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Posted by: davidcrickett.8536

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I have just taken my thief to 80 after finding this build
http://intothemists.com/guides/307-daggerpistol_backstab_by_rand_x_al_thor
and for the first time really enjoying being a thief, mainly wvw. I can roam and run with a zerg, too, if I am careful.
But… but… not to sound nooby, and I have read this forum, but…
I can’t seem to get permastealth?
I have read that shadow refuge and 3x heartseeker is no longer viable, been nerfed, I can get 15 sec stealth alone from shadow refuge, but not from the combo.
Then Black Powder + blinding powder + 3x cluster bomb… I can see I get area stealth, but only for about a second or so? Maybe I am very slow, or…?
Any other tricks?
Or is permastealth nerfed completely?

80: guardian (Ea Greenwood), warrior (Vulg Painbrain), necro (Dafydda),
mesmer (Petroline),
ele (Apple Scruff), engineer (Andersine And), ranger (Dafydd Black), thief (Pi Jensen).

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Posted by: pantsforbirds.9032

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I have just taken my thief to 80 after finding this build
http://intothemists.com/guides/307-daggerpistol_backstab_by_rand_x_al_thor
and for the first time really enjoying being a thief, mainly wvw. I can roam and ran with a zerg, too, if I am careful.
But… but… not to sound nooby, and I have read this forum, but…
I can’t seem to get permastealth?
I have read that shadow refuge and 3x heartseeker is no longer viable, been nerfed, I can get 15 sec stealth alone from shadow refuge, but not from the combo.
Then Black Powder + blinding powder + 3x cluster bomb… I can see I get area stealth, but only for about a second or so? Maybe I am very slow, or…?
Any other tricks?
Or is permastealth nerfed completely?

Hey glad you found my guide! To get perma stealth you have to lay down a black powder and get at least 3 heart seekers through it, but if you get 4 it’s easier. You will barely regen more initiative fast enough to be full right before stealth ends. If you want to get the three heart seekers you have to point your camera straight down on the ground and try aim to make a box with your leaps at the very edge of the black powder ring. If you are still struggling with it tomorrow I’ll make a small video guide.

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Posted by: BlueDragon.7054

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If you want to get the three heart seekers you have to point your camera straight down on the ground and try aim to make a box with your leaps at the very edge of the black powder ring. If you are still struggling with it tomorrow I’ll make a small video guide.

You don´t need the camera glitch (reduced hs distance) for 3 heart seekers, you only need the camera trick if you want 4 hs.

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is this thing even allowed in Gw2 or it counts as a cheat?

You can have perma stealth completely legit, as I have said you can use 3 hs through the black powder without using the camera glitch. And there are many ways to do that, the easiest one is to lay down the bp, then hs then 180° turn and hs twice, you even have enough time to change your direction for the 3° hs to end in the direction that you want.

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Posted by: davidcrickett.8536

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Thanks! I really like your build! I take it the skills in Deadly Arts are so important, that there is no room for Master of Deception? Or is it just no good?
Also, after Black Powder+3x heartseekers I seem to have no stealth to backstap? Am I just being exceptionally slow or…?

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Posted by: davidcrickett.8536

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Yes, please… make the video, I am really bad at this, I just jump way out of the field… lol
Nice to have the buildmaker here!
I wanted to ask you: Do you want to make any changes to the build after the latest updates/nerfs, or is it good?

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Posted by: pantsforbirds.9032

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Yes, please… make the video, I am really bad at this, I just jump way out of the field… lol
Nice to have the buildmaker here!
I wanted to ask you: Do you want to make any changes to the build after the latest updates/nerfs, or is it good?

So first off I would like to say I’m positive I wasn’t the first one to make this build, but I didn’t see any guides for a build like it so I wrote one up. I run a couple of variations you can go 10/30/30/0/0 for a more damage oriented build, but perma stealth is harder without the extra initiative regen (the traits are the same, but take executioner and mug).

