Guild Wars 2

Hi,

looking for a WvWvW Solo Roamer Build.
Currently messing around with d/p (5/15/25/25/0), feels good but wanted to know if there are other ways/better ways or playing solo WvWvW.

Do you have some advise for me?

I personally prefer my S/D (used 10/30/30/0/0, but am playing with 0/30/20/20/0 now) for my solo WvW roaming, I love the mobility, 2 on demand condition removals, and the sustained damage. Won’t have the burst of d/x though, but BS was never my play style.

-The thing I absolutely love about S/D that I learned a few months ago-
Chasing down people trying to run away, hehehehe. Shadow Step + infiltrator strike = if you think you are safe from me because you are way out of any projectile range, you got something else coming your way!

I use D/P (10-30-15-0-15) and its pretty versatile. It hits hard has enough initiative to keep up in fights, and the burst is great, especially if you have food buffs. It has long stealth times if need be as well.

Silver.4798:

I personally prefer my S/D (used 10/30/30/0/0, but am playing with 0/30/20/20/0 now) for my solo WvW roaming, I love the mobility, 2 on demand condition removals, and the sustained damage. Won’t have the burst of d/x though, but BS was never my play style.

-The thing I absolutely love about S/D that I learned a few months ago-
Chasing down people trying to run away, hehehehe. Shadow Step + infiltrator strike = if you think you are safe from me because you are way out of any projectile range, you got something else coming your way!

if u wanna know the best its honestly p/d bleed invis 5 0 30 30 5 …there is no comparison to survivability ….can play in large groups or even 1 on 1. d/ kitten lightly better in dueling i will say that…. s/d is my favorite and a mix of dmg …confusion….and survivability. make sure to have an extra weapon to stack bloodlust/corruption

In my opinion, D/P is the superior WvW solo roam build right now. Virtually unlimited stealth is just about the most powerful ability a solo roamer can have.

That said, D/D, S/D and P/D are all solid for solo roaming, although I find S/D to be the least effective of all of these (but the best for 3-5 man roaming; again, just my personal experience and opinion).

TLDR; you’d probably be best served by sticking with your current setup and tweaking the build/gear toward your personal playstyle.

s/d can own d/p much more easily in 1 v 1 thief v thief. IF and ONLY IF….the thief using the s/d has super fast reflex and experience. s/d is the single most hardest build to play in the game. if played right …people think you cheat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3wipl5GEu4 heer is somebody about half way to mastered just to give u an idea.

the above also did a 2 v 1 against TWO thieves that were pretty good with d/p. won too.
i must mention his BACKUP was d/p tho.

cant watch the vid on my region
will try to tweak my traits, but what should i go for – 0/30/20/20/0 ?

S/D will always be my spec for roaming. I feel like it is least dependent on game mechanics and is all about positioning and timing. Even if it isn’t the most ideal theorycrafted weapon set, it’s way more fun. Just give it time and you’ll learn to love it.

I will check it and may use it on swap or d/p for 2nd ^^

Any suggestions on what to trait?

malikah.6280:

I will check it and may use it on swap or d/p for 2nd ^^

u got it half right use s/d to open for dazes….. etc …use d/p as finishing tool or backup when u get in trouble and need more of a defensive build. (yes D/P is defensive bc stealth is our ONLY defense :P )

Unblocked the vud,nice one :O
Anyone knows his build ^^ ??

Xirin.8593:

In my opinion, D/P is the superior WvW solo roam build right now. Virtually unlimited stealth is just about the most powerful ability a solo roamer can have.

That said, D/D, S/D and P/D are all solid for solo roaming, although I find S/D to be the least effective of all of these (but the best for 3-5 man roaming; again, just my personal experience and opinion).

TLDR; you’d probably be best served by sticking with your current setup and tweaking the build/gear toward your personal playstyle.

You’re saying D/D is stronger than S/D… Just lol. Try the combination of D/P and S/D, they compliment each other so much. I think you’re just not experienced with S/D

Travlane.5948:

s/d can own d/p much more easily in 1 v 1 thief v thief. IF and ONLY IF….the thief using the s/d has super fast reflex and experience. s/d is the single most hardest build to play in the game. if played right …people think you cheat.

^This. Build is irrelevant if you don’t know how to maximize toolset efficiency with s/d. Requiring more instantaneous decisions during the fight than other weapon sets. Very rewarding when you down your opponent, without BS or HS, though.

Issues.5789:

Xirin.8593:

In my opinion, D/P is the superior WvW solo roam build right now. Virtually unlimited stealth is just about the most powerful ability a solo roamer can have.

That said, D/D, S/D and P/D are all solid for solo roaming, although I find S/D to be the least effective of all of these (but the best for 3-5 man roaming; again, just my personal experience and opinion).

