Guild Wars 2

This is based on power only play in PvP and some WvW

Ok the nerfs we’re all aware to the nerfs we’ve received from the latest patch as well as the buffs. I’ll break it down into damage/defense/support/overall

Now for the next few times playing I’ll be looking into condi and other builds since the changes are just being explored. That being said I do believe that Anet needs to address some issues with the thief.

As always comments or disagreements welcome.

I agree with virtually all your assessments.

Edit: as an afterthought, I don’t understand the nerf to vigor while increasing damage across the board. This goes beyond acro thief to all classes. It seems like there’s bigger bursts more often now. The previous amount of dodges would have been perfect for this amount of damage.

Thats 100% what I said in the game and its true: we’re being pigeonhold into going D/P AND SA traitline, with the current condi-hype.

“Build Diversity”.. Was about to cry, really..
Even losing to Mesmers 1v1 and DPS guards even have it easier etc.

I agree. I dueled a friend of mine who mains zerker ranger (minus signet of stone). Pre-patch i countered him well, Post-patch i have yet to beat him. Now, throw in dmg immunity for 6 sec via signet of stone. With the acro line in shambles, I’m probably going to change mains.

@T raw – this write up is really well put.
I think the reality is thief is not quite keeping up with the changes made to other classes. Bursting from the shadows is the essence of the class and why so many of us love it. That being said, with the buffs to other classes(signet of stone…stone heart..) we need waaaayyyyy better survivability to stay in the fight and continue to have a chance in the current game. With the vigor nerf I’m having a really hard time sustaining myself through the Acro line, and the shadow arts line is even less effective. With the amount of AOE damage most classes are now capable of, I’m usually just dying…lying on the ground invisible….thanks shadow arts.. I don’t see how, with the amount of damage other classes are capable of, %50 damage reduction while stealth couldn’t have been left alone. Especially with lock on. But heaven forbid other classes would have to outplay us to win fights hahaha

agreed that sums it up.

actually there’s not a lot i could add to you t raw, nice summary!

what i would also like to see is more viable options in SA adept + major traits (and maybe a change to SA’s passivety? please?) and some bug fixes like the one on hidden thief (i mean the steal-stealth trait in SA)

Great summary. I wonder how devs are going to address the unbalanced amount of damage we have now; they’ve straight up said that damage is currently too high, across the board. I’ll definitely be paying more attention to the “Dev Tracker” part of the forums.

Terrorsquad.2349:

Thats 100% what I said in the game and its true: we’re being pigeonhold into going D/P AND SA traitline, with the current condi-hype.

“Build Diversity”.. Was about to cry, really..
Even losing to Mesmers 1v1 and DPS guards even have it easier etc.

Panic Strike With SA isn’t a 1v1 spec anymore. It’s too weak vs most builds from other classes that are being ran. Now when the meta settles can we see more viability from it? Possibly yes due to other classes wanting to go more team play.

The problem remains is that if you as a thief are basically only hitting the side points and can’t reliably 1v1 anyone there. So unless that point has no one on it you best bring an extra body…..so wtf is the point?

T raw for president.

T raw.4658:

The problem remains is that if you as a thief are basically only hitting the side points and can’t reliably 1v1 anyone there. So unless that point has no one on it you best bring an extra body…..so wtf is the point?

That’s exactly the point. To make it risky for the Thief to roam alone, thus the nerf on survivability, and have the capability to +1 any fight, thus the increase in damage output.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

T raw.4658:

The problem remains is that if you as a thief are basically only hitting the side points and can’t reliably 1v1 anyone there. So unless that point has no one on it you best bring an extra body…..so wtf is the point?

That’s exactly the point. To make it risky for the Thief to roam alone, thus the nerf on survivability, and have the capability to +1 any fight, thus the increase in damage output.

It was already risky to roam as a thief pre patch.

For a “thief” player you sure don’t know much about em it seems….

T raw.4658:

It was already risky to roam as a thief pre patch.

For a “thief” player you sure don’t know much about em it seems….

I have to question how you define Risk…thief easily had the most escape potential and some of the best ganking 1v1 potential before… doesn’t sound risky to me =S

For me, the draw to thief is its 1v1 capability. Since that’s mostly gone now, that leaves thieves with +1 ing. The ganking role doesn’t interest me; I want my far point assaulter spec back.

Build diversity died because thief is just +1er now…

Sure u can do that we venom share or sa or acro now but essentially we can’t 1v1. Only burst and then run away.

I think sa rather useless now because our defense line doesn’t really offer defense. Only reason I’d take it is to run venom share build.

T raw.4658:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

T raw.4658:

The problem remains is that if you as a thief are basically only hitting the side points and can’t reliably 1v1 anyone there. So unless that point has no one on it you best bring an extra body…..so wtf is the point?

That’s exactly the point. To make it risky for the Thief to roam alone, thus the nerf on survivability, and have the capability to +1 any fight, thus the increase in damage output.

It was already risky to roam as a thief pre patch.

For a “thief” player you sure don’t know much about em it seems….

For a “thief” player you sure don’t know much about em it seems….

See I can do it that too.