For small group fights I’ll occasionally use 10/30/0/0/30. Take mug |side strikes, furious retaliation, and executioner | thrill of the crime, bountiful thief, and trait to daze on steal. Perma stealth is impossible on this build, but it hits really hard and gives solid booms to you and your teammates and gives you a very helpful daze.

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Posted by: pantsforbirds.9032

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If you want to get the three heart seekers you have to point your camera straight down on the ground and try aim to make a box with your leaps at the very edge of the black powder ring. If you are still struggling with it tomorrow I’ll make a small video guide.

You don´t need the camera glitch (reduced hs distance) for 3 heart seekers, you only need the camera trick if you want 4 hs.

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is this thing even allowed in Gw2 or it counts as a cheat?

You can have perma stealth completely legit, as I have said you can use 3 hs through the black powder without using the camera glitch. And there are many ways to do that, the easiest one is to lay down the bp, then hs then 180° turn and hs twice, you even have enough time to change your direction for the 3° hs to end in the direction that you want.

It’s not a glitch? And I highly recommend using the camera technique because it allows to actually stay in position vs the 180 degree technique.

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Posted by: BlueDragon.7054

BlueDragon.7054

If you want to get the three heart seekers you have to point your camera straight down on the ground and try aim to make a box with your leaps at the very edge of the black powder ring. If you are still struggling with it tomorrow I’ll make a small video guide.

You don´t need the camera glitch (reduced hs distance) for 3 heart seekers, you only need the camera trick if you want 4 hs.

Perma stealth? :S
is this thing even allowed in Gw2 or it counts as a cheat?

You can have perma stealth completely legit, as I have said you can use 3 hs through the black powder without using the camera glitch. And there are many ways to do that, the easiest one is to lay down the bp, then hs then 180° turn and hs twice, you even have enough time to change your direction for the 3° hs to end in the direction that you want.

It’s not a glitch? And I highly recommend using the camera technique because it allows to actually stay in position vs the 180 degree technique.

Nop, perma stealth it’s not a glitch unless you reduce the leap distance with the camera trick.

I know it ´s not players fault that moving the camera reduce the leap distance, but it’s still a bug and may be some day ANET will fix it (probably not)

But as i have said, if you don´t use the camera reduced leap, you are not glitching you are just using the combo multiple times as you can do it with every other combo. Although may be someday they will change infusion of shadow to prevent perma stealth.

I didn´t say the 180° is better, I agree with you that the camera technique is better, I said there are many ways to do it and just pointed out the easiest one (it doesn´t require any practice, any one can do that) but to get 4 hs in the black powder you need to point your camera straight down on the ground as you said because that reduces the distance of the hs leap.

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Posted by: davidcrickett.8536

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btw I use Superior Runes of the Traveler… is it just hard to tell, or doesn’t Fleet Shadow work with the runes?

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Posted by: pantsforbirds.9032

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btw I use Superior Runes of the Traveler… is it just hard to tell, or doesn’t Fleet Shadow work with the runes?

The cap is 33% movement speed so that’s what you actually get when stealthed, but I would recommend you try withdraw and vigorous renewal. Withdraw has to be one of the absolute best heals in the game

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Posted by: davidcrickett.8536

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Vigorous Recovery?

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Posted by: Sceinna.3561

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Nop, perma stealth it’s not a glitch unless you reduce the leap distance with the camera trick.

I know it ´s not players fault that moving the camera reduce the leap distance, but it’s still a bug and may be some day ANET will fix it (probably not)

It’s not a bug.. what the hell are you on about? It’s a matter of controlling your Heartseekers, pretty much the same way you’d use any leap to improve your mobility (warriors doing their crazy leaps to sprint all over the place, eles using ride the lightning on no targets…)

What you are describing as a bug is about the only “skilled” part about D/P. The perma stealth you GAIN from it is the bug. Because at the start of the game there was said there wouldn’t be perma stealthing yet there is.. and it’s being “fixed” in such a bad way it affects other thieves who aren’t abusing stealth (anti stealth trap in almost all situations means you’re dead, the new ranger reveal trick… )

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Posted by: davidcrickett.8536

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Hey, behave!
Exactly how much stealth do you gain from this “bug”?

