Guild Wars 2

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAqaVl8Mp7pVPxzJ0PNRORt9DEALIXZg3XxUsFA-ThCBwAGV+JRJIO1fAcCFot/AlHUQe9NPOEAJM/t5IAQKgnGWB-e

TRAIT BREAKDOWN

• Pistol Mastery: No need for explaining

• Combo Critical Chance: You can swap this out if you want but my main DPS skill is unload so why not.

• Invigorating Precision: You can swap for Executioner but as my build is about on-hit healing it’s my choice. Plus patch on 27th Jan boosts this skill to 15%.

• Master of Deception: Reduce CD on “Shadow Refuge” and “Smoke Screen”.

• Thrill of the Crime: 10s buffs come in handy (I chose this instead of Uncatchable as the caltrops range and duration is so small, it’s almost negligible)

• Ricochet: People say the “Bounces” in a 1v1 is useless but the extra 150 range tops your skills all to 1050 range instead of 900 meaning you can keep more distance (The whole point of P/P thief)

• Sleight of Hand: The 20% CD puts Steal onto a 21.5s CD with a 1s daze which is more useful than you know. With “Thrill of the Crime” stacked on-top it gives a great boost in a fight (also gives you time to move back after the steal)

SLOT SKILL

• Signet of Malice (Healing): Rarely used for the active. I like it as unload stacks very well with it. However “Hide in Shadows” and “Withdraw” are just as useful so switch between the 3 based on play style.

• Shadow Refuge (Utility): As P/P skills are all Projectiles, skills casted in a Dark field gain “Lifesteal” ontop making your on-hit healing even more dangerous. Not to forget the stealth P/P skill “Sneak attack” acts as a free mini-unload.

• Smoke Screen (Utility): Once again combo fields add effects based on finisher type. P/P physical projectiles means that all shots add a 3s “Blind” effect to them (Blind doesnt stack in effect but stacks duration). Stacked with unload you can keep throwing down blinds on someone who’s also throwing lots of quick attacks. Also Smoke Screen blocks projectiles meaning you can shoot someone safely behind it. Scared about being melee’d? It has a built in pulsing blind too!

• Signet of Shadow(Utility): Very useless active (A one pop blind but can still save your life) i use it for the passive increase to movespeed. It helps me keep my distance. For those who hate this skill you can swap it out for “Blinding Powder”. It has the same active blind effect with a 3s Stealth on-top allowing you to reposition. As it is a deception skill it gets the nice 20% CD from traits!

• Dagger Storm (Elite): As crap as it looks it deals damage, bleed, cripple and is the thieves only Stability skill meaning you can cast the skill without being interrupted. The damage shown is also pet tick of the skill meaning you can do way more damage than the stated amount. Also not to forget, this skill also reflects projectiles. This means any ranged player is out of the fight for 8 seconds and with how reflected projectiles can only be reflected twice, anyone trying to re-reflect their damage will end up consuming the damage in the end. Ofcourse you’re still under the attack of melee damage. But wait! Notice how the skill is a “Whirl” combo finisher? That’s right, it can stack with Combo Fields! The Smoke field from “Smoke Screen” means dagger storm also blinds targets! Stacked with the built in blind of smoke screen nothing will touch you! Think the skill doesnt heal you enough? Throw down “Shadow Refuge” before you cast dagger storm and the Combo Dark field – Whirl throws in a “Leeching bolts” for you just to heal you even more as well as increase damage output.

DRAWBACKS

Build is weak to boon removal against “Dagger Storm” stability and some AoE skills still hit here and there but that’s what dodge is for. All in all your kit can block projectiles, keep enemies blinded, heal a truck load on-hit whilst still doing a fair amount of damage. Also be careful with initiative consumption.

REVIEW

NOT a burst thief build. Not as powerful as the D/D backstab thief but i find i have great survivability in PvP, WvW and PvE with this build.
You can read up more on Combo Fields here: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Combo

KEY TIPS

This build puts steal on 21.5s CD and grants 2 initiative on-cast (only a little slower than Quick Recovery Trait plus Infiltrator Signet put together) as well as a 10s buff which can spread between 5 allies. Also has a 1s daze.