TLDR; you’d probably be best served by sticking with your current setup and tweaking the build/gear toward your personal playstyle.

You’re saying D/D is stronger than S/D… Just lol. Try the combination of D/P and S/D, they compliment each other so much. I think you’re just not experienced with S/D

Wow, chill out. Reread my post. I said: “just my personal experience and opinion”, not “this is the absolute truth.” I also said I felt it was the least effective, not ineffective, and this was only in regards to solo roaming. At worst, one should interpret this as a testament to the power of the other weapon load-out options. I am currently running S/D and SB because I enjoy the playstyle. It has its limitations and advantages like any other build.

I feel S/D is better than D/D with a small group due to more CC options. I personally feel that the burst from D/D is stronger in a solo situation than the CC from S/D (which a solo Thief doesn’t really need, most of the time). I solo roam about 50% of my time in WvW. I have found S/D weaker than D/D, D/P and P/D for that type of play, but this all comes down to individual skill and which build one can play the most effectively.

If you want to follow in the footsteps of one of the greatest Thieves to play the game, you should check out the Wild Bill videos on youtube demonstrating how when played right, his P/D build its a force to be feared. Not one of his videos is 1v1s, 1v2’s and UP only. He has truly perfected his profession and spec. I followed him and built a toon to be just like him, though my skills are a little off from what he is capable of, I can verify that what he does is absolutely possible when perfected, but I guess same goes for any spec.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that his videos are sequels. He has posted them since the early days and you watch a master piece unfold over hours upon hours of footage. Detailed and very informative.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Modified-Yishis-Build-WvW-sPvP/first#post1825755

IMO, best build for solo roaming wvw…

awgardner.9634:

If you want to follow in the footsteps of one of the greatest Thieves to play the game, you should check out the Wild Bill videos on youtube demonstrating how when played right, his P/D build its a force to be feared. Not one of his videos is 1v1s, 1v2’s and UP only. He has truly perfected his profession and spec. I followed him and built a toon to be just like him, though my skills are a little off from what he is capable of, I can verify that what he does is absolutely possible when perfected, but I guess same goes for any spec.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that his videos are sequels. He has posted them since the early days and you watch a master piece unfold over hours upon hours of footage. Detailed and very informative.

Any thief with shadows embrace will destroy P/D thief with ease…

swinsk.6410:

awgardner.9634:

If you want to follow in the footsteps of one of the greatest Thieves to play the game, you should check out the Wild Bill videos on youtube demonstrating how when played right, his P/D build its a force to be feared. Not one of his videos is 1v1s, 1v2’s and UP only. He has truly perfected his profession and spec. I followed him and built a toon to be just like him, though my skills are a little off from what he is capable of, I can verify that what he does is absolutely possible when perfected, but I guess same goes for any spec.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that his videos are sequels. He has posted them since the early days and you watch a master piece unfold over hours upon hours of footage. Detailed and very informative.

Any thief with shadows embrace will destroy P/D thief with ease…

I strongly beg to differ. I love how people get on the forums and smash one build over another, spraying that one particular build will prevail above all else. If this were the case, everyone would roll that particular build… HOWEVER

Shadows Embrace removes a condition upon entering stealth, and every 3 seconds while in stealth, I am willing to bet that I can stealth, unload, and beat that condition removal with bleeds, and poisons… while putting your SE to shame

EDIT: Already have while I typed this reply

EDIT: While your proclamation is informative and educational, as well as to an extent, true… you are not accounting for spam unloads, and CnD’s. PLUS any well played class knows how to adapt to any situation

Acaelus.2138:

Travlane.5948:

s/d can own d/p much more easily in 1 v 1 thief v thief. IF and ONLY IF….the thief using the s/d has super fast reflex and experience. s/d is the single most hardest build to play in the game. if played right …people think you cheat.

^This. Build is irrelevant if you don’t know how to maximize toolset efficiency with s/d. Requiring more instantaneous decisions during the fight than other weapon sets. Very rewarding when you down your opponent, without BS or HS, though.

yes but with this build its harder to land a hit/deal with than d/p! thats why i use both at the same time with a hybrid between both builds! D/p cant deal with certain builds. the ones it cant i notice s/d does better. and vice versa. its incredibly hard to learn and there is no equivocal build that is as hard to master.

Travlane.5948:

Acaelus.2138:

Travlane.5948:

s/d can own d/p much more easily in 1 v 1 thief v thief. IF and ONLY IF….the thief using the s/d has super fast reflex and experience. s/d is the single most hardest build to play in the game. if played right …people think you cheat.

