Guild Wars 2

The more ways that Thieves can be locked out of stealth, the more obvious it will become that they are actually an underpowered class whose underpoweredness has been masked by the efficacy of Stealth in PvP from day one.

So, here’s hoping to some iterative buffs in other areas.

On the bright side… you’re revealed.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

On the bright side… you’re revealed.

On the dark side…Anet doesn’t seem to care about their design mistakes.

Black Teagan.9215:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

On the bright side… you’re revealed.

On the dark side…Anet doesn’t seem to care about their design mistakes.

On the bright side… Colin acknowledge that they screwed up.

On the dark side… Every part of the article was about PvE leveling and has nothing to do with thieves.

I havent seen a QQ post for a few days now tbh. I’m starting to think they’ve run out of ideas… :/
I mean there’s an easy one… daggers now cleave! <- that just begs to be cried about.

On the bright side…not every patch you see ArenaNet admits their screw-ups.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

On the bright side… you’re revealed.

Revealed Training builds going to be a new thing?

Geiir.7603:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

On the bright side… you’re revealed.

Revealed Training builds going to be a new thing?

On the bright side…it could be.

On the dark side…only if there are any Thief left. I’m shelving my Thief — all 3 of them — probably time for a 3rd Warrior or a 2nd Ranger.

On the bright side… if everyone left, I would be the best thief in the world!

I’m going to try out revealed training + p/p for absolutely no reason.

Lamuness.3570:

On the bright side… if everyone left, I would be the best thief in the world!

I’m going to try out revealed training + p/p for absolutely no reason.

On the dark side…you’re also the going to be the worst Thief in the world.

On the right side, thief is as stale as a bag of chex mix from the early 2000’s.

Can the Dev’s who “work” on thief just retire or move to another profession? Cycle in some competent perspective so some of us can go back to enjoying the class instead of sulking

all they do is nerf what works and buff meaninglessly buff venom share.
even if they realize how terrible the thief profession is atm and decide to buff it a bit, it will not happen this ear so… you might as well play a different game until then , just like I’m doing.

@Volrath
Yup, pretty much what I’m doing. Though passively working towards a “legendary”, by flipping kitten on TP…
I tried playing guardian and warrior for a bit… but it was too boring, they really couldn’t hold me for more than 20 minutes of game play.

dark side we dont know when to give up
on the bright side we love our jobs

caveman.5840:

thieves

Hmmm… I say it’s more like this.

caveman.5840:

dark side we dont know when to give up
on the bright side we love our jobs

With the recent nerfs it’s more like:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Black Teagan.9215:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

On the bright side… you’re revealed.

On the dark side…Anet doesn’t seem to care about their design mistakes.

On the bright side… Colin acknowledge that they screwed up.

On the Dark side, I see a whole bunch of text referring to PvE flubs and oversights. Even the talk about bugs is related to PvE nonsense. Nothing related to the mess that was the PvP balance changes. Not trying to be adversarial, I just can’t find the same hope here that you’re seeing.

On the bright side, I’m finally just going to go SA and troll.

evilapprentice.6379:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Black Teagan.9215:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

On the bright side… you’re revealed.

On the dark side…Anet doesn’t seem to care about their design mistakes.

On the bright side… Colin acknowledge that they screwed up.

On the Dark side, I see a whole bunch of text referring to PvE flubs and oversights. Even the talk about bugs is related to PvE nonsense. Nothing related to the mess that was the PvP balance changes. Not trying to be adversarial, I just can’t find the same hope here that you’re seeing.

On the bright side… a lot of those PvE nonsense might be the reason why a lot of skills are not working properly. With the new leveling hand-holding, they are trying to disable a lot of skills until it is unlocked on a certain level. And I suspect, that is the culprit will these bugs.

On the bright side, I’m finally just going to go SA and troll.

Don’t forget to trait for Venom Aura. lol.

On the dark side, PvE players don’t really seem to care about mechanics compared to a fashionable looking character! And PvE has the greatest player base. So we are kittied.

Menzies The Heretic.3415:

On the dark side, PvE players don’t really seem to care about mechanics compared to a fashionable looking character! And PvE has the greatest player base. So we are kittied.

On the bright side…you’re wrong.

The more ways that Thieves can be locked out of stealth, the more obvious it will become that they are actually an underpowered class whose underpoweredness has been masked by the efficacy of Stealth

On the bright side, you won’t be able to 1 vs 10 stealthing every 3 seconds. If you want to fight 1 vs 10 nasty things will happen! OBVIOUSLY!

Are you calling the thief underpowered just because when you go and fight 5 enemies you get killed? How about you do not go and fight them or else you will get punished.