Placing “Smoke Screen” (7s) followed by “Shadow Refuge” (4s) followed by “Dagger Storm” (8s) allows for an initial huge sustain-damage-cripple-blind effect. Remember Dagger Storm is interrupted if you dodge-roll but not if you Steal so use it to close gaps.

Dont use Unload (5 initiative) until you have 6 initiative as the 5th trait in “Critical Strikes” means you deal 10% extra damage.

If anyone starts getting too close use 2 skill “Body Shot” to Hold them for 1s.

Try this build out and let me know what you think and leave any tips below This is in no way an expert guide and all analysis was done by my own research so apologies if any facts are incorrect.
(Used to play signet P/P thief + dodge roll a lot but found that reflecting projectiles ended my build as i lacked defense)

Looks cool! I’ve used P/P a good amount, but never this type of spec. Trying now.

When you’re out of initiative, you’re dead. 10k HP? No condi cleanse of any kind? 5 seconds with 2 condi’s active will kill you outright. One stealth ability and 2 points in stealth line? If you use it to good effect, I’d love to hear how you did it.

I tried it out, and the healing just wasn’t enough to make up for the lack of everything else, but maybe the buff to IP will make it a bit better.

In my experience, P/P works better when you run withdraw, stealth etc. I like 60206, but that’s just me. Your build may need a bit more tuning.

@BlackFrog the 2 in stealth trait was for 20% deception reduction. As i mentioned in the post you can swap out signet of shadows.

What conditions do you think will land when i have a (8s reflect + 7s blind) in utilities? As i mentioned i can place up smoke screen and just stand behind it and blast. Alternatively i can use Dagger Storm + Steal combo to hop on someone.
With the on-hit heal i heal (8% crit dmg + 137 per hit + 453 per 5s)

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAqaVl8MpypFOxzJsPNBQBtdAKQ/98HFpzc0CA-ThCBwAGV+JRJIO1fAcCFot/AlHUQe9NPOEAJM/t5IAQKgnGWB-e

On a side note this is my setup for the P/P dodge thief

@kaikalii I guess it’s all on play style, i like to mix in the blind+reflect+on-hit heal so that during the small time frames i take damage, i can re-compensate

Just an update for PvP I switched “Signet of Shadows” for “Blinding Powder” and im coming out with a 2:1 kill to death ratio so im guessing it works for my play style :P

Put it to the test. I’m not familiar with PvP, but in WvW you are sure to die. It is not uncommon to be hit with 4 or 5 condis in short order. To even make use of IP and SoM, you must have a target, you must fire, and you must hit. All your healing is tied up in an active offensive action. You cannot simultaneously hide and attack with P/P once you start firing. Your deception skills are 48 sec and 24 sec with the bonus from stealth line, neither of which does you much good once your first stealth use runs out. Even if you manage to duck and hide from an initial onslaught, if you are targeted by another thief or mesmer, you’re dead for sure if you’re dazed or interrupted even once.

Like I said, if it works, I’d love to hear how. Or see how, even better. 10k health and no condi cleanse is almost sure death.

Here’s my build: http://de.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZQQNAqaVl8Mp8pFOxxJ0PNxLBt9Ia+G8cNnRzJEAA-T1iFABTfIA+Y/BHOBAJp0gO9AIpMzKlgkoJIS1fA4BAkwRAIAACgje0je0je0uuR35R35RLFggCjA-w

Black Frog.9274:

Put it to the test. I’m not familiar with PvP, but in WvW you are sure to die. It is not uncommon to be hit with 4 or 5 condis in short order. To even make use of IP and SoM, you must have a target, you must fire, and you must hit. All your healing is tied up in an active offensive action. You cannot simultaneously hide and attack with P/P once you start firing. Your deception skills are 48 sec and 24 sec with the bonus from stealth line, neither of which does you much good once your first stealth use runs out. Even if you manage to duck and hide from an initial onslaught, if you are targeted by another thief or mesmer, you’re dead for sure if you’re dazed or interrupted even once.

Like I said, if it works, I’d love to hear how. Or see how, even better. 10k health and no condi cleanse is almost sure death.