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Posted by: Karolis.4261

Karolis.4261

Its not a “bug”, but next time your are leaping through black powder 3-4x times, take a look at it and think if it actually was intended to be used that way, or simply game mechanics let it get out of control… I’ am guaranteed that x/d was intended to be heaviest stealth build and d/p should have been less stealth, more control (blinds, dazes) and chasing (900range gap closer with built in bind) kind of build.

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Posted by: Burnfall.9573

Burnfall.9573

Perma stealth? :S
is this thing even allowed in Gw2 or it counts as a cheat?

It is allowed since Guild Wars 2 release and Arena.net honors it.

To answer your second question, yes, only thief class can cheat but don’t call them cheater though, cause they will deny it to the end; yes! even to the end to your sudden deaths.

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Posted by: Galandil.9641

Galandil.9641

It is allowed since Guild Wars 2 release and Arena.net honors it.

To answer your second question, yes, only thief class can cheat but don’t call them cheater though, cause they will deny it to the end; yes! even to the end to your sudden deaths.

You’re the guy who stated in another thread that thieves can backstab for 12-27k. Why should we ever, even for a tiny amount of time equal to the decaying time of a bottom quark, take you seriously?

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Posted by: Burnfall.9573

Burnfall.9573

It is allowed since Guild Wars 2 release and Arena.net honors it.

To answer your second question, yes, only thief class can cheat but don’t call them cheater though, cause they will deny it to the end; yes! even to the end to your sudden deaths.

You’re the guy who stated in another thread that thieves can backstab for 12-27k. Why should we ever, even for a tiny amount of time equal to the decaying time of a bottom quark, take you seriously?

Because i speak Truth; infact i understated the numbers, it is 29k+ backstab.

A little bit of info; i always keep clost eyes inthief forum; in strengthining my ranger ; although never works against them.

You muist’ve missed the thread in Thiefs’ forum 4 months ago—

“Your highest backstab ever?”

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Your-highest-backstab-ever/page/2#post2129002

I will quote the thief with the highest backstab clocked at 29,537k

“This thread needs pix!

15-20 Might/Vul… no bloodlust
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Posted by: Burnfall.9573

Burnfall.9573

It is allowed since Guild Wars 2 release and Arena.net honors it.

To answer your second question, yes, only thief class can cheat but don’t call them cheater though, cause they will deny it to the end; yes! even to the end to your sudden deaths.

You’re the guy who stated in another thread that thieves can backstab for 12-27k. Why should we ever, even for a tiny amount of time equal to the decaying time of a bottom quark, take you seriously?

“bottom quark” you say?

Do you read anything? because if you did, you also should’ve known that Name Callings and Insults are against The Rules

(I will not report you so next time, restrict yourself from doing so)

And I’m Serious!!

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Posted by: Sceinna.3561

Sceinna.3561

It is allowed since Guild Wars 2 release and Arena.net honors it.

To answer your second question, yes, only thief class can cheat but don’t call them cheater though, cause they will deny it to the end; yes! even to the end to your sudden deaths.

You’re the guy who stated in another thread that thieves can backstab for 12-27k. Why should we ever, even for a tiny amount of time equal to the decaying time of a bottom quark, take you seriously?

Because i speak Truth; infact i understated the numbers, it is 29k+ backstab.

A little bit of info; i always keep clost eyes on thief forum; in strengthining my ranger yet never works.

You muist’ve missed the thread in Thiefs’ forum 4 months ago—

“Your highest backstab ever?”

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Your-highest-backstab-ever/page/2#post2129002

I will quote the thief with the highest backstab clocked at 29,537k

“This thread needs pix!

