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P/D build !? Video (not just roaming)
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Shadow Arts :
IV Shadows Embrace
Removes 2 conditions for the first 3 secs of stealth.
VI Cloaked in Shadow
Blind all nearby enemies when applying stealth.
XI Shadow’s Rejuvination
Heals while in stealth.
Acrobatics:
I Descent of shadows
-50% Fall dmg + Stealth on fall damage.
VI Fleeting shadow
50% move speed while stealthed.
XI Hard to catch
Shadowstep away 1200 range when any CC is applied to you. +12 sec swift.
TRICKERY:
III Instictual response
blind powder when u take 10% or more of your hp in dmg causing invis/aoe blind
UTILITIES: Hide in shadows
ShadowStep
Blinding powder
Shadow Refuge
Dagger Storm
FULL CARRION ARMOR/ACCS with matching jewels and 2 krait centaur 2 afflicted runes
WEAPONS p/d + SB use +10% bleed and major sigil of corruption on other. bow is your choice.
This is…..mark my words….the best overall build for thieves and especially viable now that revealed is back to 3 secs. ShadowArts/Acrobatics shouldnt be touched….but you can move the other 10 however u want. put it in last traitline for blind/invis on 10% of your hp in one hit…..or for mug which heals in first trait line. i did 5/5 split so i can apply poison on steal for those pesky healing 1 v 1 fights and the other 5 for 3 initiative when i miss CnD sometimes….the extra 3 can be a lifesaver. Your Defense lies with stealth….blinding neawrby foes and invis should keep the melee at bay……..daggerstorm/stealing whirl shoudl keep range at bay…..and removal of conditions in stealth should keep condi dealers at bay. make sure to dodge once after you go invis to screw with their idea of where you are at….never make patterns and keep switching it up…i love running right thru enemy lines as they never expect it. the zergs usually kill most builds/classes but with hard to catch ….you SS away then use blind powder or whatever u need or use SS away then invis then shadow return and run thru enemies…they never see it coming. ive personally trolled 20 people for 5-10 mins….and not while invis i was letting them try. descent into shadows is the most undrated thief skill ever …especially in this build…..use it on large jumps to troll zergs into jumping after you (you have 22k ish hp with this build) when they see you at 50% hp on a jump…they need 23k+ to survive the same jump that puts you at 50%. also use it on small jumps….everytime u land (4-5sec reset) you get stealth…area blind….remove 2 conditions and a free setup for sneak attack…..in wvw / spvp there are so many small areas where you take lik 800 dmg for jumping down…now u take 400 and get several benefits from it. the biggest key to this build is patience….make sure you get the most of of every invis…time every attack….and place yourself but dont make it a pattern. this build can also run venom share just by switching utilities….so it doubles as 1 v x or works in zerg v zerg. the only nemesis to this build is d/p thief build as they drop condis….but IMO that build sux (although very fun/good at duels) it wont hodl up in big fights bc of fear…stuns….pulls/pushes and aoe dmg…..but in that same respect the d/p build u prolly wont beat…..wont beat you either. guardians are slow killing….but they WILL go down after the 25 sec mark in a fight they run out of gas usually. lil tip as when u run out of utilities….. dont forget to use the mosquitos etc the small creatures to go invis on or steal to to get away etc. if all u have is 6 intiaitve and steal left use CND…then quicklly press steal to finish the CND at your target…..its quick and rarely misses plus invis/blind/remove condis etc. also on stomps u have 2 choices when u 100% need to get that stomp off….use daggerstorm then roll out of it (lets u keep 8 secs stability) then stomp…OR trickier yet…make sure u always try CND then stomp as the blind usually blocks there KD or pushback. one trickier yet….is press F to stomp…then shadowstep away then shadow return right before it finishes and you wont be able to be stopped……if its a thief….just F then steal to wherever they teleport to. enjoy the build if u have any questions contact me in game.
