Guild Wars 2

This is just an idea/opinion.

Shadow arts are supposed to be about perfecting your skills in stealth right? So why does our gm in the tree have nothing to do with helping us get into stealth?

We are given a heal that may as well not heal at all because 180 health a second isn’t saving anyone when Mes and Ele’s are AOE’n for 3k just by existing. We are given a poison share……woooo >.>. And we are given whenever we stealth blind surrounding enemies…this skill every now and then helps out but still….not worth of GM.

IMO one of these GM need to be changed to put thief’s back on top as stealthies. Right now there is NO REASON to play a thief. D/D Ele’s do our damage, if not more, and have greater survival, and Mesmers make our stealth look like a fat kid hiding behind a skinny tree. I think one of the GM in this tree should be you no long are effected by “Revealed”. It would at least give us something that we do better than another class.

And before anyone gets into CnD spam…..that skill costs 6 Initiative…..so sure….you can use it up to 3 times in a row no problem…..if you are killing someone by using nothing but CnD then you are fighting an AFK…..I’m actually pretty sure you cant even kill an AFK with just CnD :P.

I just think it’s dumb that someone who has focused their training on stealth and hiding has the same restrictions as every other fighter on the battlefield who havent focused their training in the shadows.

It’s also pointless to be a theif…as mentioned before. Mesmers stealth better than us, d/d ele’s burst and survive better than us…….c’mon Anet, give us something…..

It’s fine if you are playing d/p…the best set. SA has been unjustifiably nerfed(it’s not related to evades at all) SE needs to be reverted, CiS needs to drop back to master tier reduce the blind to 3 sec if you have to, the fall damage part can replace Last Refuge which no one will obviously use seriously no one will ever use it, SRej feels useless because you are either not playing d/p and it’s competing with CiS which again has to drop to master tier, merge Leeching Venom with Venomous Aura. New GM using a stolen skills gives you resistance and regen 3 sec.

Thief still has better mobility so decap role is pretty much permanent to us. They’ve made good changes even if somewhat UP for offense but for defense Acro/SA they messed up. I know tempest and DH need a lot work but the easier stuff first please.

Did I mentioned SA is not related to evades? DD or d/p are no excuse for the “incidents”.

At the least, Thieves should be able to account for being Revealed. I still think there should be a new trait (or modification to an old one like Revealed Training in DA) that gives you Protection for the duration of Revealed or something similar.

l2p

SA is overpower now, there is no counter for the stealth. please learn to play the game with your brain, dont be kitten.

3 backstab and CnD doesnt kill a girl ? time to school boy

Arlowslol.1974:

l2p

SA is overpower now, there is no counter for the stealth. please learn to play the game with your brain, dont be kitten.

3 backstab and CnD doesnt kill a girl ? time to school boy

Lulz.

Arlowslol.1974:

l2p

SA is overpower now, there is no counter for the stealth. please learn to play the game with your brain, dont be kitten.

3 backstab and CnD doesnt kill a girl ? time to school boy

looks someone’s brain got nerfed. to death i’d say ^^

ok. now serious part of my post:
stealth… yes it is kinda op. it allows us to move among enemies without their knowledge about our position.

stealth is our mechanics, its hard to stay alive without using stealth (especially after 23.06 patch) cuz we dont have any true active defence. Now many classes/specs are getting or already have skills and traits that apply revealed what breaks our mechanics and whole trait line. if bs is my main dmg source but other classes can simply make me unable to use it, its not counterplay. its breaking mechanics. its like increasing ele’s atunement swap cd to 1 min, reducing ranger’s lb range to 1, revenant’s energy beeing stuck at 0 for 10s or “your block skills and aegis no longer block attacks” you know which class it is ^^ . would it be ok? of course not! so why on thief it is ok?

i’d willingly see SRej going baseline and beeing replaced by “no longer afftected by revealed” thingy and giving stealth skills a 3s cd after successfully landing on enemy. we cant use them more frequently anyway. the only problem can be cd on auto attack :P we’d need a 3rd slot on class bar, but anet already have it implemented for warr’s spec’s burst skills. for thieves it would require stealth instead of adrenaline and max would be 1, not 10 (or stealth can be counted as 10).

Querini.6918:

Arlowslol.1974:

l2p

SA is overpower now, there is no counter for the stealth. please learn to play the game with your brain, dont be kitten.