Here’s my build: http://de.gw2skills.net/editor/?fZQQNAqaVl8Mp8pFOxxJ0PNxLBt9Ia+G8cNnRzJEAA-T1iFABTfIA+Y/BHOBAJp0gO9AIpMzKlgkoJIS1fA4BAkwRAIAACgje0je0je0uuR35R35RLFggCjA-w

Couple things. You are criticizing the OP for his build but your build is not even good. One, you have no condi cleanse. Two, you aren’t utilizing p/p to its maximum potential by not taking more access to stealth skills like smokescreen or using d/p instead of short bow. The reason is for the combo field with unload or the auto on pistol. You honestly don’t need that much crit rate especially with fury. Why divinity runes? Why not pack, it would definitely add to your build more…? You have no refuge…Which is absolutely essential in wvw and even more so when you use p/p and short bow…If you try to argue that you blast your blind field with short bow…That’s just asking to get revealed. And signet of malice heal? What? This isn’t pve. So…Your build makes zero sense to me. Just saying. Any decent player would eat your thief alive. Care to explain? Kk, thanks.

What if they applied poison on to you? How do you get rid of it?

I think everyones missing the concept. My build is based around Combo Field: Dark and Smoke. The kit setup stops/reflects projectiles whilst also applying blinds. This pretty much puts most melee and ranged out of the question. The only damage that could possibly sneak through are some AoE’s and even then, with the amount of healing built into the kit, you’ll heal more than you take in if you play it right.

Thought i’d do a PvP game to test this there

Lettuce.2945:

Couple things. You are criticizing the OP for his build but your build is not even good. One, you have no condi cleanse. Two, you aren’t utilizing p/p to its maximum potential by not taking more access to stealth skills like smokescreen or using d/p instead of short bow. The reason is for the combo field with unload or the auto on pistol. You honestly don’t need that much crit rate especially with fury. Why divinity runes? Why not pack, it would definitely add to your build more…? You have no refuge…Which is absolutely essential in wvw and even more so when you use p/p and short bow…If you try to argue that you blast your blind field with short bow…That’s just asking to get revealed. And signet of malice heal? What? This isn’t pve. So…Your build makes zero sense to me. Just saying. Any decent player would eat your thief alive. Care to explain? Kk, thanks.

It does have condi cleanse. It’s got two. I’ll let you click around and find it. I specifically put up this version of my build, because its the version with SoM, so that the OP could see a version that has it. But here’s how I actually use the build: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Just-for-fun-P-P/first#post4700970

Some thieves are obsessed with stealth. It has its uses and I often skill that way (see link above), but it’s not the end all be all. Especially not the way I use this build, which is as a WvW zerg thief. I detail all of that and the condi issue in the other post. You’ll recognize the language I use there, because I basically reproduced it here. I don’t blast the field, I just don’t stealth. The S/B is a movement tool, wall shooter, and life saver (18k plus health, a gap creator, plus a condi cleanse <—- hint here’s one of the cleanses). I rarely use it for offensive purposes.

Fury is great, but it’s very short lived on the thief unless you’re using runes and that would be a waste of rune slots for a few extra seconds. The only reason I use thrill is because there’s nothing better at that level for the slot for what I do. Mostly I use it for swiftness when I stray from the zerg and need to get back to it. Relying on it would be foolish for the build and using it in large scale combat would require untargeting or actually gap closing into the enemy zerg, which is bad for squishy thief.

The zerg provides all the speed I could ever use, swiftness runes are a waste of space/money. I’ve tried a variety of runes. For what I do, divinity is the best overall. Pull up the build and work your way through rune sets. I opted for a less squishy thief than for 5% more in one or two stats plus a special ability.

Combo fields are great and P/P can make good use of them, but in the zerg, blinds are not as effective as one might hope. Everyone is spamming AAs, mass cleansing, and blinding 3 to 5 people out of a group of 30 to 50 is the definition of useless.

Yes, MANY decent players eat me alive. I’m a P/P thief!! As soon as you choose those weapons, you’ve kitten your build! I don’t do PvP, and I wouldn’t dare to bring it to PvP, but it’s for WvW zerg/large scale. I don’t pretend to be a good player at all! If you read through my posts, you’ll see that I fully admit my cluelessness. If you’ve got a P/P WvW build that you actually USE, not just theory craft. I’d like to see it.