this is what i wrote for my guild since i dont have video recorder yet. hope it helps :P
Protip: Your bullets are projectiles, do not shoot at daggerstorming thief:) . And make a set of keybinds. Not hating, just want to help improve.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HiYUlhsO_M
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I didn’t really see any 1vX? Unless the x was your team v 1? I watched the full 2nd video. Did I somehow overlook it?
video didnt come out right…its supposed to be about 10 mins of that fight :/ srry im still a nub at video…this is all from a 1 hour gameplay today….. only chose 20 mins of it and a li9l got cut off on 2nd vid…
Protip: Your bullets are projectiles, do not shoot at daggerstorming thief:) . And make a set of keybinds. Not hating, just want to help improve.
yes ty i know i have 1 hand …just got back from surgery on left wrist 2 days ago :/
i have everything on hotkeys. Q is steal WASD motion ….E is CnD …1-5 i keep as is CAPS is shadowstep….. ~ is shadow refuge. as you see its used really fast but i have my good hand on mouse and my crippled post surgery hand on keyboard basically hunting/pecking with 2 fingers lol…sad sight.
That being said…. If you post another, better video, I’m sure you’ll get better responses.
yeah…its really hard to edit man ill tell ya…..i had some reallllly good action but i wanna delete small parts in the middles here n there of running….building siege…..stuff like that. the biggest thing i see here on thief forums and in game/whiners is that thieves are too strong….but in reality they are good duelers at best…..im trying to show people there is another way to play thief…spread some dmg or some venoms and it can really help in group play alot more than trying to kill 1 person and spend everythign doing it. cripple and bleed puts alot of pressure on enemies….especially when necros spread conditions. high mobility high hp…high evades/endurance….good intiative control…and anti burst/anti cc …..really allows you to focus on doing your job rather than backpedaling on the defensive. how many other classes/builds can get inside the middle of zergs like that and spread dmg….blinds…cripples…bleeds and still have enough to keep doing it without running or dying. its a zerg build. i have the same one with a few small changes that bunkers spvp really well….close to wild bills to be honest but more beefy. his relies on poisons and killing 1 person fast….mine is more of a pressure build…..i realize that people have anti condition skills and etc…..but once everythign is on recharge is when they get into trouble against a build like this.
I’m glad that you actually made the video to try and back up your previous post…….but come on. You posting in other threads talking about weak player play. You just showcased some of the worst opposition that I’ve personally seen. The first guy just ran while you shot him in the back. And the rest Im assuming was suppose to show 1vX. All I saw was some group play.
I wanted to see the “1v20” trolling you were telling me about. If you think this is the best thief then more power to you, but i believe its pretty average. This isn’t hating, just stating my opinion.
as i said 2nd video was messed up obviously and the 1st was to show survivability in zerg play. im going to do a 1 v 1 and spvp video next although like i said i have 1 f-ing hand and my first time making a video. this is from 1 hour of gameplay…. i tried the 1v20 as you saw in the 2nd video but they dont always bite….most ran past…you requested me making a video last nite….. so in 12 hours i made one…after learning how to record….little about how to edit…being my first try….and only having a little over 1 hour of play footage to choose from… how about i get footage from a weeks worth and edit the crap out of it when i get good and pretend like im owning 1 v5s when in reality its only 2% of actually wvw time. i said its the best overall build in my opinion as it doubles as venom share AND survives….d/p being number 2….but d/p dies …..which im sure you see in the video where the d/p thief i was with died to a few players in the camp….that was my point…just funny it showed on video…… im not taking it personally but remember this i only 1 hour of footage…. id like to see somebody go wvw in a guild for an hour and make some amazing video :P i chose the fights that had some action usually running to my guild and one actually with my guild. do alot of people run? sure ….90% of builds dont have enough condi removal to deal with conditions plus its 1k dmg direct per attack and 300 every hit there after….losing targets….not being able to CC or add conditions….its a lost cause fighting this build 1 v 1 so yeah alot of peopl run…..ive gotten tons of mail and requests about tips fighting and build help. and again….i pointed out it depends on your POV…which is more important taking on 1 person or maybe 2? or lots and helping your team? if you like duels….d/p is better slightly…..very……and p/d build i run is more for zerging……d/p would die in every one of tho situations that were in first video……and the guy that i was with is very pro. challenge him hif you like.
and worst opposition? its tier 2……tarnished coast and fort aspenwood ……………..no upscales ….as i said in past posts i dont pick on upscales….might be a few but i dont target them first.
making a new vid .