3 backstab and CnD doesnt kill a girl ? time to school boy

looks someone’s brain got nerfed. to death i’d say ^^

ok. now serious part of my post:
stealth… yes it is kinda op. it allows us to move among enemies without their knowledge about our position.

stealth is our mechanics, its hard to stay alive without using stealth (especially after 23.06 patch) cuz we dont have any true active defence. Now many classes/specs are getting or already have skills and traits that apply revealed what breaks our mechanics and whole trait line. if bs is my main dmg source but other classes can simply make me unable to use it, its not counterplay. its breaking mechanics. its like increasing ele’s atunement swap cd to 1 min, reducing ranger’s lb range to 1, revenant’s energy beeing stuck at 0 for 10s or “your block skills and aegis no longer block attacks” you know which class it is ^^ . would it be ok? of course not! so why on thief it is ok?

i’d willingly see SRej going baseline and beeing replaced by “no longer afftected by revealed” thingy and giving stealth skills a 3s cd after successfully landing on enemy. we cant use them more frequently anyway. the only problem can be cd on auto attack :P we’d need a 3rd slot on class bar, but anet already have it implemented for warr’s spec’s burst skills. for thieves it would require stealth instead of adrenaline and max would be 1, not 10 (or stealth can be counted as 10).

guess you never play pvp.

why pu shatter and SA dp in meta?because of stealth.

stealth ruin others burst build even the sd thief.

SRej baseline?this trait is the most overpower trait in SA. this trait make you unbeatable,just stay in stealth you wont die,except you suck.

why 5 ele lose but 4ele1dp is win?

boy, play pvp and use your kitten brain

btw:SA thief also kill sd thief in wvw, have you play other build or class? I guess no

so l2p poor brain

Arlowslol.1974:

Querini.6918:

Arlowslol.1974:

l2p

SA is overpower now, there is no counter for the stealth. please learn to play the game with your brain, dont be kitten.

3 backstab and CnD doesnt kill a girl ? time to school boy

looks someone’s brain got nerfed. to death i’d say ^^

ok. now serious part of my post:
stealth… yes it is kinda op. it allows us to move among enemies without their knowledge about our position.

stealth is our mechanics, its hard to stay alive without using stealth (especially after 23.06 patch) cuz we dont have any true active defence. Now many classes/specs are getting or already have skills and traits that apply revealed what breaks our mechanics and whole trait line. if bs is my main dmg source but other classes can simply make me unable to use it, its not counterplay. its breaking mechanics. its like increasing ele’s atunement swap cd to 1 min, reducing ranger’s lb range to 1, revenant’s energy beeing stuck at 0 for 10s or “your block skills and aegis no longer block attacks” you know which class it is ^^ . would it be ok? of course not! so why on thief it is ok?

i’d willingly see SRej going baseline and beeing replaced by “no longer afftected by revealed” thingy and giving stealth skills a 3s cd after successfully landing on enemy. we cant use them more frequently anyway. the only problem can be cd on auto attack :P we’d need a 3rd slot on class bar, but anet already have it implemented for warr’s spec’s burst skills. for thieves it would require stealth instead of adrenaline and max would be 1, not 10 (or stealth can be counted as 10).

guess you never play pvp.

why pu shatter and SA dp in meta?because of stealth.

stealth ruin others burst build even the sd thief.

SRej baseline?this trait is the most overpower trait in SA. this trait make you unbeatable,just stay in stealth you wont die,except you suck.

why 5 ele lose but 4ele1dp is win?

boy, play pvp and use your kitten brain

btw:SA thief also kill sd thief in wvw, have you play other build or class? I guess no

so l2p poor brain

Please say d/p SA and not just SA. You’re making a fool of yourself lulz the point is SA got gutted badly for the other sets way to miss it :/ in WvW it’s dire and food that’s keeping p/d alive you need to show me d/d killing either s/d or d/p.

Again lulz.

Sagat.3285:

Arlowslol.1974:

Querini.6918:

Arlowslol.1974:

l2p

SA is overpower now, there is no counter for the stealth. please learn to play the game with your brain, dont be kitten.