I confined my comments to WvW criticisms. I can’t speak to PvP. If OP is limiting himself to PvP, then my comments mean nothing. I’m curious why you focused on me instead of OP? Do you think it’s a good build for WvW? PvP?

Black Frog.9274:

Lettuce.2945:

Couple things. You are criticizing the OP for his build but your build is not even good. One, you have no condi cleanse. Two, you aren’t utilizing p/p to its maximum potential by not taking more access to stealth skills like smokescreen or using d/p instead of short bow. The reason is for the combo field with unload or the auto on pistol. You honestly don’t need that much crit rate especially with fury. Why divinity runes? Why not pack, it would definitely add to your build more…? You have no refuge…Which is absolutely essential in wvw and even more so when you use p/p and short bow…If you try to argue that you blast your blind field with short bow…That’s just asking to get revealed. And signet of malice heal? What? This isn’t pve. So…Your build makes zero sense to me. Just saying. Any decent player would eat your thief alive. Care to explain? Kk, thanks.

It does have condi cleanse. It’s got two. I’ll let you click around and find it. I specifically put up this version of my build, because its the version with SoM, so that the OP could see a version that has it. But here’s how I actually use the build: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Just-for-fun-P-P/first#post4700970

Some thieves are obsessed with stealth. It has its uses and I often skill that way (see link above), but it’s not the end all be all. Especially not the way I use this build, which is as a WvW zerg thief. I detail all of that and the condi issue in the other post. You’ll recognize the language I use there, because I basically reproduced it here. I don’t blast the field, I just don’t stealth. The S/B is a movement tool, wall shooter, and life saver (18k plus health, a gap creator, plus a condi cleanse <—- hint here’s one of the cleanses). I rarely use it for offensive purposes.

Fury is great, but it’s very short lived on the thief unless you’re using runes and that would be a waste of rune slots for a few extra seconds. The only reason I use thrill is because there’s nothing better at that level for the slot for what I do. Mostly I use it for swiftness when I stray from the zerg and need to get back to it. Relying on it would be foolish for the build and using it in large scale combat would require untargeting or actually gap closing into the enemy zerg, which is bad for squishy thief.

The zerg provides all the speed I could ever use, swiftness runes are a waste of space/money. I’ve tried a variety of runes. For what I do, divinity is the best overall. Pull up the build and work your way through rune sets. I opted for a less squishy thief than for 5% more in one or two stats plus a special ability.

Combo fields are great and P/P can make good use of them, but in the zerg, blinds are not as effective as one might hope. Everyone is spamming AAs, mass cleansing, and blinding 3 to 5 people out of a group of 30 to 50 is the definition of useless.

Yes, MANY decent players eat me alive. I’m a P/P thief!! As soon as you choose those weapons, you’ve kitten your build! I don’t do PvP, and I wouldn’t dare to bring it to PvP, but it’s for WvW zerg/large scale. I don’t pretend to be a good player at all! If you read through my posts, you’ll see that I fully admit my cluelessness. If you’ve got a P/P WvW build that you actually USE, not just theory craft. I’d like to see it.

I confined my comments to WvW criticisms. I can’t speak to PvP. If OP is limiting himself to PvP, then my comments mean nothing. I’m curious why you focused on me instead of OP? Do you think it’s a good build for WvW? PvP?

Stopped reading after “zerg does the work for me” part.

My build is for small group fights. Not those boring kitten 50v50 fights where health doesnt matter anyways

Lettuce.2945:

Stopped reading after “zerg does the work for me” part.

I guess I can understand how mass cast swiftness and horn boons could evade your understanding. It totally makes more sense to extend the 60 secs of swiftness that never dissipates with some more runes. It’s probably better you don’t post. I’m sure you’ve got more forum warrior-ing and theory crafting to do; winning interwebz arguments is srs bizness.

So where’s that awesome P/P build you’ve developed?

rickysway.2460:

My build is for small group fights. Not those boring kitten 50v50 fights where health doesnt matter anyways

They are indeed different applications. Which is why I limited myself to WvW commentary. But even at 10 or 15 vs 10 or 15, the condis are a serious problem to consider.

Black Frog.9274:

Lettuce.2945:

Stopped reading after “zerg does the work for me” part.