I can’t believe that you’re still going around insisting that you’re some amazing player and that your build is unique and the best overall build for Thieves to use.
Like I said in the other thread, aside from trait allocation, your build is nothing special, and neither is your gameplay. It’s a standard P/D bleed build with a CnD > Sneak Attack > VS > VS > CnD > REPEAT rotation with caltrops and/or venoms.
Nothing about that is original, and it’s most definitely not the best overall build for Thieves by any objective standard. If, in your opinion, it’s the best overall Thief build then that’s fine, but quit claiming that you’ve come across some indestructible build. Your build is mildly difficult to take down in WvW, but only for those who don’t carry condition removal and/or don’t know how to dodge your CnD.
Also, despite your claims, this build is absolutely useless in a tPvP setting because you will never be able to neutralise a point or defend one against any half-decent player.
Finally, your comment about playing in T2 is pretty fun, I play in T1 on BG and SoR/JQ are both full of bads and upscaled players that are easy as kitten to 1vX against. That isn’t to say that BG doesn’t have them, because we do, but that every server has them no matter what tier you’re in.
What a joke.
all is vain
I can’t believe that you’re still going around insisting that you’re some amazing player and that your build is unique and the best overall build for Thieves to use.
Like I said in the other thread, aside from trait allocation, your build is nothing special, and neither is your gameplay. It’s a standard P/D bleed build with a CnD > Sneak Attack > VS > VS > CnD > REPEAT rotation with caltrops and/or venoms.
Nothing about that is original, and it’s most definitely not the best overall build for Thieves by any objective standard. If, in your opinion, it’s the best overall Thief build then that’s fine, but quit claiming that you’ve come across some indestructible build. Your build is mildly difficult to take down in WvW, but only for those who don’t carry condition removal and/or don’t know how to dodge your CnD.
Also, despite your claims, this build is absolutely useless in a tPvP setting because you will never be able to neutralise a point or defend one against any half-decent player.
Finally, your comment about playing in T2 is pretty fun, I play in T1 on BG and SoR/JQ are both full of bads and upscaled players that are easy as kitten to 1vX against. That isn’t to say that BG doesn’t have them, because we do, but that every server has them no matter what tier you’re in.
What a joke.
+1 QFT
I can’t believe that you’re still going around insisting that you’re some amazing player and that your build is unique and the best overall build for Thieves to use.
Like I said in the other thread, aside from trait allocation, your build is nothing special, and neither is your gameplay. It’s a standard P/D bleed build with a CnD > Sneak Attack > VS > VS > CnD > REPEAT rotation with caltrops and/or venoms.
Nothing about that is original, and it’s most definitely not the best overall build for Thieves by any objective standard. If, in your opinion, it’s the best overall Thief build then that’s fine, but quit claiming that you’ve come across some indestructible build. Your build is mildly difficult to take down in WvW, but only for those who don’t carry condition removal and/or don’t know how to dodge your CnD.
Also, despite your claims, this build is absolutely useless in a tPvP setting because you will never be able to neutralise a point or defend one against any half-decent player.
Finally, your comment about playing in T2 is pretty fun, I play in T1 on BG and SoR/JQ are both full of bads and upscaled players that are easy as kitten to 1vX against. That isn’t to say that BG doesn’t have them, because we do, but that every server has them no matter what tier you’re in.
What a joke.
A) where is your video? oh? you dont have one? then dont talk.
B) You totally missed the point .
C) it was in responce to shadows’ request to see it work as it would not in zerg.
D) it is in exact opposite setup (video) than 99.99999% of thief videos.
