Guild Wars 2

Video isn’t long and self-explanatory.

Our elite Spec better be fire.

No words. , just wtf.

This is another reason for why all the other Classes, especially Mesmer and Elementalist need some significant nerfs to get back down to earth, while the Thief should finally receive the buffs and a very good defensive working E-Specialization with the Staff to become with all the latest powercreep from all the other classes again competeable with having also some mechanics, in which the Thief is absolutely the best at….

But Anet kept on removing everythign what the thief made so special from patch to patch.. the only 2 things that are left is Stealing, which is ridiculously underpowered compared to what the other classes can do and the Initiative System.. which is also underpowered due to strogn Limitations, as Initiative is shared between all our weapons, compared to how fast an Elementalist can spam through their ret peep Macro Rotations (come on, we all now that alot of them do this and Anret doesn’t seem to care, in regard of how unhumanly fast they can spam through these rotations in under a minute)

Would Thieves receive on weapon swap again a complete full initiative bar, then it would be compared to Eles more balanced and it would encourage also players more to swap weapons in the mid of combat to profitate from that regain of initiative…
Either this, or Eles need to share their skill recharge times all also too finalyl between their Elements, means, that if they use for example Staff 5 on Fire and change then to Water, that their Water 5 Skill will then also be at recharge time …. this would be a simply change, that would finally stop this extreme spammy gameplay of Eles and would heavily balance them back to earth finally.

Thiefs need alot of Trait Merges to make space for better and more useful Traits.
They need more defensive mechanics and control. They should be the absolute best class in boon stealing and skill stealing.

Using Steal shouldn let us receive a class based different skill..
When we use steal on an enemy, it should shortly disarm them, so that they can’t use for a short while their weapon skills.

Signet of Malice needs for its active effect a remplete redesign, so that when it gets activated, whe use a shadow stepping steal on the enemy, which will make it for a while impossible for the enemy to use his heal skill, because we have stolen the skill and use it self on us, setting for the enemy the healing skill onto recharge time which would a best done short before we burst a target, what is eassitatlly important agaisnt these currently overpowered cheese build eles with their godmode healings to bring them essentially into dangerous situations, where they can’t heal themself back so easily to full health again, because we disable them their healign skill before, so that they have to rely themself on regeneration and healing fields or healings from allies…

Thieves Guild should get improved in letting them steal the Elite Skills of the enemies that they attack and use them instantly against their targets, disablign this way the Elites for enemies setting them on recharge time.
This way becomes TG not only finally a useful Elite Skill self, which should become also finally useable under water, but it would help us also especially in survivability, if the Thiefv would have its ways to stop people from usign their Elite Skills, like the ret peep I win button Elite of the Mesmer, that transforms you into a Moa or the very powerful Elite of the Elementalist that summons that fiery greatsword that Eles like to use either to flee with that easily out of combat or to spam you full with even more burning after their initial fire macro rotation spam.

All of these are pretty specific gimmicks/tricks that require a specific build and even then are only situational, and even at that point spamming all your skills for a small “burst” effect like that is not really recommended as a mesmer in any situation. Beside maybe double mass invis and so on sometimes. But that’s how the skill is supposed to function.

While I do think mesmer has overran thief in a lot of places and needs some toning down in the correct places, this video gives hardly anything to the real problems.

And we haven’t seen thief speci yet so….

Neat tricks, but that’s all they really are. At max i can see these being used in pve.

Not to mention a lot of cooldowns are used to attain them.

Don’t really get how this is a “Mesmer is taking thief’s place” problem.

“Our elite Spec better be fire.”
No, our core specs better get buffed. If only our elite spec is worth competing with all the other elite specs, people who don’t buy the expansions would be screwed. The expansion was suppose to give “more options” and not “stronger options” which would ruin pvp balance.

Gwalchgwn.1659:

“Our elite Spec better be fire.”
No, our core specs better get buffed. If only our elite spec is worth competing with all the other elite specs, people who don’t buy the expansions would be screwed. The expansion was suppose to give “more options” and not “stronger options” which would ruin pvp balance.

You are right. Elite spec performance is directly correlated to core traits and specs.

Kyori.6091:

All of these are pretty specific gimmicks/tricks that require a specific build and even then are only situational, and even at that point spamming all your skills for a small “burst” effect like that is not really recommended as a mesmer in any situation. Beside maybe double mass invis and so on sometimes. But that’s how the skill is supposed to function.

While I do think mesmer has overran thief in a lot of places and needs some toning down in the correct places, this video gives hardly anything to the real problems.

And we haven’t seen thief speci yet so….