Hahahaha thief tear so yummy yummy yummy.

Hitman.5829:

The more ways that Thieves can be locked out of stealth, the more obvious it will become that they are actually an underpowered class whose underpoweredness has been masked by the efficacy of Stealth

On the bright side, you won’t be able to 1 vs 10 stealthing every 3 seconds. If you want to fight 1 vs 10 nasty things will happen! OBVIOUSLY!

Are you calling the thief underpowered just because when you go and fight 5 enemies you get killed? How about you do not go and fight them or else you will get punished.

Hahahaha thief tear so yummy yummy yummy.

For a thief to actually kill a person in 1v10 or even 1 vs 5, the entire group would have to so terrible that I’d be amazed they managed to walk around without getting beaten up by monsters. People will complain about anything that kills them. With all the nerfs thief has been getting, the only ones who stick around are the ones who are actually in love with the class and probably better at it than some FotMer.

Huh….on the bright side we got trap thieves in WvW…

The dark side: S/D got kittening neutered. Steal + infiltrators signet is bugged as kitten.

The bright side:

We’re freaking thieves. Our class mechanic is stealing. We’re not some do-gooders like guardians. We’re sneaky snakes with no morals.

In WvW, we’re still easily the most bad-kitten and feared class in the mists. Sure rangers are giving us a run for our money, but no class can ever 1vX like a thief can due to stealth, and nobody can annoy/sidetrack full zergs lie a thief can. Thieves are the GODS of roaming, and always will be, no matter how many rangers or reveals. If I’m feeling particularly social and want to run with a party venom- share is a cool option.

TL;DR: PvP is rough, I feel way more valuable on my power necro, despite them being much weaker verses the oh so common power ranger. WvW however, is absolute paradise, and has always been for me. I honestly feel sorry for other classes in WvW.

Necrotize.2974:

Hitman.5829:

The more ways that Thieves can be locked out of stealth, the more obvious it will become that they are actually an underpowered class whose underpoweredness has been masked by the efficacy of Stealth

On the bright side, you won’t be able to 1 vs 10 stealthing every 3 seconds. If you want to fight 1 vs 10 nasty things will happen! OBVIOUSLY!

Are you calling the thief underpowered just because when you go and fight 5 enemies you get killed? How about you do not go and fight them or else you will get punished.

Hahahaha thief tear so yummy yummy yummy.

For a thief to actually kill a person in 1v10 or even 1 vs 5, the entire group would have to so terrible that I’d be amazed they managed to walk around without getting beaten up by monsters. People will complain about anything that kills them. With all the nerfs thief has been getting, the only ones who stick around are the ones who are actually in love with the class and probably better at it than some FotMer.

That is not the point, the point is that you should not even be able to 1 vs 5 without proper punishment. Now, you will think twice before engaging 5 people.

• If a warrior takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If X class takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If thief takes on 5 people he is being OP.

Well, no more! if you want to fight 1vs5 be prepare to get some punishment just like everyone else.

oversoul soldier.1742:

Hitman.5829:

Necrotize.2974:

Hitman.5829:

The more ways that Thieves can be locked out of stealth, the more obvious it will become that they are actually an underpowered class whose underpoweredness has been masked by the efficacy of Stealth

On the bright side, you won’t be able to 1 vs 10 stealthing every 3 seconds. If you want to fight 1 vs 10 nasty things will happen! OBVIOUSLY!

Are you calling the thief underpowered just because when you go and fight 5 enemies you get killed? How about you do not go and fight them or else you will get punished.

Hahahaha thief tear so yummy yummy yummy.

For a thief to actually kill a person in 1v10 or even 1 vs 5, the entire group would have to so terrible that I’d be amazed they managed to walk around without getting beaten up by monsters. People will complain about anything that kills them. With all the nerfs thief has been getting, the only ones who stick around are the ones who are actually in love with the class and probably better at it than some FotMer.

That is not the point, the point is that you should not even be able to 1 vs 5 without proper punishment. Now, you will think twice before engaging 5 people.

• If a warrior takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If X class takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If thief takes on 5 people he is being OP.

Well, no more! if you want to fight 1vs5 be prepare to get some punishment just like everyone else.

Oh right you’re one of those guys. You know those guys who like to frequent forums make outlandish claims, antagonize others, and generally garner the ire of everyone around him. What do we call those people again?

Anyway if you do truly believe that what your posting is an accurate representation of the thief profession in this game and not a gross exaggeration, I think you may just be a lost cause. Don’t do drugs kids, this guy’s post is the only PSA you’ll ever need.