^This. Build is irrelevant if you don’t know how to maximize toolset efficiency with s/d. Requiring more instantaneous decisions during the fight than other weapon sets. Very rewarding when you down your opponent, without BS or HS, though.

yes but with this build its harder to land a hit/deal with than d/p! thats why i use both at the same time with a hybrid between both builds! D/p cant deal with certain builds. the ones it cant i notice s/d does better. and vice versa. its incredibly hard to learn and there is no equivocal build that is as hard to master.

I use s/d & d/p as well- since Nov. My build is 10/30/30/0/0- nothing spectacular. I was merely pointing out that if you don’t have the ‘playstyle’ -to know when to switch weapon sets, interupt, and/or evade- the traits you pick aren’t going to carry you.

Travlane.5948:

Acaelus.2138:

Travlane.5948:

s/d can own d/p much more easily in 1 v 1 thief v thief. IF and ONLY IF….the thief using the s/d has super fast reflex and experience. s/d is the single most hardest build to play in the game. if played right …people think you cheat.

^This. Build is irrelevant if you don’t know how to maximize toolset efficiency with s/d. Requiring more instantaneous decisions during the fight than other weapon sets. Very rewarding when you down your opponent, without BS or HS, though.

yes but with this build its harder to land a hit/deal with than d/p! thats why i use both at the same time with a hybrid between both builds! D/p cant deal with certain builds. the ones it cant i notice s/d does better. and vice versa. its incredibly hard to learn and there is no equivocal build that is as hard to master.

I have some thoughts about it already, but how do you specially trait it, to call it a hybrid build?

awgardner.9634:

I strongly beg to differ. I love how people get on the forums and smash one build over another, spraying that one particular build will prevail above all else. If this were the case, everyone would roll that particular build… HOWEVER

Shadows Embrace removes a condition upon entering stealth, and every 3 seconds while in stealth, I am willing to bet that I can stealth, unload, and beat that condition removal with bleeds, and poisons… while putting your SE to shame

EDIT: Already have while I typed this reply

EDIT: While your proclamation is informative and educational, as well as to an extent, true… you are not accounting for spam unloads, and CnD’s. PLUS any well played class knows how to adapt to any situation

Ok, first, you do not get the “Unload” attack by using P/D. You get sneak attack which requires you to CnD off something first and can only be used once per stealth. So you have less access to stealth if I am using D/P because I can stealth any time I want. Which means, as soon I see a large bleed stack on myself. I drop black powder, hit HS, and I clear all your damage and end up gaining life as well from shadow rejuv.

Unload is a P/P dual skill which is 100% power damage and nothing to do with condition. Sneak attack looks very similar to unload but it applies bleeds along with decent power damage.

SE removes a condition IMMEDIATELY upon stealthing. Good bye stack of bleeds every time I stealth.

Wild bill is a great player and definitely the one who brought P/D to the forefront, but the build is not the best build for solo wvw roaming because it takes a long time to kill something. Especially with the recent 4s nerf to revealed.

Just the other day in spvp I was running this build and I fought 2 different thieves at the same time. Both were condition build. One was D/D and other was P/D. They both died horribly because I removed my stack of bleeds every stealth.

P/D is good for killing noobs, that’s about it.

Zumy.6318:

I have some thoughts about it already, but how do you specially trait it, to call it a hybrid build?

If Im not wrong, they build something like 10/30/xx/xx/0 or 0/30/xx/xx/0.
I will use 0/30/20/20/0 with d/p and s/d..
I will try it and decide myself howI fitted more on my playstyle also on gear choice etc.

malikah.6280:

Zumy.6318:

I have some thoughts about it already, but how do you specially trait it, to call it a hybrid build?

If Im not wrong, they build something like 10/30/xx/xx/0 or 0/30/xx/xx/0.
I will use 0/30/20/20/0 with d/p and s/d..
I will try it and decide myself howI fitted more on my playstyle also on gear choice etc.

whenever i hear about hybrids (my state of mind tells me) that it is a combination of spike raw damage + condition damage?

or they are talking about otherwise?

swinsk.6410:

awgardner.9634:

If you want to follow in the footsteps of one of the greatest Thieves to play the game, you should check out the Wild Bill videos on youtube demonstrating how when played right, his P/D build its a force to be feared. Not one of his videos is 1v1s, 1v2’s and UP only. He has truly perfected his profession and spec. I followed him and built a toon to be just like him, though my skills are a little off from what he is capable of, I can verify that what he does is absolutely possible when perfected, but I guess same goes for any spec.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that his videos are sequels. He has posted them since the early days and you watch a master piece unfold over hours upon hours of footage. Detailed and very informative.

Any thief with shadows embrace will destroy P/D thief with ease…

I have no problems wearing down shadow embrace thieves… you just have to make sure they have 3 conditions on them at all times… bleeds, poison and cripple.