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Highest backstab I’ve had on me was 12K (medium class, 1800 toughness)..I’m doubtful even with full bloodlust & 25 stacks of might you go above 20k lol -_-"

You can’t even maintain 20 stacks of might as d/d, not with dodgeroll food & traits.. 10 is do-able

Warrior at the other hand is able to kill shot you down instantly, I see no one complaining about that (altho it hasn’t happened to me in ages lol, did it get nerfed or something?). 95% of thieves in wvw are able to gank single (probably upscaled) targets or roam in a group.. because solo they cannot do anything. It still puzzles me how many people complain about thieves when you have a million counters to it. Thief is a horrible class, the only “good” and actually really overpowered thing about thieves is stealth. They lack everywhere else, it’s always a huge sacrifice you make.. that thief that backstabbed me for 12K probably had less HP than he backstabbed me for.. with 1200 toughness.

If its not a one hit kill for him it becomes dangerous.

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Posted by: Burnfall.9573

Burnfall.9573

Sceinna, “Warrior at the other hand is able to kill shot you down instantly, I see no one complaining about that altho it hasn’t happened to me in ages lol, did it get nerfed or something?”

Indeed! but there are still few players complaining about their 1 kill-killshot,

The difference between warriors killshots and Thieves Overkill stabs are simple;

Killshots are not mobile while thieves Overkill stabss are.

It’s obvious why so many don’t complain about war killshots, while thief not only can Overkill stabb you they can do that while in stealth.

Why do think many and many players; even thieves players as well, complains about thief class is OP?

It quite obvious..

because they are.

It’s quite Simple; Stealth+Overkill Stabs= OP

(i’m glad you admit, thief stealth is OP)

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Posted by: Hype.8032

Hype.8032

Nerf Burnfall, he is clearly OP Hey friend, glad to see you’re still sticking in there! Can I ask what your main profession is by chance?

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Posted by: Maugetarr.6823

Maugetarr.6823

He is a ranger.

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Posted by: Galandil.9641

Galandil.9641

It is allowed since Guild Wars 2 release and Arena.net honors it.

To answer your second question, yes, only thief class can cheat but don’t call them cheater though, cause they will deny it to the end; yes! even to the end to your sudden deaths.

You’re the guy who stated in another thread that thieves can backstab for 12-27k. Why should we ever, even for a tiny amount of time equal to the decaying time of a bottom quark, take you seriously?

“bottom quark” you say?

Do you read anything? because if you did, you also should’ve known that Name Callings and Insults are against The Rules

(I will not report you so next time, restrict yourself from doing so)

And I’m Serious!!

You should learn a little bit more the english language (since I see that you’re not a mother language), in order to understand that I did not call you a bottom quark, the message was quite different.

And I’m serious too.

About the backstab image, that was pre-nerf of Assassin Signet, and no one stated if the target was naked or else. The math is there, use it to your advantage instead of spamming bullkitten on this forum, it’s time better spent in the former case, you could learn a thing or two about the class and how to play against it.

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Posted by: BlueDragon.7054

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Nop, perma stealth it’s not a glitch unless you reduce the leap distance with the camera trick.

I know it ´s not players fault that moving the camera reduce the leap distance, but it’s still a bug and may be some day ANET will fix it (probably not)

It’s not a bug.. what the hell are you on about? It’s a matter of controlling your Heartseekers, pretty much the same way you’d use any leap to improve your mobility (warriors doing their crazy leaps to sprint all over the place, eles using ride the lightning on no targets…)

The bug is that the camera angle affects the distance of the leap, and that´s a bug, the skills clearly states their range in their description, heart seeker range is 450 as you can read in the description of the skill. So if you get a range reduction because the camera
is facing down it’s a bug. Skilled or not it´s still a bug. In your example, warriors running away with leaps, I’m not sure but I think they are not altering the leap range with the camera.