Hmm, not sure what you talking about,since you are a wvwer, in WvW, dp thieves are easily the cheese, because there’s no proper PvP nerfs applied to PvE such as revealed time, and it’s not point capture focused and stack a lot of stats so they can run shadow rejuv.

there’s easily way more bandwagoners carried by thief in WvW then steal acro s/d did during the last patch in pvp

I stopped rougin around at the speed of sound a few weeks before they talked about what they were doing to thief. and honestly I’m sad to my once favorite class getting “fix after fix”. I hop on him from time to time as of late but after the Sd engi buff that it got. its hard for me to play on what feels like now, low damage.

Hitman.5829:

oversoul soldier.1742:

Hitman.5829:

Necrotize.2974:

Hitman.5829:

The more ways that Thieves can be locked out of stealth, the more obvious it will become that they are actually an underpowered class whose underpoweredness has been masked by the efficacy of Stealth

On the bright side, you won’t be able to 1 vs 10 stealthing every 3 seconds. If you want to fight 1 vs 10 nasty things will happen! OBVIOUSLY!

Are you calling the thief underpowered just because when you go and fight 5 enemies you get killed? How about you do not go and fight them or else you will get punished.

Hahahaha thief tear so yummy yummy yummy.

For a thief to actually kill a person in 1v10 or even 1 vs 5, the entire group would have to so terrible that I’d be amazed they managed to walk around without getting beaten up by monsters. People will complain about anything that kills them. With all the nerfs thief has been getting, the only ones who stick around are the ones who are actually in love with the class and probably better at it than some FotMer.

That is not the point, the point is that you should not even be able to 1 vs 5 without proper punishment. Now, you will think twice before engaging 5 people.

• If a warrior takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If X class takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If thief takes on 5 people he is being OP.

Well, no more! if you want to fight 1vs5 be prepare to get some punishment just like everyone else.

Oh right you’re one of those guys. You know those guys who like to frequent forums make outlandish claims, antagonize others, and generally garner the ire of everyone around him. What do we call those people again?

Anyway if you do truly believe that what your posting is an accurate representation of the thief profession in this game and not a gross exaggeration, I think you may just be a lost cause. Don’t do drugs kids, this guy’s post is the only PSA you’ll ever need.

AHAHAHAHA thief tears yummy yummy yummy. Oh no I no longer can take 1 vs 5, this is somehow unfair! why can’t my thief take 1 vs 5 no more? Anet please do not do this; this is so unfair! yummy yummy tears!

K, some serious issues going on with this guy. He comes here crying about how thief was so unfair before and that while in a group with 4 other guys his group was getting wrecked by a single thief. Then when someone says that’s probably an exaggeration, he accuses them of crying. Great logic.

Also @ Simon what are you getting at? You honestly believe what Hitman is saying, that one thief can kill a group of 5 players regularly? That this was a normal occurrence in the game? Honestly, not even sure why you quoted my post.

oversoul soldier.1742:

Hitman.5829:

oversoul soldier.1742:

Hitman.5829:

Necrotize.2974:

Hitman.5829:

The more ways that Thieves can be locked out of stealth, the more obvious it will become that they are actually an underpowered class whose underpoweredness has been masked by the efficacy of Stealth

On the bright side, you won’t be able to 1 vs 10 stealthing every 3 seconds. If you want to fight 1 vs 10 nasty things will happen! OBVIOUSLY!

Are you calling the thief underpowered just because when you go and fight 5 enemies you get killed? How about you do not go and fight them or else you will get punished.

Hahahaha thief tear so yummy yummy yummy.

For a thief to actually kill a person in 1v10 or even 1 vs 5, the entire group would have to so terrible that I’d be amazed they managed to walk around without getting beaten up by monsters. People will complain about anything that kills them. With all the nerfs thief has been getting, the only ones who stick around are the ones who are actually in love with the class and probably better at it than some FotMer.

That is not the point, the point is that you should not even be able to 1 vs 5 without proper punishment. Now, you will think twice before engaging 5 people.

• If a warrior takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If X class takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If thief takes on 5 people he is being OP.

Well, no more! if you want to fight 1vs5 be prepare to get some punishment just like everyone else.

Oh right you’re one of those guys. You know those guys who like to frequent forums make outlandish claims, antagonize others, and generally garner the ire of everyone around him. What do we call those people again?

Anyway if you do truly believe that what your posting is an accurate representation of the thief profession in this game and not a gross exaggeration, I think you may just be a lost cause. Don’t do drugs kids, this guy’s post is the only PSA you’ll ever need.