3 backstab and CnD doesnt kill a girl ? time to school boy

looks someone’s brain got nerfed. to death i’d say ^^

ok. now serious part of my post:
stealth… yes it is kinda op. it allows us to move among enemies without their knowledge about our position.

stealth is our mechanics, its hard to stay alive without using stealth (especially after 23.06 patch) cuz we dont have any true active defence. Now many classes/specs are getting or already have skills and traits that apply revealed what breaks our mechanics and whole trait line. if bs is my main dmg source but other classes can simply make me unable to use it, its not counterplay. its breaking mechanics. its like increasing ele’s atunement swap cd to 1 min, reducing ranger’s lb range to 1, revenant’s energy beeing stuck at 0 for 10s or “your block skills and aegis no longer block attacks” you know which class it is ^^ . would it be ok? of course not! so why on thief it is ok?

i’d willingly see SRej going baseline and beeing replaced by “no longer afftected by revealed” thingy and giving stealth skills a 3s cd after successfully landing on enemy. we cant use them more frequently anyway. the only problem can be cd on auto attack :P we’d need a 3rd slot on class bar, but anet already have it implemented for warr’s spec’s burst skills. for thieves it would require stealth instead of adrenaline and max would be 1, not 10 (or stealth can be counted as 10).

guess you never play pvp.

why pu shatter and SA dp in meta?because of stealth.

stealth ruin others burst build even the sd thief.

SRej baseline?this trait is the most overpower trait in SA. this trait make you unbeatable,just stay in stealth you wont die,except you suck.

why 5 ele lose but 4ele1dp is win?

boy, play pvp and use your kitten brain

btw:SA thief also kill sd thief in wvw, have you play other build or class? I guess no

so l2p poor brain

Please say d/p SA and not just SA. You’re making a fool of yourself lulz the point is SA got gutted badly for the other sets way to miss it :/ in WvW it’s dire and food that’s keeping p/d alive you need to show me d/d killing either s/d or d/p.

Again lulz.

just learn to play boy.

is that SA’s problem or D/D ’s problem?

so you want to set DD up and make dp into god?

keyboard fighter always have no brain

go into pvp and play a match ,or go to school this game isnt for fool

Arlowslol.1974:

Sagat.3285:

Arlowslol.1974:

Querini.6918:

Arlowslol.1974:

l2p

SA is overpower now, there is no counter for the stealth. please learn to play the game with your brain, dont be kitten.

3 backstab and CnD doesnt kill a girl ? time to school boy

looks someone’s brain got nerfed. to death i’d say ^^

ok. now serious part of my post:
stealth… yes it is kinda op. it allows us to move among enemies without their knowledge about our position.

stealth is our mechanics, its hard to stay alive without using stealth (especially after 23.06 patch) cuz we dont have any true active defence. Now many classes/specs are getting or already have skills and traits that apply revealed what breaks our mechanics and whole trait line. if bs is my main dmg source but other classes can simply make me unable to use it, its not counterplay. its breaking mechanics. its like increasing ele’s atunement swap cd to 1 min, reducing ranger’s lb range to 1, revenant’s energy beeing stuck at 0 for 10s or “your block skills and aegis no longer block attacks” you know which class it is ^^ . would it be ok? of course not! so why on thief it is ok?

i’d willingly see SRej going baseline and beeing replaced by “no longer afftected by revealed” thingy and giving stealth skills a 3s cd after successfully landing on enemy. we cant use them more frequently anyway. the only problem can be cd on auto attack :P we’d need a 3rd slot on class bar, but anet already have it implemented for warr’s spec’s burst skills. for thieves it would require stealth instead of adrenaline and max would be 1, not 10 (or stealth can be counted as 10).

guess you never play pvp.

why pu shatter and SA dp in meta?because of stealth.

stealth ruin others burst build even the sd thief.

SRej baseline?this trait is the most overpower trait in SA. this trait make you unbeatable,just stay in stealth you wont die,except you suck.

why 5 ele lose but 4ele1dp is win?

boy, play pvp and use your kitten brain

btw:SA thief also kill sd thief in wvw, have you play other build or class? I guess no

so l2p poor brain

Please say d/p SA and not just SA. You’re making a fool of yourself lulz the point is SA got gutted badly for the other sets way to miss it :/ in WvW it’s dire and food that’s keeping p/d alive you need to show me d/d killing either s/d or d/p.