I guess I can understand how mass cast swiftness and horn boons could evade your understanding. It totally makes more sense to extend the 60 secs of swiftness that never dissipates with some more runes. It’s probably better you don’t post. I’m sure you’ve got more forum warrior-ing and theory crafting to do; winning interwebz arguments is srs bizness.

So where’s that awesome P/P build you’ve developed?

Forum warring? I’m not the one K-Training and going “I know more than you on this specific subject”. And a good p/p build? Just run either SA d/p and p/p or panic strikes with smokescreen, shadow step, and refuge. Not that hard. Gear is up to you. As for me being a forum warrior, I lol’ed. I do plenty of outnumbered fights every day in wvw, unlike you, K-Training. Don’t believe me? Video evidence says it all.

Here’s a 3 v 15+.

2 v 8+ with hard razzing.

I’m Outta Nowhere in the vids. Enjoy. Very different from that mindless K training of yours, no?

This might be good for mapping and running general world events in PvE. You’ve got multiple-target ranged tagging and low-maintenance survivability. Just don’t try to solo any champs, and stick with a group if you go to Southsun or Silverwastes.

Lettuce.2945:

Black Frog.9274:

Lettuce.2945:

Stopped reading after “zerg does the work for me” part.

I guess I can understand how mass cast swiftness and horn boons could evade your understanding. It totally makes more sense to extend the 60 secs of swiftness that never dissipates with some more runes. It’s probably better you don’t post. I’m sure you’ve got more forum warrior-ing and theory crafting to do; winning interwebz arguments is srs bizness.

So where’s that awesome P/P build you’ve developed?

Forum warring? I’m not the one K-Training and going “I know more than you on this specific subject”. And a good p/p build? Just run either SA d/p and p/p or panic strikes with smokescreen, shadow step, and refuge. Not that hard. Gear is up to you. As for me being a forum warrior, I lol’ed. I do plenty of outnumbered fights every day in wvw, unlike you, K-Training. Don’t believe me? Video evidence says it all.

Here’s a 3 v 15+.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDxwyJc_1jg

2 v 8+ with hard razzing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3jcrHSDdPQ

I’m Outta Nowhere in the vids. Enjoy. Very different from that mindless K training of yours, no?

Should’ve recorded from your POV

Your boy is a keyboard turning skill clicker using full SA to carry him

Nice vid

Narkodx.1472:

Lettuce.2945:

Black Frog.9274:

Lettuce.2945:

Stopped reading after “zerg does the work for me” part.

I guess I can understand how mass cast swiftness and horn boons could evade your understanding. It totally makes more sense to extend the 60 secs of swiftness that never dissipates with some more runes. It’s probably better you don’t post. I’m sure you’ve got more forum warrior-ing and theory crafting to do; winning interwebz arguments is srs bizness.

So where’s that awesome P/P build you’ve developed?

Forum warring? I’m not the one K-Training and going “I know more than you on this specific subject”. And a good p/p build? Just run either SA d/p and p/p or panic strikes with smokescreen, shadow step, and refuge. Not that hard. Gear is up to you. As for me being a forum warrior, I lol’ed. I do plenty of outnumbered fights every day in wvw, unlike you, K-Training. Don’t believe me? Video evidence says it all.

Here’s a 3 v 15+.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDxwyJc_1jg

2 v 8+ with hard razzing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3jcrHSDdPQ

I’m Outta Nowhere in the vids. Enjoy. Very different from that mindless K training of yours, no?

Should’ve recorded from your POV

Your boy is a keyboard turning skill clicker using full SA to carry him

Nice vid

He’s learning thief. We are trying to get him to key bind his utilities. He’s getting a mouse for it, I think. He’s a good thief though compared to most out there. And thanks, it was a funny fight. Especially that 2 v 8. And I wish I could record. Too laggy whenever I try.

Another one. I 1 v 3’ed in this one. Was hilarious.

At no point in these videos are you wielding P/P. Maybe my eyes are weak with old age and I missed it. Can you point to a time stamp in the videos where you are using P/P so that I can focus my addled and weak mind? Your vs 8 appears to be mainly npcs. Or have my weak eyes deceived me? While you’re at it, could you just link your build rather than making vague statements? Also, could you address the point of thread? Please evaluate the OP’s build. Have you used it in WvW?

