, it won’t stop a whole group of melees from touching you. That’d be overpowered anyway.

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Posted by: Shemsu.8721

Shemsu.8721

I’ve never had BPS be anything more than a minor annoyance to me. Yes sometimes they’ll back out trying to force you in, thats what shadowsteps are for. I dont know, its strong in PVE against trash mobs but otherwise i’ve always found it to be pretty weak

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Posted by: Adaneshade.2409

Adaneshade.2409

Just swap to SB and drill them with some detonated Cluster bombs. They’ll run like a girl or die.

~Shadowkat