Let me break it down since you cant fathom what im trying to imply with the video/build. (note: this is one of 3 builds i use in WVW, its my zerg build…not my favorite…or my most played) my favorite is 0 30 20 20 0 s/d d/p . so ive never bragged. i have only said “IMO” (in my opinion——since you obviously havent been reading/familiar with game jargon(jargon meaning a specific group of terminology within a sub-genre of language)). 99.999% of all thief videos are all 1 v 1 or 1 v 2 or 1 v3 or 2v2 etc etc and so on and so forth. These do NOT show viable builds that run and be “productive”. Can they duel well? sure. Can they troll? def. Can they go in with 8 v 8 tpvp and 100 v 100 wvw and be as productive/survive like other classes? NO . This is why all the thief videos are of roaming and showing 1 v x’s and 2 v x’s ..etc. see my title? im sure u ignored that and came here to troll….it says “not just roaming”. Is my build amazing….whos to say? def not you. i have many dozens of mail asking for tips….requests…. and help/conversations about several of my builds and battle decisions. My video shows how thief can play withing a zerg setting…even lead one and stay alive/produce results. I havent even done a venom share one even tho it can run same traitlline/gear setup. so until i see another video of d/p or s/d or d/d going into a REAL battle not these rare 1 v 1s and 1 v 2s that take forever to finish…… its really not a viable build…..especially since 1 v 1 has no place in guild wars 2! Hell…even the title says guild…not “hero” wars 2 or solo fight 2 :P ….FAIL . keep trolling you do it soooo well. Learn to infer a little better and perhaps read as you totally came up with utter nonsense. everyone is titled to an opinion…dont come trashing people on theirs…especially when they can prove/video on request when they have never done so before. go show me a d/p or whatever “unoriginal build” that you copied of the build forums/youtube and make your own video of you going into a real fight and getting in there to mix it up. lets see more than those crappy 5-10 sec segments. i got mine from 1 hour of gaming whichi s unreal in sense of action. usually from 1 hour ish you are building siege or capping camps or running with no confrontation. until you do and back up whatever your saying, even tho its not much, be quiet nobody wants to here that.
I can’t believe that you’re still going around insisting that you’re some amazing player and that your build is unique and the best overall build for Thieves to use.
Like I said in the other thread, aside from trait allocation, your build is nothing special, and neither is your gameplay. It’s a standard P/D bleed build with a CnD > Sneak Attack > VS > VS > CnD > REPEAT rotation with caltrops and/or venoms.
Nothing about that is original, and it’s most definitely not the best overall build for Thieves by any objective standard. If, in your opinion, it’s the best overall Thief build then that’s fine, but quit claiming that you’ve come across some indestructible build. Your build is mildly difficult to take down in WvW, but only for those who don’t carry condition removal and/or don’t know how to dodge your CnD.
Also, despite your claims, this build is absolutely useless in a tPvP setting because you will never be able to neutralise a point or defend one against any half-decent player.
Finally, your comment about playing in T2 is pretty fun, I play in T1 on BG and SoR/JQ are both full of bads and upscaled players that are easy as kitten to 1vX against. That isn’t to say that BG doesn’t have them, because we do, but that every server has them no matter what tier you’re in.
What a joke.
+1 QFT
@shadow you may not like it. just as i dont prefer d/p for going on guild raids. to each there own but atleast i made a video which you requested. most would not have. and i showed upclose fighting in the middle of alot of enemies. not sitting back picking off weak sheep from the herd….or trickshotting/clusterbombing from the side. ive watch prolly 6 to 7 dozen th ief videos of all sorts of builds. all of them are roaming/troll/camp capping. what was asked….was done. thieves CAN stand up against large numbers (although limited to condi/hp builds) , but they def can do it. which stemmed from a complaint we wer all discussing on the “steal” thread i believe that thieves are so fragile …which they are….hence me suggesting one of my builds.
Stop fooling yourself. P/D does not work in the zerg. In the zerg you need that damage and/or aoe. P/D have none of that. Its great in small fights against non tanky players with little condi removal. IF built right its is very very durable build via stealth,blinds, condi removal, dodges, close to perma vigor and freedom to open up from range and any direction you chose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HiYUlhsO_M
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I’m not sure whether you’re just trying to troll at this point.
