Guild Wars 2

A buddy and I made two new videos showing another method (common yes) of perma stealth and just how powerful it is if applied!

Duo cap – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9XC0SlkP90
Trio Cap- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-rc5ksQN3M

Warning the videos are long and I would encourage you to skip around.

We are also looking for more Tarnished Coast thieves that would like to learn a few more of our undisclosed tactics we have been applying lately. If your interested in learning message Carmine Valkyrie or myself (Professor Sensei) in game!

only saw duo cap … i didn’t get it .
can you explain what you are doing? It just looks stupid to me.

We are sneaking into a tower that is about to be flipped by one of the opposing servers. We are using methods to perma stealth ourselves to hide, wait for the zerg to cap and leave, then retake the tower for ourselves after the lord buff is gone.

ah ok. But the zerg inside wasn’t watching you, otherwise they would have seen field and blast and melted you with aoe.

Daendur.2357:

only saw duo cap … i didn’t get it .
can you explain what you are doing? It just looks stupid to me.

I don’t really see what your missing. Just like Chewy explained. We let other servers do the work for us when to comes to breaking the wall or knocking down the door. We run in behind them and go to one of our hiding spots. The group leaves and we wait 5+ min for the lord buff to wear off and the tower to clear out. We walk up, kill lord, and take the tower for our server.

The point of our method is that it takes 0 seige to cap a tower. You CAN solo one using Chewy’s build but it takes forever. A group of 2 can cap in 30-50 seconds flat with full zerk gear. Parties of 5 can flip a tower in 20-30 seconds with little effort.

We started making these videos as a way to encourage other methods of play in WvW. It breaks up the zerg when they have to try and counter us. On our end it can be really exciting when we have fights in the bottom of towers to try and wipe their team and cap a tower all before the point tally.

Daendur.2357:

ah ok. But the zerg inside wasn’t watching you, otherwise they would have seen field and blast and melted you with aoe.

sorry in advance for the double post…

No zergs are stupid. We do this all the time and RARELY do people stop to sweep. We will usually put Blinding Powder on our bar as well so we can stack stealth without being noticed by someone sweeping by.

ok now i get what you are doing. You should have recorded your opponents inside the tower to clarify it.
I think that it should be nice try to kill guards and lord without leaving stealth and leave it just for the final capture (the ring part).

Daendur.2357:

ok now i get what you are doing. You should have recorded your opponents inside the tower to clarify it.
I think that it should be nice try to kill guards and lord without leaving stealth and leave it just for the final capture (the ring part).

Well it would be possible with caltrops and poison fields if thiefs were condi speced, but … why ? It would take ages

25 stacks of bleeding + neverending poison.. it wouldn’t take ages and you can do it immediately after cap. no need to wait 5 minutes to start engage.

Daendur.2357:

25 stacks of bleeding + neverending poison.. it wouldn’t take ages and you can do it immediately after cap. no need to wait 5 minutes to start engage.

Our speed is pretty fast as is. I would rather not draw swords.

I can do this solo with my Death Blossom build.

It’s quite fun.

I was experimenting earlier in wvw, and I found out the same tactic.

I think one thief can actually keep a team of 5 stealthed this way. Using “infusion of shadows” “infiltrator’s signet” and “patience” for initiative gaining (since we’re now assuming you’re the only thief)
Blackpowder clusterbomb combo, smokescreen clusterbomb combo (cause blackpowder doesn’t last long enough for a solo teamstealth) and in case of urgency Shadow refuge and/or blinding powder.

Going to try this out now with some guildies

Glad to see other people attempting things like this. It’s not always easy, but its always fun.

Attempt 1: failed
Couldn’t find a good spot where the clusterbomb wouldn’t reveal me ..
And when I could, it was a bit obvious for the enemies to see a smokescreen veil ..

Attempt 2 tomorrow

I don’t know how to do this for an entire team but i can do it solo with D/P. I do find it funny that one wrong move you cause damage and have an “O hai there!” moment with the enemy.

TheGuy.3568:

I don’t know how to do this for an entire team but i can do it solo with D/P. I do find it funny that one wrong move you cause damage and have an “O hai there!” moment with the enemy.