What you are describing as a bug is about the only “skilled” part about D/P. The perma stealth you GAIN from it is the bug. Because at the start of the game there was said there wouldn’t be perma stealthing yet there is.. and it’s being “fixed” in such a bad way it affects other thieves who aren’t abusing stealth (anti stealth trap in almost all situations means you’re dead, the new ranger reveal trick… )

The perma stealth it’s not a bug, may be a bad game design but not a bug, a bug is something not working because of errors in the game. A smoke field + leap finisher = stealth, so if you use the combo many times you keep getting the effect, it´s working as intended, it’s just that ANET didnt think while making the game that people would use the leap though the smoke field many times in a row to stack stealth. Saying it´s a bug is like saying that might staking with a fire combo field and a blast finisher is a bug and we know it is not bug.

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Posted by: pantsforbirds.9032

pantsforbirds.9032

Nop, perma stealth it’s not a glitch unless you reduce the leap distance with the camera trick.

I know it ´s not players fault that moving the camera reduce the leap distance, but it’s still a bug and may be some day ANET will fix it (probably not)

It’s not a bug.. what the hell are you on about? It’s a matter of controlling your Heartseekers, pretty much the same way you’d use any leap to improve your mobility (warriors doing their crazy leaps to sprint all over the place, eles using ride the lightning on no targets…)

The bug is that the camera angle affects the distance of the leap, and that´s a bug, the skills clearly states their range in their description, heart seeker range is 450 as you can read in the description of the skill. So if you get a range reduction because the camera
is facing down it’s a bug. Skilled or not it´s still a bug. In your example, warriors running away with leaps, I’m not sure but I think they are not altering the leap range with the camera.

What you are describing as a bug is about the only “skilled” part about D/P. The perma stealth you GAIN from it is the bug. Because at the start of the game there was said there wouldn’t be perma stealthing yet there is.. and it’s being “fixed” in such a bad way it affects other thieves who aren’t abusing stealth (anti stealth trap in almost all situations means you’re dead, the new ranger reveal trick… )

The perma stealth it’s not a bug, may be a bad game design but not a bug, a bug is something not working because of errors in the game. A smoke field + leap finisher = stealth, so if you use the combo many times you keep getting the effect, it´s working as intended, it’s just that ANET didnt think while making the game that people would use the leap though the smoke field many times in a row to stack stealth. Saying it´s a bug is like saying that might staking with a fire combo field and a blast finisher is a bug and we know it is not bug.

I’m pretty sure leaps are meant to be effected by multiple factors. Your camera angle changes the leap distance, swiftness makes the leap longer and cripple and chill make the leap shorter. I’m not positive, but i believe its part of the game’s design.

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Posted by: BlueDragon.7054

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I’m pretty sure leaps are meant to be effected by multiple factors. Your camera angle changes the leap distance, swiftness makes the leap longer and cripple and chill make the leap shorter. I’m not positive, but i believe its part of the game’s design.

I agree that leaps should be affected by swiftness and cripple and things that change speed, since they are supposed to affect movement. Actually the wiki says : “leaping increases the movement speed of the player to close the distance and is affected by swiftness, crippled, chilled, immobilized or any other effects that modify movement speed”

But I’m not sure that the camera angle changing the leap distance is part of the game design, I think that the camera angle should be just the point of view from where you’re looking the game and shouldn’t affect how skills work, but ANET is the only one that can clarify if it is intended or not. So may be you are right and it’s intended, we can´t know for sure if it’ s intended or not.

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Posted by: pantsforbirds.9032

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I’m pretty sure leaps are meant to be effected by multiple factors. Your camera angle changes the leap distance, swiftness makes the leap longer and cripple and chill make the leap shorter. I’m not positive, but i believe its part of the game’s design.