5v5 are not “zergs”. Your second video was supposed to have “1vX”, according to yourself, however, it clearly doesn’t, neither does it contain a demonstration of your build being effective in a situation that involves a lot of players (repeating myself, 5 enemies are not a lot in WvW).
P/D is definetly not an effective build for zerg play. Stop claiming otherwise, it’s simply not true. I mean, what are you going to do? stand in your zerg and VS the enemies? At best you’re gonna stealth in, drop caltrops, get a few ticks of daggerstorm of and then retreat back. That’s less damage than a single guradian does by spamming retal on your zerg (well, unless people are dumb enough to stand inside your caltrops all day, however, zergs generally have tons of (AoE-) condition remove, so that’s propably not going to do a whole lot either), and guardians provide tons of additional utility on top of that.
Also, you’d have to be a fool to believe that the only way to contribute in WvW is zerging. Flipping supply camps as well as killing or guarding dolyaks are incredibly valuable things to do, and they generally involve small scale PvP, which the thief really excels at.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to say that P/D is a bad set in general, because it isn’t. However, it’s not the only option for small group fights and it’s far from being the best option for group play.
the 2nd video got messed up as i said above posts….sorry im super new to this video and editing thing. look at the first video. you put p/d build in any of those instances…..and you are dead…..heck p/d died in the first camp part right next to me. perfect example. it does have the hp/tankiness to deal with any mistakes in larger group fighting. ill make the 1 v x video when i have more footage as i was picked on for the first bc i only had 1 hour to choose from. and again…until anyone shows me a video of p/d getting into the action and stop standing on the outskirts like a wimpy like build….. its not a better build. 1 v 1 has no place in this game, atleast not yet. hence me offering advice / opinion to other players on diff threads who were talking about it. its funny ,,again, that no videos can show gettting into the mix and throwing caltrops …daggerstorms…. but i did it :P …survived fine….killed plenty. anyway 5 enemies are NOT alot. and in the first video there isnt one fight with less than like 10 people…the 2nd outside the camp had like 7 granted but thats onlyh one small continued fight from the camp where there were like 9-10 invaders plus the full camp attacking. p/d is 10x better than p/d in zerg play. theres not 1 video showing p/d or s/d or d/d or s/p getting intot he battle like that. period. defend your points/opinions with examples…videos…facts….numbers or something. id love a good debate…. and as ive said theres 2 people here hating….but many dozens asking me for advice and giving compliments saying ty for the amazing build and that it works gr8. i can do a few vids on d/p s/d too but ill wait till i have a bunch of footage so i can pick and choose 10 sec spots to make it look really more cool /powerful than it is. :P
I can’t believe that you’re still going around insisting that you’re some amazing player and that your build is unique and the best overall build for Thieves to use.
Like I said in the other thread, aside from trait allocation, your build is nothing special, and neither is your gameplay. It’s a standard P/D bleed build with a CnD > Sneak Attack > VS > VS > CnD > REPEAT rotation with caltrops and/or venoms.
Nothing about that is original, and it’s most definitely not the best overall build for Thieves by any objective standard. If, in your opinion, it’s the best overall Thief build then that’s fine, but quit claiming that you’ve come across some indestructible build. Your build is mildly difficult to take down in WvW, but only for those who don’t carry condition removal and/or don’t know how to dodge your CnD.
Also, despite your claims, this build is absolutely useless in a tPvP setting because you will never be able to neutralise a point or defend one against any half-decent player.
Finally, your comment about playing in T2 is pretty fun, I play in T1 on BG and SoR/JQ are both full of bads and upscaled players that are easy as kitten to 1vX against. That isn’t to say that BG doesn’t have them, because we do, but that every server has them no matter what tier you’re in.
What a joke.