Again lulz.

just learn to play boy.

is that SA’s problem or D/D ’s problem?

so you want to set DD up and make dp into god?

keyboard fighter always have no brain

go into pvp and play a match ,or go to school this game isnt for fool

If you really have a thief you would know the changes would not skyrocket d/p’s power SE originally removed all conditions and d/p doesn’t bother taking CiS so dropping it to master like it used to has no effects on it. So what’s making d/p into god again?

Don’t be so impulsive lulz.

Edit: “keyboard fighter” that’s hilarious btw

Arlowslol.1974:

guess you never play pvp.

why pu shatter and SA dp in meta?because of stealth.

stealth ruin others burst build even the sd thief.

SRej baseline?this trait is the most overpower trait in SA. this trait make you unbeatable,just stay in stealth you wont die,except you suck.

why 5 ele lose but 4ele1dp is win?

boy, play pvp and use your kitten brain

btw:SA thief also kill sd thief in wvw, have you play other build or class? I guess no

so l2p poor brain

guess your babysitter didnt explain you clearly enough what i meant.

i’m playing mostly wvw and sometimes spvp (but i dont care much about spvp)… every word i said was related to pvp so i think you’re blind or its just learn to understand issue. idk

ehh anyway: i’m curious.. what class(es) are you playing? cuz i think you never played thief or mesmer.

“why pu shatter and SA dp in meta?because of stealth.
stealth ruin others burst build even the sd thief.”
well… engi and rangers also have access to stealth. in wvw there are trapper runes that give even more access to stealth to rangers, and in future to dragon hunters. can you explain me why engi and ranger are not meta pls? their stealth is making them invisible.. same as thief’s and mesmer’s stealth!

“stealth ruin others burst build even the sd thief.” i’m not sure.. you mean that sd thief’s stealth ruin others classes burst or other (e.g. dp) thief’s stealth ruin sd’s burst?
and please explain me how stealth can ruin burst. if thief decide to attack he need to become visible, then you can burst him. if he’s in stealth:

• in spvp its good for you because you can cap point, or if you defend he cant decap.
• in wvw if he’s regenerating in stealth your defensive skills are losing their cd slowly without any need to pop them

I’m playing bs thief and i usually start a fight with cc(venom or traited steal) and mesmer’s cc return trait or necro’s fear on incoming cc ruin my burst. you see? stealth burst also can be ruined! are you going to cry about these 2 traits? why not?

“SRej baseline?this trait is the most overpower trait in SA. this trait make you unbeatable,just stay in stealth you wont die,except you suck.” in stealth i do no dmg and cant cap anything so yeah, if i permastealth i cant die but whats the point of doing that? SRej is not that op. many classes have much more regen than this trait gives to thief and can still do dmg during it. whats more op? “i regen but you have some time to do same” or “i regen but buahahha i’m still able to keep bursting you”

“why 5 ele lose but 4ele1dp is win?” i think thief’s mobility, so ability to make fast decaps/caps can be the reason. also thanks to mobility thief (dp in this case) can join any fight really fast and make some nasty dmg with bs-hs combo

“boy, play pvp and use your kitten brain” i do, both, but if i meet a warr popping berserker stance, ep and rampage at the beginning of fight and then complaining about stealth cuz i used sr and killed him when all buffs gone leaving him with all def skills on cd i’m losing my faith in some ppl’s brain existence. stealth is not pure defensive nor ofenve. it is a tactical thing. e.g. ranger’s lb stealth should be used to repositioning, mesmers use… were using stealth to confuse enemy. for thief its whole class mechanics. we use it to get better position, plan next attack, wait until enemy’s def skills gone (they are still doing their’s job if thief dont attack) as thief dont have any of them. imo thief shoud feel a bit safer in stealth. baseline regen or condi removal can make us feel so.

“have you play other build or class? I guess no”
on thief in wvw i use dp da/sa/t in spvp dd with da/cs/t
i tried ranger a bit, also about 140h on warr, played mes in spvp and wvw and necro in spvp

sorry for all off top parts >.<

Querini.6918:

Arlowslol.1974:

guess you never play pvp.

why pu shatter and SA dp in meta?because of stealth.

stealth ruin others burst build even the sd thief.