AHAHAHAHA thief tears yummy yummy yummy. Oh no I no longer can take 1 vs 5, this is somehow unfair! why can’t my thief take 1 vs 5 no more? Anet please do not do this; this is so unfair! yummy yummy tears!

K, some serious issues going on with this guy. He comes here crying about how thief was so unfair before and that while in a group with 4 other guys his group was getting wrecked by a single thief. Then when someone says that’s probably an exaggeration, he accuses them of crying. Great logic.

Also @ Simon what are you getting at? You honestly believe what Hitman is saying, that one thief can kill a group of 5 players regularly? That this was a normal occurrence in the game? Honestly, not even sure why you quoted my post.

hahahaha man those thief tears are so delicious! keep crying noob thieves; now a few suggestions for you:

• If you see 5 people (with one ranger or engineer) and you are a LONE roaming thief, then think twice about engaging.
• If you still engage them then you are a noob and deserve to die.

Hitman.5829:

oversoul soldier.1742:

Hitman.5829:

oversoul soldier.1742:

Hitman.5829:

Necrotize.2974:

Hitman.5829:

The more ways that Thieves can be locked out of stealth, the more obvious it will become that they are actually an underpowered class whose underpoweredness has been masked by the efficacy of Stealth

On the bright side, you won’t be able to 1 vs 10 stealthing every 3 seconds. If you want to fight 1 vs 10 nasty things will happen! OBVIOUSLY!

Are you calling the thief underpowered just because when you go and fight 5 enemies you get killed? How about you do not go and fight them or else you will get punished.

Hahahaha thief tear so yummy yummy yummy.

For a thief to actually kill a person in 1v10 or even 1 vs 5, the entire group would have to so terrible that I’d be amazed they managed to walk around without getting beaten up by monsters. People will complain about anything that kills them. With all the nerfs thief has been getting, the only ones who stick around are the ones who are actually in love with the class and probably better at it than some FotMer.

That is not the point, the point is that you should not even be able to 1 vs 5 without proper punishment. Now, you will think twice before engaging 5 people.

• If a warrior takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If X class takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If thief takes on 5 people he is being OP.

Well, no more! if you want to fight 1vs5 be prepare to get some punishment just like everyone else.

Oh right you’re one of those guys. You know those guys who like to frequent forums make outlandish claims, antagonize others, and generally garner the ire of everyone around him. What do we call those people again?

Anyway if you do truly believe that what your posting is an accurate representation of the thief profession in this game and not a gross exaggeration, I think you may just be a lost cause. Don’t do drugs kids, this guy’s post is the only PSA you’ll ever need.

AHAHAHAHA thief tears yummy yummy yummy. Oh no I no longer can take 1 vs 5, this is somehow unfair! why can’t my thief take 1 vs 5 no more? Anet please do not do this; this is so unfair! yummy yummy tears!

K, some serious issues going on with this guy. He comes here crying about how thief was so unfair before and that while in a group with 4 other guys his group was getting wrecked by a single thief. Then when someone says that’s probably an exaggeration, he accuses them of crying. Great logic.

Also @ Simon what are you getting at? You honestly believe what Hitman is saying, that one thief can kill a group of 5 players regularly? That this was a normal occurrence in the game? Honestly, not even sure why you quoted my post.

hahahaha man those thief tears are so delicious! keep crying noob thieves; now a few suggestions for you:

• If you see 5 people (with one ranger or engineer) and you are a LONE roaming thief, then think twice about engaging.
• If you still engage them then you are a noob and deserve to die.

You obviously can’t fight thieves, which is a simple fix tbh, L2p and stop crying like a 12 year old.

Hitman.5829:

oversoul soldier.1742:

Hitman.5829:

oversoul soldier.1742:

Hitman.5829:

Necrotize.2974:

Hitman.5829:

The more ways that Thieves can be locked out of stealth, the more obvious it will become that they are actually an underpowered class whose underpoweredness has been masked by the efficacy of Stealth

On the bright side, you won’t be able to 1 vs 10 stealthing every 3 seconds. If you want to fight 1 vs 10 nasty things will happen! OBVIOUSLY!

Are you calling the thief underpowered just because when you go and fight 5 enemies you get killed? How about you do not go and fight them or else you will get punished.

Hahahaha thief tear so yummy yummy yummy.

For a thief to actually kill a person in 1v10 or even 1 vs 5, the entire group would have to so terrible that I’d be amazed they managed to walk around without getting beaten up by monsters. People will complain about anything that kills them. With all the nerfs thief has been getting, the only ones who stick around are the ones who are actually in love with the class and probably better at it than some FotMer.

That is not the point, the point is that you should not even be able to 1 vs 5 without proper punishment. Now, you will think twice before engaging 5 people.