Shortbow first set, x/P second set
Use blackpowder/clusterbomb and smokescreen/clusterbomb combination to keep stealth up. This setup is initiative heavy though, so you’ll need patience/infusion of shadows

found a way to do it solo – trade secret

Next thing to be nerfed following patch.
Why do people even make videos of this and post it on official forums where every fun skill or method gets nerfed and normalized until every profession has the same skills with different particle effects.

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

found a way to do it solo – trade secret

Solo isn’t hard. Just takes way to long.

PS: wow you necroed a really old thread

Another way to stay hidden without aoe is to chain CnD off of a wall. should work for everyone if you time it right but i also have some init regen on meh

First video probably not the best example for what you guys are doing second video is a far better example as we see how you guys got in there and how you had to hide and how you can get attacked. However unfortunately I can see this as an excuse other classes will use to try to get us nerfed. I hope it dosnt get nerfed and forces people to sweep a tower before they leave

Awesome! Really never thought of doing this, but this is great! Tested with a friend of mine and it was so fun. We hate Zergs, so it’s awesome to feel like we’re participating in the war ^^

Still wish there was systems like warhammer, stuff like multiple gates to basically every castle and a small backdoor defenders could use to sneak back into the defense (which could be guarded by attackers as part of the siege strategy) with certain classes being able to “sneak” through enemy backdoors to try and help distrupt the defense while other classes got stuff like siege damage reductions for themselve and nearby people so they could push oil defended doors and such…

But alas it seems stuff like this that basically involves essentially waiting in the corner for the enemies to do everything first is the closest this game will ever really see.

In certain towers (ogrewatch post for example) it’s possible to get allies into the tower (if two thieves stealth a mesmer inside) before enemy notice it. A sudden attack in the back could be rather devastating if not expected.

This is very cool, innovative and aggressive. Unfortunateley the zerg QQrs will think it unfair because of those traits.

Prepare for nerf

RedSpectrum.1975:

Another way to stay hidden without aoe is to chain CnD off of a wall. should work for everyone if you time it right but i also have some init regen on meh

nerfed – check past patch notes

thing is – remaining perma stealth – you sacrifice alot of possible damage…cant cap. only scout

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

thing is – remaining perma stealth – you sacrifice alot of possible damage…cant cap. only scout

Are you joking? I ALWAYS take 30 in shadow arts to maximize my stealth and seeing a 10K+ back stab is nothing special for me. You just don’t know how to build a thief.

As a player from DB I must say, Thanks for the heads up! I’ll be sure to share this info with the rest of my server

blackgoat.5172:

As a player from DB I must say, Thanks for the heads up! I’ll be sure to share this info with the rest of my server

It should be public knowledge. I’m all for sneaky skilled play but I enjoy it more when I get to fight it. Thief sweeping should be done imo.

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

found a way to do it solo – trade secret

Holy necro batman!

honestly I don’t have a problem with perma stealth while out of combat. My issue comes from one person evading a 5 man search team with this while dealing all kinds of damage. Its a free escape from any chase and incredibly hard to lock down if you don’t have every form of AoE possible.

I recently had to spend 10+ minutes chasing down a solo thief in my tower because he kept blinking all over the place through stuns/roots/ etc. Quite annoying when you’re stuck choosing between a wild goose chase and risking losing a tower from the inside.

Professor Sensei.2941:

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

thing is – remaining perma stealth – you sacrifice alot of possible damage…cant cap. only scout

Are you joking? I ALWAYS take 30 in shadow arts to maximize my stealth and seeing a 10K+ back stab is nothing special for me. You just don’t know how to build a thief.

How? I have 30 Crit Strikes and 30 Shadow and 10 Acro but never see more then 6-7K BS crits unless I built a bunch of might on a PvE boss. Share with a fellow Toaster!

PearlGore.7419:

Professor Sensei.2941:

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

thing is – remaining perma stealth – you sacrifice alot of possible damage…cant cap. only scout

Are you joking? I ALWAYS take 30 in shadow arts to maximize my stealth and seeing a 10K+ back stab is nothing special for me. You just don’t know how to build a thief.