+1 QFT
@shadow you may not like it. just as i dont prefer d/p for going on guild raids. to each there own but atleast i made a video which you requested. most would not have. and i showed upclose fighting in the middle of alot of enemies. not sitting back picking off weak sheep from the herd….or trickshotting/clusterbombing from the side. ive watch prolly 6 to 7 dozen th ief videos of all sorts of builds. all of them are roaming/troll/camp capping. what was asked….was done. thieves CAN stand up against large numbers (although limited to condi/hp builds) , but they def can do it. which stemmed from a complaint we wer all discussing on the “steal” thread i believe that thieves are so fragile …which they are….hence me suggesting one of my builds.
First and foremost I asked you to show a video of all the crap you were claiming in various other threads.
-claiming to troll 1v20
-showcasing your opposition’s game play (Being Good)
-showcasing what you actually bring to the group
-“This is…..mark my words….the best overall build for thieves”
My challenge to you wasn’t about “just” making a video. While I’m glad you atleast tried, you failed to prove me wrong about any of your claims. You seem to be going on a different tangent showing in the video what you wanted as apposed to what was asked.
I’m assuming that I am one of the “haters” your talking about in the above post. Please stop deluding yourself. Also, t2 player are no better or worse than the various other tiers. It mainly comes down to bigger groups, thats it.
the 2nd video got messed up as i said above posts….sorry im super new to this video and editing thing. look at the first video. you put p/d build in any of those instances…..and you are dead…..heck p/d died in the first camp part right next to me. perfect example. it does have the hp/tankiness to deal with any mistakes in larger group fighting. ill make the 1 v x video when i have more footage as i was picked on for the first bc i only had 1 hour to choose from. and again…until anyone shows me a video of p/d getting into the action and stop standing on the outskirts like a wimpy like build….. its not a better build. 1 v 1 has no place in this game, atleast not yet. hence me offering advice / opinion to other players on diff threads who were talking about it. its funny ,,again, that no videos can show gettting into the mix and throwing caltrops …daggerstorms…. but i did it :P …survived fine….killed plenty. anyway 5 enemies are NOT alot. and in the first video there isnt one fight with less than like 10 people…the 2nd outside the camp had like 7 granted but thats onlyh one small continued fight from the camp where there were like 9-10 invaders plus the full camp attacking. p/d is 10x better than p/d in zerg play. theres not 1 video showing p/d or s/d or d/d or s/p getting intot he battle like that. period. defend your points/opinions with examples…videos…facts….numbers or something. id love a good debate…. and as ive said theres 2 people here hating….but many dozens asking me for advice and giving compliments saying ty for the amazing build and that it works gr8. i can do a few vids on d/p s/d too but ill wait till i have a bunch of footage so i can pick and choose 10 sec spots to make it look really more cool /powerful than it is. :P
What exactly are you trying to say? I assume you mixed up P/D and some other set in this post, because the way it is right now, I’m unable to comprehend it…
I’d also appreciate if you would take a little more time to work some proper punctuation as well as some structure into your posts, I personally find them very hard to read.
I can’t believe that you’re still going around insisting that you’re some amazing player and that your build is unique and the best overall build for Thieves to use.
Like I said in the other thread, aside from trait allocation, your build is nothing special, and neither is your gameplay. It’s a standard P/D bleed build with a CnD > Sneak Attack > VS > VS > CnD > REPEAT rotation with caltrops and/or venoms.
Nothing about that is original, and it’s most definitely not the best overall build for Thieves by any objective standard. If, in your opinion, it’s the best overall Thief build then that’s fine, but quit claiming that you’ve come across some indestructible build. Your build is mildly difficult to take down in WvW, but only for those who don’t carry condition removal and/or don’t know how to dodge your CnD.
Also, despite your claims, this build is absolutely useless in a tPvP setting because you will never be able to neutralise a point or defend one against any half-decent player.
Finally, your comment about playing in T2 is pretty fun, I play in T1 on BG and SoR/JQ are both full of bads and upscaled players that are easy as kitten to 1vX against. That isn’t to say that BG doesn’t have them, because we do, but that every server has them no matter what tier you’re in.
What a joke.