Neat tricks, but that’s all they really are. At max i can see these being used in pve.

Not to mention a lot of cooldowns are used to attain them.

Don’t really get how this is a “Mesmer is taking thief’s place” problem.

Not having seen the Thief’s Elite Specialization isn’t an excuse really.
A non Elite specced Thief should be able to counter any Elite-specced class.

As ANet has said elite-specs are supposed to be choices, not better or worse, just different. But what the Chronomancer currently has, versus what Thief currently has…… well.. yeah, no.

Kyori.6091:

All of these are pretty specific gimmicks/tricks that require a specific build and even then are only situational, and even at that point spamming all your skills for a small “burst” effect like that is not really recommended as a mesmer in any situation. Beside maybe double mass invis and so on sometimes. But that’s how the skill is supposed to function.

While I do think mesmer has overran thief in a lot of places and needs some toning down in the correct places, this video gives hardly anything to the real problems.

And we haven’t seen thief speci yet so….

Neat tricks, but that’s all they really are. At max i can see these being used in pve.

Not to mention a lot of cooldowns are used to attain them.

Don’t really get how this is a “Mesmer is taking thief’s place” problem.

I completely disagree with you there mate.
Let me start with your CD argument being long enough… Unlike the thief, the mesmer is bound to CDs, but it be should be logical to say that if they pop their CDs to meet their goals, then it’s safe to say it was worth it. Let me give you a few example.

. If they pop their CDs to get 16 seconds of quickness and their goal was to kill a thief? then GG.
. If they pop their CDs to get their team of 8 pass a zerg safely with 52 seconds of stealth? then GG.

My point is CDs don’t really matter as long as you meet your goal. Drawbacks aren’t that serious (a little bit more than a 1 minute cooldown) and benefits are huge.

I want to point out that my real issue is that fact that they have the OPTION to do those great things. No trying to nerf them or anything.

If a mesmer get 16 seconds of quickness on me, i will have no choice but to shadow refuge and retreat. As a matter of fact, retreating is by far my best option . So there it is, this is my problem.

You mentioned we still don’t have our Elite Spec revealed yet so we can’t complain.
Again, it doesn’t matter. Not everybody is gonna go for the Elite Specs as a matter of fact some will completely hate it. So that’s is not a compelling argument at all.

Thief is stuck with very little options. and I hope they are actually taking their time to fix us WHILE coming up with the new Elite Spec.
I cannot guarantee the group safety and safe passage trough a zerg cause I have max 25 secs of stealth.

It’s almost obvious that if ordinary trait specs are broken, adding the new elite spec will become a nightmare for all us.

Again, I am pretty much QQing, saying “look at all things they could possibly do” and also
saying “Look at all those things, we can’t do.”

How I feel right now:

already useless without chronomancer

Gwalchgwn.1659:

The expansion was suppose to give “more options” and not “stronger options” which would ruin pvp balance.

Do you actually believe that? I don’t.

Chrono is OP. I played it all weekend as condi build. Dropping double time warp or basically having time warp on 60s CD was really nice. Not to mention reduced CD on all skills and never a shortage of clones for shatter…

<—— Just patiently waiting for Camelot Unchained to come out.

Anet has dropped the ball with thieves, especially when the Dev responsible doesn’t spend time with the profession.

1. our spec will be amazing on paper, total garbage in reality
2. mesmer is too good in many ways, just because they have spec doesn’t mean they should be way better than current thief w/o spec… but it is not like anyone at Anet has any interest in it or pvp for that matter. They themself said they don’t know crap about pvp because they don’t have time to play it. Whole balance is probably based on statistics that just show there are crap load of Ezios in this game.

<- Just rolled an asura thief after playing around with the beta all weekend.

Chronomancer was neat, but it doesnt fit the bill for me personally. Sure, thief might not be the “best” for quite a few things atm, but its the only profession to fill the stabby stabby sneaky fantasy, also… The special dodge that they get, while a minimal thing is awesome.

Sure this is mostly down to my personal taste, and yeah chronomancer CAN get longer stealth than thief, but I just downright prefer the playstyle of the thief to that of the chronomancer any day of the week.

I also play an Asuran thief, and I feel the same way. The problem is, no matter how terribly they nerf us or give our bread and butter to other classes, I can’t give up on my thief.

Zodryn.4216:

I also play an Asuran thief, and I feel the same way. The problem is, no matter how terribly they nerf us or give our bread and butter to other classes, I can’t give up on my thief.

Same Zodryn, I couldn’t play another class and enjoy it as much as the thief. We are already nerfed to our knees, but I would probably stick to the thief even elite spec sucks balls.