I run on Blackgate. Except for EotM, there are no karma trains running. We’re too busy fighting against two server pile ons to run around collecting karma.

By no means do I consider myself an expert or even knowledgeable. Anyone who reads my posts (all the way through) can easily see that. Even the post that you couldn’t bring yourself to complete clearly states that. There is ONE thing I kind of know in GW2 and that’s P/P in WvW. I’ve used nothing but it since I started. It’s terrible. I’m terrible. The combination is awful. But I’ve never seen anyone do it better (not that I do it well). When I do, I’m totally going to copy that guy. If YOU’RE that guy with the awesome P/P build and play style that totally works, I’m going to kiss your kitten and praise your name. I’ll even tickle your nuts and call you daddy. But what I see in your videos, well someone’s videos that don’t actually show your side of things, is a D/P thief fighting against small groups or even outnumbered players and NPCs.

If you think the OP’s build is great, why aren’t you running it?

I stand by my criticism of the OP’s build for WvW, though he has made it clear that he is using it for PvP. OP, if this works in PvP, good for you! I’m 100% behind anyone trying to make P/P work. Any P/P builds that work are a good thing. But if you bring it to WvW, don’t be surprised if you’re either limited to running camp take downs or getting your kitten handed to you in larger engagements.

Black Frog.9274:

At no point in these videos are you wielding P/P. Maybe my eyes are weak with old age and I missed it. Can you point to a time stamp in the videos where you are using P/P so that I can focus my addled and weak mind? Your vs 8 appears to be mainly npcs. Or have my weak eyes deceived me? While you’re at it, could you just link your build rather than making vague statements? Also, could you address the point of thread? Please evaluate the OP’s build. Have you used it in WvW?

I run on Blackgate. Except for EotM, there are no karma trains running. We’re too busy fighting against two server pile ons to run around collecting karma.

By no means do I consider myself an expert or even knowledgeable. Anyone who reads my posts (all the way through) can easily see that. Even the post that you couldn’t bring yourself to complete clearly states that. There is ONE thing I kind of know in GW2 and that’s P/P in WvW. I’ve used nothing but it since I started. It’s terrible. I’m terrible. The combination is awful. But I’ve never seen anyone do it better (not that I do it well). When I do, I’m totally going to copy that guy. If YOU’RE that guy with the awesome P/P build and play style that totally works, I’m going to kiss your kitten and praise your name. I’ll even tickle your nuts and call you daddy. But what I see in your videos, well someone’s videos that don’t actually show your side of things, is a D/P thief fighting against small groups or even outnumbered players and NPCs.

If you think the OP’s build is great, why aren’t you running it?

I stand by my criticism of the OP’s build for WvW, though he has made it clear that he is using it for PvP. OP, if this works in PvP, good for you! I’m 100% behind anyone trying to make P/P work. Any P/P builds that work are a good thing. But if you bring it to WvW, don’t be surprised if you’re either limited to running camp take downs or getting your kitten handed to you in larger engagements.

Feel free to duel me on a dueling server and I’ll be more than glad to demonstrate a p/p build to you. And I’ll gladly humiliate you. Hit me up when you are interested.

Lettuce.2945:

Feel free to duel me on a dueling server and I’ll be more than glad to demonstrate a p/p build to you. And I’ll gladly humiliate you. Hit me up when you are interested.

So you’ve got no P/P build? Your videos have no P/P. You aren’t posting any builds. You aren’t criticizing or approving the OP’s build. You aren’t answering anything. I’ve told you, I SUCK. SO TRAIN ME OH GOD OF P/P. OR STOP RUNNING YOUR kittenING MOUTH.

Black Frog.9274:

Lettuce.2945:

Feel free to duel me on a dueling server and I’ll be more than glad to demonstrate a p/p build to you. And I’ll gladly humiliate you. Hit me up when you are interested.

So you’ve got no P/P build? Your videos have no P/P. You aren’t posting any builds. You aren’t criticizing or approving the OP’s build. You aren’t answering anything. I’ve told you, I SUCK. SO TRAIN ME OH GOD OF P/P. OR STOP RUNNING YOUR kittenING MOUTH.