I mostly agree, i think the defenses and acro aren’t as nerfed as you say (i’ve had alsmot no problems with them anyway) and i can still function decently in a team fight if you time your evades well(granted i main S/D so im better off than most), venom share is also extremely powerful now, but otherwise agreed.

With this patch, thief is basically an extreme version of “kill or be killed.” Especially with acro. Combined with the buffed damage output across all classes, thief doesn’t have much reliable defense any more.

None of this fixes the main issue with thief which is how easy they are to kill in any team fight setting (pvp and pve) by accidental AOE damage. You get melted and it wasn’t even done on purpose. It’s just consequential damage. I don’t think this class will ever be anything but lower tier due to its design. You’re really only ever good coming out of stealth, and since its unrealistic to always be in stealth, the times you’re fighting out of stealth you’re just a kitten warrior with no hp. Sadly, not even specialization will save it. I’ve played A LOT of thief and I feel like you need to do 100% more work for a kill than most other classes.

Whatever. Suppose it doesn’t matter much as I basically quit 3 months ago and only recently came back to see what they’d do with the patch.

Well they fudged up, for sure. If they kill thieves I will have a real shiny uninstall button.
Good post OP. All my experience with PvP or WvW atm is that I lost every ability to even get a safe stomp. Thief is a+1? More like -1 the way things are atm…

Thief still excels at getting between bank and storage faster than any other class.
It will forever be my TP flipper….

(Well, actually, I’m just too lazy to switch over my 20 slot bags to guardian…)

Sir Vincent III.1286:

T raw.4658:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

T raw.4658:

The problem remains is that if you as a thief are basically only hitting the side points and can’t reliably 1v1 anyone there. So unless that point has no one on it you best bring an extra body…..so wtf is the point?

That’s exactly the point. To make it risky for the Thief to roam alone, thus the nerf on survivability, and have the capability to +1 any fight, thus the increase in damage output.

It was already risky to roam as a thief pre patch.

For a “thief” player you sure don’t know much about em it seems….

For a “thief” player you sure don’t know much about em it seems….

See I can do it that too.

Unfortunately one us does and it’s the OP of this thread.

Zero Day.2594:

Thief still excels at getting between bank and storage faster than any other class.
It will forever be my TP flipper….

(Well, actually, I’m just too lazy to switch over my 20 slot bags to guardian…)

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T raw.4658:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

T raw.4658:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

T raw.4658:

The problem remains is that if you as a thief are basically only hitting the side points and can’t reliably 1v1 anyone there. So unless that point has no one on it you best bring an extra body…..so wtf is the point?

That’s exactly the point. To make it risky for the Thief to roam alone, thus the nerf on survivability, and have the capability to +1 any fight, thus the increase in damage output.

It was already risky to roam as a thief pre patch.

For a “thief” player you sure don’t know much about em it seems….

For a “thief” player you sure don’t know much about em it seems….

See I can do it that too.

Unfortunately one us does and it’s the OP of this thread.

Unfortunately the OP, meaning you, also said this;

T raw.4658:

The problem remains is that if you as a thief are basically only hitting the side points and can’t reliably 1v1 anyone there. So unless that point has no one on it you best bring an extra body…..so wtf is the point?

Which I replied with;

That’s exactly the point. To make it risky for the Thief to roam alone, thus the nerf on survivability, and have the capability to +1 any fight, thus the increase in damage output.

I was not saying that there were no risks before, in fact, what I’m saying is that the change to Thief is not to remove the risk instead to make the risk more rewarding.

I have no idea what the OP’s, meaning you, problem with what I’ve posted. And here I am thought that the OP, meaning you, knew Thief.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

T raw.4658:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

T raw.4658:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

T raw.4658:

The problem remains is that if you as a thief are basically only hitting the side points and can’t reliably 1v1 anyone there. So unless that point has no one on it you best bring an extra body…..so wtf is the point?

That’s exactly the point. To make it risky for the Thief to roam alone, thus the nerf on survivability, and have the capability to +1 any fight, thus the increase in damage output.

It was already risky to roam as a thief pre patch.

For a “thief” player you sure don’t know much about em it seems….

For a “thief” player you sure don’t know much about em it seems….

See I can do it that too.

Unfortunately one us does and it’s the OP of this thread.

Unfortunately the OP, meaning you, also said this;

T raw.4658:

The problem remains is that if you as a thief are basically only hitting the side points and can’t reliably 1v1 anyone there. So unless that point has no one on it you best bring an extra body…..so wtf is the point?

Which I replied with;

That’s exactly the point. To make it risky for the Thief to roam alone, thus the nerf on survivability, and have the capability to +1 any fight, thus the increase in damage output.

I was not saying that there were no risks before, in fact, what I’m saying is that the change to Thief is not to remove the risk instead to make the risk more rewarding.

I have no idea what the OP’s, meaning you, problem with what I’ve posted. And here I am thought that the OP, meaning you, knew Thief.

The point you are failing to realize is there was more than enough risk before the patch. If you knew thief you’d know that.

Sorry mate thx for the replies tho

… A Mesmer 1 shouted me yesterday… I didn’t save the combat log but it was bad… I was bewildered by the damage they could archive, it’s like they’ve rocked the role we thieves are great at in spvp n that’s +1 every fight.