I agree that leaps should be affected by swiftness and cripple and things that change speed, since they are supposed to affect movement. Actually the wiki says : “leaping increases the movement speed of the player to close the distance and is affected by swiftness, crippled, chilled, immobilized or any other effects that modify movement speed”

But I’m not sure that the camera angle changing the leap distance is part of the game design, I think that the camera angle should be just the point of view from where you’re looking the game and shouldn’t affect how skills work, but ANET is the only one that can clarify if it is intended or not. So may be you are right and it’s intended, we can´t know for sure if it’ s intended or not.

It’s also used to aim your leap. In this case thieves are just aiming their leap into the ground.

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Posted by: BlueDragon.7054

BlueDragon.7054

I’m pretty sure leaps are meant to be effected by multiple factors. Your camera angle changes the leap distance, swiftness makes the leap longer and cripple and chill make the leap shorter. I’m not positive, but i believe its part of the game’s design.

I agree that leaps should be affected by swiftness and cripple and things that change speed, since they are supposed to affect movement. Actually the wiki says : “leaping increases the movement speed of the player to close the distance and is affected by swiftness, crippled, chilled, immobilized or any other effects that modify movement speed”

But I’m not sure that the camera angle changing the leap distance is part of the game design, I think that the camera angle should be just the point of view from where you’re looking the game and shouldn’t affect how skills work, but ANET is the only one that can clarify if it is intended or not. So may be you are right and it’s intended, we can´t know for sure if it’ s intended or not.

It’s also used to aim your leap. In this case thieves are just aiming their leap into the ground.

I know it’s used for aiming but it´s not the camera by itself that reduces the leap actually the camera is just the point of view as I have said. You attack in the direction that you are facing, but you use the camera to adjust the position that you are facing.

So when you aim normally the camera is not affecting the skills, but when you are facing down it works as you said I think, you are leaping into the ground so you get the leap reduced because of the collisions, and I’m not sure that it’s intended to work like that, at least not in flat terrains.

I think I’m just thinking it too much. Thanks for the replies pantsforbirds, good night.

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Posted by: davidcrickett.8536

davidcrickett.8536

Smoke screen + 4 clusters, I can do that. Put a blinding power on top of it, too.

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Posted by: yski.7642

yski.7642

Here we go again..

~16.5k backstabs are doable in real combat scenarios. You could take it even higher with blood lust stacks (I’m too lazy for them) and more ascended gear. Here’s a video, build is in the description.

Learn the ways of the mighty Deathleaf: http://www.youtube.com/user/YskiTheBanshee

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Posted by: Galandil.9641

Galandil.9641

Here we go again..

~16.5k backstabs are doable in real combat scenarios. You could take it even higher with blood lust stacks (I’m too lazy for them) and more ascended gear. Here’s a video, build is in the description.

Why Executioner and not Hidden Killer? It would fit this build a lot better, since you rely mostly on backstab high damage, with full ascended (and zerker) trinkets/weapons, you have 62% crit chance, so better go for HK to land critted backstab, then you have 82% after the backstab almost all the times with Furious Ret.

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Posted by: yski.7642

yski.7642

Why Executioner and not Hidden Killer? It would fit this build a lot better, since you rely mostly on backstab high damage, with full ascended (and zerker) trinkets/weapons, you have 62% crit chance, so better go for HK to land critted backstab, then you have 82% after the backstab almost all the times with Furious Ret.

Because executioner gives more damage, even if it makes the burst somewhat unreliable. I was sort of trying to maximize the damage for fancy videos here :P

For a slightly more sensible version, swap out signet of malice for Hide in Shadows and depending on the situation Executioner for Hidden Killer. Swap one of the signets for a stun breaker as well, and our build suddenly becomes almost viable!

Learn the ways of the mighty Deathleaf: http://www.youtube.com/user/YskiTheBanshee

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Posted by: Burnfall.9573

Burnfall.9573

Here we go again..

~16.5k backstabs are doable in real combat scenarios. You could take it even higher with blood lust stacks (I’m too lazy for them) and more ascended gear. Here’s a video, build is in the description.