• If a warrior takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If X class takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If thief takes on 5 people he is being OP.

Well, no more! if you want to fight 1vs5 be prepare to get some punishment just like everyone else.

Oh right you’re one of those guys. You know those guys who like to frequent forums make outlandish claims, antagonize others, and generally garner the ire of everyone around him. What do we call those people again?

Anyway if you do truly believe that what your posting is an accurate representation of the thief profession in this game and not a gross exaggeration, I think you may just be a lost cause. Don’t do drugs kids, this guy’s post is the only PSA you’ll ever need.

AHAHAHAHA thief tears yummy yummy yummy. Oh no I no longer can take 1 vs 5, this is somehow unfair! why can’t my thief take 1 vs 5 no more? Anet please do not do this; this is so unfair! yummy yummy tears!

K, some serious issues going on with this guy. He comes here crying about how thief was so unfair before and that while in a group with 4 other guys his group was getting wrecked by a single thief. Then when someone says that’s probably an exaggeration, he accuses them of crying. Great logic.

Also @ Simon what are you getting at? You honestly believe what Hitman is saying, that one thief can kill a group of 5 players regularly? That this was a normal occurrence in the game? Honestly, not even sure why you quoted my post.

hahahaha man those thief tears are so delicious! keep crying noob thieves; now a few suggestions for you:

• If you see 5 people (with one ranger or engineer) and you are a LONE roaming thief, then think twice about engaging.
• If you still engage them then you are a noob and deserve to die.

You know what tears are sweeter? The tears of those 5 people with one Rngr or Engi getting ganked by 5 Thieves…thinking that the LONE thief is alone. lol.

Sagat.3285:

Huh….on the bright side we got trap thieves in WvW…

tks for the laugh!

Hitman.5829:

Necrotize.2974:

Hitman.5829:

The more ways that Thieves can be locked out of stealth, the more obvious it will become that they are actually an underpowered class whose underpoweredness has been masked by the efficacy of Stealth

On the bright side, you won’t be able to 1 vs 10 stealthing every 3 seconds. If you want to fight 1 vs 10 nasty things will happen! OBVIOUSLY!

Are you calling the thief underpowered just because when you go and fight 5 enemies you get killed? How about you do not go and fight them or else you will get punished.

Hahahaha thief tear so yummy yummy yummy.

For a thief to actually kill a person in 1v10 or even 1 vs 5, the entire group would have to so terrible that I’d be amazed they managed to walk around without getting beaten up by monsters. People will complain about anything that kills them. With all the nerfs thief has been getting, the only ones who stick around are the ones who are actually in love with the class and probably better at it than some FotMer.

That is not the point, the point is that you should not even be able to 1 vs 5 without proper punishment. Now, you will think twice before engaging 5 people.

• If a warrior takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If X class takes on 5 people (even if the players are crap) he is wishing death.
• If thief takes on 5 people he is being OP.

Well, no more! if you want to fight 1vs5 be prepare to get some punishment just like everyone else.

I would hardly call that “taking on” 5 people. If even one person is a ranger, RF laughs at your stealth. If any are ranger/engi, revealed also has a word for you. If by taking on, you mean running through a small group and maybe clipping someone, then I’m sure even warriors, engis and maybe even mesmers could do it too. Warriors would basically save all their movement skills+blocks/stances to run through and past, engis got rocket boots+smokebomb for a stealthy get away in any direction, and possibly mesmers if they utilize stealth+teleports/clones/portals correctly. Point is, running around a group of 5 people and poking one every 10 seconds then restealthing is not “taking on” anything, its just being mobile, which is what thieves are supposed to be good at.

A huge amount of crying is based solely on the fact that thieves have reliable access to quick stealth and long lasting stealth if they need it. Thieves don’t have invulnerability buttons like rangers(signet of stone), warriors(Whatever those stances are that stop dmg and the one that stops conditions), guardians(blocks, Renewed focus), engineers(blocks), mesmers(distortion), ele(Mist form, assorted blocks, on demand protection), and probably some other stuff I’m forgetting about. If you are about to be bursted, as a thief, you can’t block it and waste their cds, you can’t just stop the damage and keep attacking like some other classes. You need to either evade or stealth. Doing both is advisable, but people seem to think thief would be fine without any access to stealth given that they have no utilities that reduce damage, but several that grant stealth. Obviously they weren’t meant to stand there and tank hits, they were meant to avoid them all together. So when your main way of mitigating damage is to avoid damage, you need to have higher mobility than the other classes. This creates the secondary effect of generally being able to avoid other classes when it comes to speed and catching each other.