+1 QFT
@shadow you may not like it. just as i dont prefer d/p for going on guild raids. to each there own but atleast i made a video which you requested. most would not have. and i showed upclose fighting in the middle of alot of enemies. not sitting back picking off weak sheep from the herd….or trickshotting/clusterbombing from the side. ive watch prolly 6 to 7 dozen th ief videos of all sorts of builds. all of them are roaming/troll/camp capping. what was asked….was done. thieves CAN stand up against large numbers (although limited to condi/hp builds) , but they def can do it. which stemmed from a complaint we wer all discussing on the “steal” thread i believe that thieves are so fragile …which they are….hence me suggesting one of my builds.
First and foremost I asked you to show a video of all the crap you were claiming in various other threads.
-claiming to troll 1v20
-showcasing your opposition’s game play (Being Good)
-showcasing what you actually bring to the group
-“This is…..mark my words….the best overall build for thieves”My challenge to you wasn’t about “just” making a video. While I’m glad you atleast tried, you failed to prove me wrong about any of your claims. You seem to be going on a different tangent showing in the video what you wanted as apposed to what was asked.
I’m assuming that I am one of the “haters” your talking about in the above post. Please stop deluding yourself. Also, t2 player are no better or worse than the various other tiers. It mainly comes down to bigger groups, thats it.
give me a lil more time and ill make a fantastic one. that may have not been the best video but showed alot more survivability and involved action. like i said it was only and hour of play i rushed to get to show atleast something. most videos take minimum a week to make. the 1 v 20 trolling didnt bite as you saw in the video (maybe the were running to defend someplace) but ill have another. and yes…in my opinion it is the best “overall” build for thieves. if you can show many any other build/video that can get in the middle of group play….then help and also survive well then ill say …“hey” theres a 2nd build thats also one of or the best overall builds. but there are no videos….bc all the builds are 1 v 1 and 1 v 2s. period. venom and condi build is IMO the only way to really contribute and stay alive in group play. In a normal 1 v 1 …..(non thieves) a player wins much quicker than a match with a thief in it….due to the fact thieves go invis and roll around bc they cant mitigate/reduce/block dmg. d/p is too slow. thats why i like caltrops and caltrops on roll and area blind and daggerstorm and cluster bleeds……alot more dmg overall than d/p which cant really be argued :P. that said…d/p has less survivability due to the fact it has to jump around a black powder shot 3x to get anything more than 2 secs of invis which makes it liable to be hit/affected by AOE stuns fears dmg pushes pulls. plz lemme know if u make or find a video of a good player doing all these with any other build id love to see it.
ps…..all the enemies in my first video were mixed and non upscales so idk why its “bad players”. interesting.
the 2nd video got messed up as i said above posts….sorry im super new to this video and editing thing. look at the first video. you put p/d build in any of those instances…..and you are dead…..heck p/d died in the first camp part right next to me. perfect example. it does have the hp/tankiness to deal with any mistakes in larger group fighting. ill make the 1 v x video when i have more footage as i was picked on for the first bc i only had 1 hour to choose from. and again…until anyone shows me a video of p/d getting into the action and stop standing on the outskirts like a wimpy like build….. its not a better build. 1 v 1 has no place in this game, atleast not yet. hence me offering advice / opinion to other players on diff threads who were talking about it. its funny ,,again, that no videos can show gettting into the mix and throwing caltrops …daggerstorms…. but i did it :P …survived fine….killed plenty. anyway 5 enemies are NOT alot. and in the first video there isnt one fight with less than like 10 people…the 2nd outside the camp had like 7 granted but thats onlyh one small continued fight from the camp where there were like 9-10 invaders plus the full camp attacking. p/d is 10x better than p/d in zerg play. theres not 1 video showing p/d or s/d or d/d or s/p getting intot he battle like that. period. defend your points/opinions with examples…videos…facts….numbers or something. id love a good debate…. and as ive said theres 2 people here hating….but many dozens asking me for advice and giving compliments saying ty for the amazing build and that it works gr8. i can do a few vids on d/p s/d too but ill wait till i have a bunch of footage so i can pick and choose 10 sec spots to make it look really more cool /powerful than it is. :P
What exactly are you trying to say? I assume you mixed up P/D and some other set in this post, because the way it is right now, I’m unable to comprehend it…
I’d also appreciate if you would take a little more time to work some proper punctuation as well as some structure into your posts, I personally find them very hard to read.
sorry it took me forever to type with one hand. i may have mixed up p/d or d/p sometimes :P.