I always Appreciate an Honest thief for backing the Truth.

Once again, Thank You! for not being ashamed of the Truth.

Advocate of Justice, Liberty and Truth

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Posted by: Mathias.9657

Mathias.9657

It is allowed since Guild Wars 2 release and Arena.net honors it.

To answer your second question, yes, only thief class can cheat but don’t call them cheater though, cause they will deny it to the end; yes! even to the end to your sudden deaths.

You’re the guy who stated in another thread that thieves can backstab for 12-27k. Why should we ever, even for a tiny amount of time equal to the decaying time of a bottom quark, take you seriously?

Because i speak Truth; infact i understated the numbers, it is 29k+ backstab.

A little bit of info; i always keep clost eyes inthief forum; in strengthining my ranger ; although never works against them.

You muist’ve missed the thread in Thiefs’ forum 4 months ago—

“Your highest backstab ever?”

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Your-highest-backstab-ever/page/2#post2129002

I will quote the thief with the highest backstab clocked at 29,537k

“This thread needs pix!

15-20 Might/Vul… no bloodlust
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If you really think that’s possible vs a player then there is no hope for you. And if you can’t faceroll a thief as a ranger, there is even less hope for you.

My guess is you’re a typical baddie that is raged at thief or simply trolling. I can’t believe people take crits vs ungeared uplevels seriously.

Back to WoW, make GW2 fun please.

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Posted by: yski.7642

yski.7642

I always Appreciate an Honest thief for backing the Truth.

Once again, Thank You! for not being ashamed of the Truth.

Glad you like it, though as I’ve pointed out before, practically every profession is capable of similar bursts

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Posted by: davidcrickett.8536

davidcrickett.8536

@pantsforbirds: I read somewhere, that you can only —after laying down blackpowder—, get down one heartseeker, on the next heartseeker you will get revealed. Then it’s kind of a no-go, because it should go like blackpowder+3x heartseeker+backstab?
No wonder I couldn’t stay in stealth and backstab after three heartseekers! lol

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mesmer (Petroline),
ele (Apple Scruff), engineer (Andersine And), ranger (Dafydd Black), thief (Pi Jensen).

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Posted by: pantsforbirds.9032

pantsforbirds.9032

@pantsforbirds: I read somewhere, that you can only —after laying down blackpowder—, get down one heartseeker, on the next heartseeker you will get revealed. Then it’s kind of a no-go, because it should go like blackpowder+3x heartseeker+backstab?
No wonder I couldn’t stay in stealth and backstab after three heartseekers! lol

So you damage anything while you’re in stealth or you will get revealed. If you want perma stealth you need to not hit anybody with your heartseekers. I usually don’t rely too much on perma stealthing unless I am trying to heal or I’m trying to clear condi.

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Posted by: davidcrickett.8536

davidcrickett.8536

Sorry, I was not referring to permastealth this time, but to your build:
“This is your main rotation. You will drop a blackpowder and heartseeker through it 3 times (your initiative gain on stealth will make sure that you have enough initiative to do this) and then you backstab your opponent (the rotation shows your regular auto attac, but its really supposed to be backstab). I often stay in stealth as long as possible for the extra might stacks, condi removal, and healing before backstabbing.”
It must have been before “revealed” was introduced, right? You seem to be stealthed through three heartseekers and then backstab?

80: guardian (Ea Greenwood), warrior (Vulg Painbrain), necro (Dafydda),
mesmer (Petroline),
ele (Apple Scruff), engineer (Andersine And), ranger (Dafydd Black), thief (Pi Jensen).

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Posted by: Karolis.4261

Karolis.4261

Sorry, I was not referring to permastealth this time, but to your build:
“This is your main rotation. You will drop a blackpowder and heartseeker through it 3 times (your initiative gain on stealth will make sure that you have enough initiative to do this) and then you backstab your opponent (the rotation shows your regular auto attac, but its really supposed to be backstab). I often stay in stealth as long as possible for the extra might stacks, condi removal, and healing before backstabbing.”
It must have been before “revealed” was introduced, right? You seem to be stealthed through three heartseekers and then backstab?