How? I have 30 Crit Strikes and 30 Shadow and 10 Acro but never see more then 6-7K BS crits unless I built a bunch of might on a PvE boss. Share with a fellow Toaster!

Full zerk gear, 10/30/30/0/0 setup. Skill combo is Basilisk Venom→ Assassin signet→Cast Cloak And Dagger →Steal(mug) →Land Cloak And Dagger →Back Stab →Finish with some auto attacks.

I’ll try it out I dont use assasin signet much. Will see what I can get!

PearlGore.7419:

I’ll try it out I dont use assasin signet much. Will see what I can get!

Be sure to take signets of power from the crit line too. You will have 7 stacks by the time you get to your back stab. If you’re feeling really frisky you can also use venomous might to take your stacks up to 9. If your REALLY frisky you can remove shadow refuge and go ahead and throw in a extra venom on your utility bar jacking those stacks up to 11 or a extra signet making it 14 stacks. Finally if your REALLY REALLY REALLY frisky you can take spider venom as your “extra” venom then throw on leeching venoms for the extra kittens and giggles.

30 30 0 0 10 full zerk gear full zerk accs sigent of malice isgnet of shadows assassins signet infiltrators signet basilisk venomd 25 stacks of bloodlust….. curry south 10% crit 100 prec and master maint oil…… make sure you ahve 5 might for 5 secs per signet….

basilisk vendom —-—signet of malic——-signet of shadows —--asssassins signet —--signet of agility…..cnd——steal quick—-finish CND—— backstab—— oh he deeeeeeeeeeaaaaaad. ive gotten 20k backstabs on lvl 80 warriors (frenzy used so basically 14k normal bs) and 28k steals (same thing have pics to prove :P)

is it powerful ? yes…..! will you die right after if he has a friend with him? yes!

^ Exactly why I don’t do that but i’ve kittened around with it for kittens and giggles

Professor Sensei.2941:

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

thing is – remaining perma stealth – you sacrifice alot of possible damage…cant cap. only scout

Are you joking? I ALWAYS take 30 in shadow arts to maximize my stealth and seeing a 10K+ back stab is nothing special for me. You just don’t know how to build a thief.

you dont understand …READ my post = YOU DONT DO ENOUGH DAMAGE IN STEALTH…. at most, you can caltrops/choking gas someone. still not enough damage…
if you deal damage in stealth, you break stealth…clearly you dont know thieves OR how to read.

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

Professor Sensei.2941:

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

thing is – remaining perma stealth – you sacrifice alot of possible damage…cant cap. only scout

Are you joking? I ALWAYS take 30 in shadow arts to maximize my stealth and seeing a 10K+ back stab is nothing special for me. You just don’t know how to build a thief.

you dont understand …READ my post = YOU DONT DO ENOUGH DAMAGE IN STEALTH…. at most, you can caltrops/choking gas someone. still not enough damage…
if you deal damage in stealth, you break stealth…clearly you dont know thieves OR how to read.

Woah man calm down. Just assumed you considered that nobody stays in perma stealth unless they are scouting a zerg. lolololololol

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

Professor Sensei.2941:

Lithril Ashwalker.6230:

thing is – remaining perma stealth – you sacrifice alot of possible damage…cant cap. only scout

Are you joking? I ALWAYS take 30 in shadow arts to maximize my stealth and seeing a 10K+ back stab is nothing special for me. You just don’t know how to build a thief.

you dont understand …READ my post = YOU DONT DO ENOUGH DAMAGE IN STEALTH…. at most, you can caltrops/choking gas someone. still not enough damage…
if you deal damage in stealth, you break stealth…clearly you dont know thieves OR how to read.

lol. UMAD? Your post is still pointless, cuz either way you are wrong, OR stating the obvious. AND can’t WRITE your thoughts clearly enough for others to understand.

I learned some cool tricks today though, gonna try to put some to the test with my Mesmer buddy later to try to sneak cap a tower.

Why do you keep reviving this thread…?

Hey,
would you mind sharing your thief build used in these tactics? http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/ gw2skills is a good site that I use for making builds. Nice job, props for coming up with new tactics like this