Having D/D and P/D is key.

Oldgrimm.8521:

malikah.6280:

Zumy.6318:

I have some thoughts about it already, but how do you specially trait it, to call it a hybrid build?

If Im not wrong, they build something like 10/30/xx/xx/0 or 0/30/xx/xx/0.
I will use 0/30/20/20/0 with d/p and s/d..
I will try it and decide myself howI fitted more on my playstyle also on gear choice etc.

whenever i hear about hybrids (my state of mind tells me) that it is a combination of spike raw damage + condition damage?

or they are talking about otherwise?

Its more about combining s/d with d/p like nyspar showed in his vid and also trav practice.
Not quite sure, but I think thats what they mean ^^

so they define hybrid as a style of weapon switching? heheeheh

(so all classes that uses weapon switching is a hybrid)

eg warrior with hammer for CC/control and GS for damage is a hybrid?

like thief s/d for control/sustained and d/p for spike and deception

Faeyd.5094:

I have no problems wearing down shadow embrace thieves… you just have to make sure they have 3 conditions on them at all times… bleeds, poison and cripple.

Having D/D and P/D is key.

That’s pretty hard to do. Engineers even have a problem keep conditions on me and they can get 5 or 6 conditions going at a time.

All the D/P thief needs to do is chain stealth once and all your conditions are gone.

D/P + SE + good player = not dieing to conditions ever…

Even if I get immob, just drop black powder, heart seeker, and then as you enter stealth, good bye immob…

Condition damage sucks as a thief. If you want to kill stuff with conditions make a necro imo.

In my personal experience, the reason why I like to go S/D and D/P when roaming is because of the unexpected (for me anyway) synergy.

When I play S/D, the last thing I want to do is stealth unless I’m in deep trouble and need to be defensive. Sword mainhand for me is all about control and autoattack chain, and keeping your autoattacks up by avoiding hits with FS, and then teleport back when I’m taking too much damage/getting cc-ed.

Stealth prevents me from doing damage on S/D, (some people can use tactical strike very well, I am not one of these people unfortunately). BUT! Since I am in stealth and being “defensive,” I can just opt to weapon swap to D/P and 5k backstab in your behind, oh my!!!

(Alternatively, I choose to swap to D/P when I know the guy just used up his heal and is one or 2 BS away from being dead).

I’ve seen this done effectively many different ways, I opt to stay S/D 80% of the time and go D/P for the kill, works out fine for my skill level (which is ELITE!!! Only when I’m dreaming however). Seen other people do the exact opposite with equal success.

EDIT: If a P/D thief is trying to rack up 15+ stacks of bleeds on you, he’s playing this wrong. The idea of that build is a war of attrition, to apply more bleeds than you can cleanse, to constantly keep you in bleeds so you maintain 3-5 stacks of bleeds. P/D can apply more bleeds than you can cleanse w/ SE or whatever. The game then becomes can you, as P/D, avoid damage and stack bleeds better than the thief can condi cleanse and burst you down? All about skill at that point, I think it’s a viable build. The playstyle just bores me to tears.

I’m P/D, and I ran into this thief running S/D while I was with 2 servermates in WvW, he kept three of us busy with all the stealth and misdirection. I was impressed by the set and his skill. We couldn’t drop him, but then again, he couldn’t drop us either and we did manage to push him off the sentry point.

Not that the sentry point helps all that much with winning WvW, but it was a very fun and interesting experience.

I play P/D in a way that it isn’t as much about attrition as it is about not getting bloody killed or poisony killed or bursty killed... I wanna live!

swinsk.6410:

Faeyd.5094:

I have no problems wearing down shadow embrace thieves… you just have to make sure they have 3 conditions on them at all times… bleeds, poison and cripple.

Having D/D and P/D is key.

That’s pretty hard to do. Engineers even have a problem keep conditions on me and they can get 5 or 6 conditions going at a time.

All the D/P thief needs to do is chain stealth once and all your conditions are gone.

D/P + SE + good player = not dieing to conditions ever…

Even if I get immob, just drop black powder, heart seeker, and then as you enter stealth, good bye immob…

Condition damage sucks as a thief. If you want to kill stuff with conditions make a necro imo.

I find it easy to keep all 3 on. Poison is on auto-chain for dagger (and steal of course), bleeds on DB and cripple on dagger also. P/D is the lesser part of the condition spec.

You may be better, but there is not one thief on any spec that wins a 1v1 in SPVP aginst that when I am stacking heavy heals (so even less condi damage). And I can keep 20 stacks of bleed on pretty easily. Now if they want to get away that’s OK and stalemates are common, but they aren’t killing a D/D P/D heal thief.