Before revealed was introduced ? Oh cmon ppl. You dont get revealed as long as you dont hit anyone, so you can spam HS through BP all you want.

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Posted by: davidcrickett.8536

davidcrickett.8536

Ah, I must have misunderstood the guide. I thought that you attacked with Blackpowder+3x heartseekers+backstab.
And that permastealth was done away from an opponent, in the same way, minus backstab of course.
Duh! My bad. Sorry.

80: guardian (Ea Greenwood), warrior (Vulg Painbrain), necro (Dafydda),
mesmer (Petroline),
ele (Apple Scruff), engineer (Andersine And), ranger (Dafydd Black), thief (Pi Jensen).

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Posted by: Gwalchgwn.1659

Gwalchgwn.1659

It is allowed since Guild Wars 2 release and Arena.net honors it.

To answer your second question, yes, only thief class can cheat but don’t call them cheater though, cause they will deny it to the end; yes! even to the end to your sudden deaths.

You’re the guy who stated in another thread that thieves can backstab for 12-27k. Why should we ever, even for a tiny amount of time equal to the decaying time of a bottom quark, take you seriously?

“bottom quark” you say?

Do you read anything? because if you did, you also should’ve known that Name Callings and Insults are against The Rules

(I will not report you so next time, restrict yourself from doing so)

And I’m Serious!!

Are you a troll or something? Quark is a particle that contistutes matter (proton, neuron). Bottom quark is a form of it. And it’s decay (time ’till half of the particles are changed into another form) is very very very low (10^-12s according to wiki).

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Posted by: Burnfall.9573

Burnfall.9573

It is allowed since Guild Wars 2 release and Arena.net honors it.

To answer your second question, yes, only thief class can cheat but don’t call them cheater though, cause they will deny it to the end; yes! even to the end to your sudden deaths.

You’re the guy who stated in another thread that thieves can backstab for 12-27k. Why should we ever, even for a tiny amount of time equal to the decaying time of a bottom quark, take you seriously?

“bottom quark” you say?

Do you read anything? because if you did, you also should’ve known that Name Callings and Insults are against The Rules

(I will not report you so next time, restrict yourself from doing so)

And I’m Serious!!

Are you a troll or something? Quark is a particle that contistutes matter (proton, neuron). Bottom quark is a form of it. And it’s decay (time ’till half of the particles are changed into another form) is very very very low (10^-12s according to wiki).

I admit; i missunderstood you.

Also, why use a scientific terminology word in the first place?

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Posted by: Gwalchgwn.1659

Gwalchgwn.1659

It is allowed since Guild Wars 2 release and Arena.net honors it.

To answer your second question, yes, only thief class can cheat but don’t call them cheater though, cause they will deny it to the end; yes! even to the end to your sudden deaths.

You’re the guy who stated in another thread that thieves can backstab for 12-27k. Why should we ever, even for a tiny amount of time equal to the decaying time of a bottom quark, take you seriously?

“bottom quark” you say?

Do you read anything? because if you did, you also should’ve known that Name Callings and Insults are against The Rules

(I will not report you so next time, restrict yourself from doing so)

And I’m Serious!!

Are you a troll or something? Quark is a particle that contistutes matter (proton, neuron). Bottom quark is a form of it. And it’s decay (time ’till half of the particles are changed into another form) is very very very low (10^-12s according to wiki).

I admit; i missunderstood you.

Also, why use a scientific terminology word in the first place?

I wasn’t the person who said it though, so just mentioning

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Posted by: blackgoat.5172

blackgoat.5172

I admit; i missunderstood you.

Also, why use a scientific terminology word in the first place?

because some people possess logic and intelligence AND choose to use their gifts in their everyday life…..

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