Guild Wars 2

How viable do you guys think this idea is for permastealth with D/P?

Relevant Dec 10 Changes:

• init regen is 1 init per second
• infusion of shadow only gives 2 init if you arent already stealthed

SetUp
0/30/25/0/15
need 15 in Trickery for 15 total initiative to be able to pull off BP-HSx4
Patience for 1 init every 3 seconds
Bring Infiltrators Signet for 1 init every 10 seconds

• HSx4 = 12 initiative, BP = 6 initative. Bp-Hs combo requires, 18 initiative,.
• Bp lasts 4 seconds, you can recover 3 initiative to be able to land the last heartseeker
• 15(base init)-18(costofBp-Hs) + 3(init regen) = 0 .
• Bp-Hsx4 combo gives 12 seconds of stealth.
• After 12 seconds, 0(initial init) + 12(natural init regen) + 1.2(inf sig) + 4(patience) = 17.2 total initiative.
• That leaves you at .8 short for your next Bp/Hs, but Hide in Shadows(4s stealth) will allow you to permastealth.

To much effort for aomething kinda useless

Lol perma-uselessness build.

If anet would have wanted perma stealth in this game, they would have lefts us with perma stealth accessible via single button push like in many other games. BP+3-4x hs while maintaining initiative was not intended, clearly was a mistake in how infusion of shadow works, that made that possible.

patiance is “1 ini every 10 seconds”
and i dont think ive seen patiance being buffed to " 1 ini every 3 seconds"?

i tried that set up with the 1 ini every 10 seconds and the pre 10th patch of base ini regen and i can still get about 4- 5 HS in total before i run out of ini completely and drop out of stealth..

we have yet to try out different ways of "reviving " perma stealth after the patch…but even if we did a net has decided there will be no such thing as perma stealth as it is at the moment.

dp perma stealth will still be possible anet is just making it harder to do so(which is a good thing).

Vukorep.3081:

patiance is “1 ini every 10 seconds”
and i dont think ive seen patiance being buffed to " 1 ini every 3 seconds"?

i tried that set up with the 1 ini every 10 seconds and the pre 10th patch of base ini regen and i can still get about 4- 5 HS in total before i run out of ini completely and drop out of stealth..

we have yet to try out different ways of "reviving " perma stealth after the patch…but even if we did a net has decided there will be no such thing as perma stealth as it is at the moment.

Or just drop it and learn to play D/P as intended ? minimal stealth with some nice control. X/D was made to be king of stealth, no D/P. If you black powder bunnies don’t understand reasoning behind this when comparing X/D to D/P, you are hopeless.

I like changes to permastealth(i run d/p but usually don’t stack stealth) but those kittenes nerfed initiative gain traits. kittening kittens.

I startet playing a D/P thief in WvW a few weeks ago as a one/two man roaming build and the nerf to infusion of shadow has zero impact on my gameplay whatsoever. Zero.

Am I doing this wrong?

This build is going to grave. It is well deserved.

@up
These changes will come in 1 month.

Dagins.5163:

This build is going to grave. It is well deserved.

@up
These changes will come in 1 month.

Are you refering to my post? Because I know that this patch is far away and I don’t see how my build suffers. THe only thing you can’t do anymore is to HS multiple times in your smokefield, and thats nothing more but a gimmick – not the core of D/P.

You can’t actually Heartseeker through a single Black Powder 4 times. It just doesn’t last that long.

I do think perma-stealthing will become a bit more difficult, albeit not impossible. But to be honest, Black Powder is what makes Dagger/Pistol so effective, and that’s getting easier to spam. I don’t actually “perma-stealth” that often when using Dagger/Pistol.

So really I don’t see it as a huge nerf. In fact you could almost stand in Black Powder permanently just by relying on passive Initiative regeneration.

Dee Jay.2460:

You can’t actually Heartseeker through a single Black Powder 4 times. It just doesn’t last that long.

Lol yes you can. You twist the camera to bug the hs animation. If you hs towards a wall you can actually chain it 5 times.

Vukorep.3081:

patiance is “1 ini every 10 seconds”
and i dont think ive seen patiance being buffed to " 1 ini every 3 seconds"?

I believe patience has always been 1 init every 3 seconds after initial 3 seconds, and that the current tool tip is wrong. When i was testing patience, this was how it was working for me.

I agree with you guys that it is a good thing to get rid of or it make harder to permastealth, I was just trying to think of a way that required minimal sacrifices to the current WvW D/P spec. You could obviously permastealth if you brought blinding powder/ shadowsrefuge/ smokescreen/ traited for init.