Okay, I’ve tried to replace the P/D’s that didn’t make sense to me with D/P:
the 2nd video got messed up as i said above posts….sorry im super new to this video and editing thing. look at the first video. you put D/P build in any of those instances…..and you are dead…..heck p/d died in the first camp part right next to me.
I disagree with you here. If built properly, D/P can be one of the most survivable sets the thief has access to. This is not because of insane tanking capabilities (even though, with the right gear and traits, you become quite beefy), but because you can disengage pretty much at will. High mobility via shadow shot and stealth on demand by using the BP/HS-combo allow D/P to reset fights almost infinitely often while regaining a lot of health via regen in stealth.
perfect example. it does have the hp/tankiness to deal with any mistakes in larger group fighting. ill make the 1 v x video when i have more footage as i was picked on for the first bc i only had 1 hour to choose from. and again…until anyone shows me a video of D/P getting into the action and stop standing on the outskirts like a wimpy like build….. its not a better build.
There you go. May not be a perfect example, but it definetly shows that D/ kitten urvivable even is the odds are not in ones favor.
1 v 1 has no place in this game, atleast not yet. hence me offering advice / opinion to other players on diff threads who were talking about it. its funny ,,again, that no videos can show gettting into the mix and throwing caltrops …daggerstorms…. but i did it :P …survived fine….killed plenty. anyway 5 enemies are NOT alot. and in the first video there isnt one fight with less than like 10 people…the 2nd outside the camp had like 7 granted but thats onlyh one small continued fight from the camp where there were like 9-10 invaders plus the full camp attacking. p/d is 10x better than D/P in zerg play.
That is down to the way you set the D/P (and P/D, of course) up and how you play them. In my opinion, D/P is excellent to surf a zerg’s tail end during a fight, picking on the squishy enemies hiding behind their tankier allies. Since it has excellent possibilities to disengage, it is fairly easy to put a lot of pressure on people in the back and retreat if necessary. After healing up, you can just reengage. I never tried to do this with P/D, however, I feel like it would be less efficient as P/D has a much higher time to kill due to being condition-based and having a limited amount of conditions available to cover its bleeds with, so it’s very vulnerable to (AoE-)condition remove. So, it depends on your playstyle. D/P may not have as much survivability up front, but it can compensate for that by other means.
theres not 1 video showing p/d or s/d or d/d or s/p getting intot he battle like that. period. defend your points/opinions with examples…videos…facts….numbers or something. id love a good debate…. and as ive said theres 2 people here hating….but many dozens asking me for advice and giving compliments saying ty for the amazing build and that it works gr8. i can do a few vids on d/p s/d too but ill wait till i have a bunch of footage so i can pick and choose 10 sec spots to make it look really more cool /powerful than it is. :P
Now, don’t get me wrong, P/D is not a weak set. However, I believe you underrate D/P a lot. It may not suit your playstyle very well, but for myself, I found it to be extremely survivable and very powerful if you play your cards right.
At the end of the day. it all comes down to personal preference though.
i love d/p. i run it with my s/d set evenly . its crazy fun. but i dont use it on raids. it just wont survive. i mean i COULD survive with it…. but id have to pick off the weak sheep or go hide if 2 people decided to gang up on me. its just fragile where incidently aoes can ruin your day way too easily. p/d isnt like the godsend of builds for thieves…i just believe in team play it has a more suitable affect i guess u could say. i dont wanna play d/p too much as i see black powder shot getting nerfed and i think it should be …unfortunately it takes melee right out of the game… :P