SRej baseline?this trait is the most overpower trait in SA. this trait make you unbeatable,just stay in stealth you wont die,except you suck.

why 5 ele lose but 4ele1dp is win?

boy, play pvp and use your kitten brain

btw:SA thief also kill sd thief in wvw, have you play other build or class? I guess no

so l2p poor brain

guess your babysitter didnt explain you clearly enough what i meant.

i’m playing mostly wvw and sometimes spvp (but i dont care much about spvp)… every word i said was related to pvp so i think you’re blind or its just learn to understand issue. idk

ehh anyway: i’m curious.. what class(es) are you playing? cuz i think you never played thief or mesmer.

“why pu shatter and SA dp in meta?because of stealth.
stealth ruin others burst build even the sd thief.”
well… engi and rangers also have access to stealth. in wvw there are trapper runes that give even more access to stealth to rangers, and in future to dragon hunters. can you explain me why engi and ranger are not meta pls? their stealth is making them invisible.. same as thief’s and mesmer’s stealth!

“stealth ruin others burst build even the sd thief.” i’m not sure.. you mean that sd thief’s stealth ruin others classes burst or other (e.g. dp) thief’s stealth ruin sd’s burst?
and please explain me how stealth can ruin burst. if thief decide to attack he need to become visible, then you can burst him. if he’s in stealth:

• in spvp its good for you because you can cap point, or if you defend he cant decap.
• in wvw if he’s regenerating in stealth your defensive skills are losing their cd slowly without any need to pop them

I’m playing bs thief and i usually start a fight with cc(venom or traited steal) and mesmer’s cc return trait or necro’s fear on incoming cc ruin my burst. you see? stealth burst also can be ruined! are you going to cry about these 2 traits? why not?

“SRej baseline?this trait is the most overpower trait in SA. this trait make you unbeatable,just stay in stealth you wont die,except you suck.” in stealth i do no dmg and cant cap anything so yeah, if i permastealth i cant die but whats the point of doing that? SRej is not that op. many classes have much more regen than this trait gives to thief and can still do dmg during it. whats more op? “i regen but you have some time to do same” or “i regen but buahahha i’m still able to keep bursting you”

“why 5 ele lose but 4ele1dp is win?” i think thief’s mobility, so ability to make fast decaps/caps can be the reason. also thanks to mobility thief (dp in this case) can join any fight really fast and make some nasty dmg with bs-hs combo

“boy, play pvp and use your kitten brain” i do, both, but if i meet a warr popping berserker stance, ep and rampage at the beginning of fight and then complaining about stealth cuz i used sr and killed him when all buffs gone leaving him with all def skills on cd i’m losing my faith in some ppl’s brain existence. stealth is not pure defensive nor ofenve. it is a tactical thing. e.g. ranger’s lb stealth should be used to repositioning, mesmers use… were using stealth to confuse enemy. for thief its whole class mechanics. we use it to get better position, plan next attack, wait until enemy’s def skills gone (they are still doing their’s job if thief dont attack) as thief dont have any of them. imo thief shoud feel a bit safer in stealth. baseline regen or condi removal can make us feel so.

“have you play other build or class? I guess no”
on thief in wvw i use dp da/sa/t in spvp dd with da/cs/t
i tried ranger a bit, also about 140h on warr, played mes in spvp and wvw and necro in spvp

sorry for all off top parts >.<

there is no ranger in any ESL games now. pvp have no trap rune.

and have you play ranger and engi in pvp? how much stealth they have ?guess you dont know. and even now thief is not the one who fight ON the point.so dont talk about stealth cant cap, it’s no need ,even the evade thief cant stand on point over the fight.
learn to konw what is rotation.

again, stealth build ruin the “burst build” in this game, DA/CS/Tri is suck in pvp, SA thief can kill any burst thief or evade thief. ele?ele is about to be nerf in next balanced patch, you wanna be thr next one?

SRje have more health than others burst build, have more chance to land attack. SRje is dominated wvw since day 1. SA and PU now ruin other builds in pvp, even misha is took pu shatter in last ESL final. and there is only one build in pvp that thief have: dp/sb DA/SA/Tri.

I play thief, mes, engi, ele and SD thieg is my main. lost of time in pvp . guess you never watch the ESL and play like noob in pvp

wvw? who care that kitten pd+dp gay fight? I dont care that kitten wvw duel because anet never balanced game for wvw .