If you actually read my whole post, I actually did share 2 p/p builds. Gasps! Holy moly! Learn 2 read. Kkthxbai. Hit me up if you want a demonstration.

I’ve always like P/P thieves. Kind of the underdog and under estimated build among thieves. I originally tried out P/P just to make this video and ended up loving it.

Lettuce.2945:

Black Frog.9274:

Lettuce.2945:

Stopped reading after “zerg does the work for me” part.

I guess I can understand how mass cast swiftness and horn boons could evade your understanding. It totally makes more sense to extend the 60 secs of swiftness that never dissipates with some more runes. It’s probably better you don’t post. I’m sure you’ve got more forum warrior-ing and theory crafting to do; winning interwebz arguments is srs bizness.

So where’s that awesome P/P build you’ve developed?

Forum warring? I’m not the one K-Training and going “I know more than you on this specific subject”. And a good p/p build? Just run either SA d/p and p/p or panic strikes with smokescreen, shadow step, and refuge. Not that hard. Gear is up to you. As for me being a forum warrior, I lol’ed. I do plenty of outnumbered fights every day in wvw, unlike you, K-Training. Don’t believe me? Video evidence says it all.

Here’s a 3 v 15+.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDxwyJc_1jg

2 v 8+ with hard razzing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3jcrHSDdPQ

I’m Outta Nowhere in the vids. Enjoy. Very different from that mindless K training of yours, no?

but where do u use p/p, and why is that guy clicking his skills, tell him to stop that

I’ve had decent success with an evasion P/P initiative regen build in WvW roaming. It’s not the fastest killer, but it can survive quite well when using blinds properly.

Very much a reactive build; you can’t aggress with it. If you try to strike first, you’ll probably lose, but if you play on the defensive and apply pressure properly, it works quite well. Much more mobile to force foes to blow cooldowns to keep up.

P/P healing is actually very solid in sPvP, though. I ran/run a cleric’s/dwayna bunker setup focused entirely on healing huge amounts of health very quickly (Shadow Arts with HiS + leeching venoms on unload, anyone?) with limited dependency on staying in stealth and an extra emphasis on just keeping BP on point and surrounding me. Obviously not a damage dealer, but surprisingly tanky, and really funny when going into the occasional duel arena and stale-mating against D/D eles and terrormancers, and just straight up outlasting thieves since the burst is often too low to take me down.

If the videos above showed anything, though, it displayed how ridiculously forgiving and over-useful the shadow arts line is while the rest of the class suffers. I’m not sure when that footage was taken (and I’m on DB with no idea who half of those guilds were), but there were a lot of mistakes made in that video that would have easily forced any other thief build to go down instantly.

Been playing WvW for 4 days now and ive made up a new build which still revolves around on-hit healing with higher survivability. Ofc i lose about 200 power and 8% crit chance but i gain an extra 7000 health and 20% crit damage and the crit chance can be made up with the sigil of agility

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZQQRAqa4Yl8Mp3pFOxyJ0PNBQBtdAWd/9MJFpzZ0CA-TxBBwAYV+B4EAUTPBR1fo8AAWu/wZlgkCYVdWA-e

Dependant on play style i like to mix between “Roll for Initiative” to “Shadowstep” dependant on situation as “Shadowstep” gives me more mobility

Lettuce.2945:

Black Frog.9274:

Lettuce.2945:

Feel free to duel me on a dueling server and I’ll be more than glad to demonstrate a p/p build to you. And I’ll gladly humiliate you. Hit me up when you are interested.

So you’ve got no P/P build? Your videos have no P/P. You aren’t posting any builds. You aren’t criticizing or approving the OP’s build. You aren’t answering anything. I’ve told you, I SUCK. SO TRAIN ME OH GOD OF P/P. OR STOP RUNNING YOUR kittenING MOUTH.

If you actually read my whole post, I actually did share 2 p/p builds. Gasps! Holy moly! Learn 2 read. Kkthxbai. Hit me up if you want a demonstration.

My old eyes didn’t catch them. Could you please, for the sake of an old, old creaky man, link the builds directly? I hear there are build sites and links and everything. You don’t got jack. kthxbyenmorememetypekidspeak