Guild Wars 2

today when i open the forums i saw at least 10 diferent topics with tons of replays regarding how OP is the thief, so i decided to equip my guardian to see how i deal with them. I spent 2500 badges and arround 30 gold. Result was – 20.000 HP -3300 armor .
Went in wvw to search for some thieves but 50 enemy’s zerg was in front on my supply camp. in 20 minutes i made 140 kills with an single dead .Stand constantly in front of enemy zerg , Block 3 attacks with focus / use shield buble – knockback 10 enemy’s at once, put wall of reflection and sanctuary on the ground, and smite at random locations was all i did.
So why should i stay on thief and make 1 -2 random kills in 10 minutes ? when i can literaly walk intro 30 + enemy’s zerg, stay there for 10 seconds then walk away

I traded my Thief in for a guardian 150 hours ago.
I was able to fight a Thief the other day while reviving two team mates.. I left my team mates at 95% before I killed the Thief.. just because I didn’t want to share the kill.

Becouse this game pvp is not about which class can make most kills in X time ?

What are you, an accountant? I play my thief because its fun, if “fun” for you means watching your kill counter tick then play the guardian. Personally what you described as your guardian playstyle sounds boring as kitten. You are not even doing it to farm badges since you spent 2500.

well , meet few thieves already i had fun vs them ^^
the 10k backstab is an myth they barely hit 5000 rarely

Rayya.2591:

well , meet few thieves already i had fun vs them ^^
the 10k backstab is an myth they barely hit 5000 rarely

Maybe I should also start bringing my Guardian to WvW as well, as I’m getting sick and tired of my Ranger getting killed all the time by a perma-invis Thief. It’s almost as if I’m a Thief-magnet when playing a Ranger.

There is no perma invisibility. After opening on you ( if he opens ofc) he cant use any stealth ability at all for about 3 seconds. And he can get close to perma invisibility by perfectly timing CnD, but he must be traited for that, meaning he loses his damage potential. None of glass cannons ( 90 % of thiefs ) use those traits.

Currently have a Thief, Guardian and Elementalist. Thief is a nice class if you wish to play “Pick on the weakest link” or “Suprise! You just got served!” as how i say it. However if you want action to the point that you want a head-to-head battle then other classes such as a Guardian or a D/D Elementalist makes things more interesting.

Not saying Thief is stuck to such gameplay but each to his own and each class has its own unique way as to how one can enjoy killing someone may it be WvW or sPVP.

Karolis.4261:

There is no perma invisibility.

Not true. There’s no perma-stealth while also doing damage. Perma-stealth outside of attacking people is attainable, if not very useful.

Aveneo.2068:

Rayya.2591:

well , meet few thieves already i had fun vs them ^^
the 10k backstab is an myth they barely hit 5000 rarely

Maybe I should also start bringing my Guardian to WvW as well, as I’m getting sick and tired of my Ranger getting killed all the time by a perma-invis Thief. It’s almost as if I’m a Thief-magnet when playing a Ranger.

Well , the ranger is free kill for thief, on the other hand guardians and warriors got 90% chance to win 1 vs 1 and 50% chance to escape vs 2 thieves

Tulisin.6945:

Karolis.4261:

There is no perma invisibility.

Not true. There’s no perma-stealth while also doing damage. Perma-stealth outside of attacking people is attainable, if not very useful.

As I said, he can time his CnD, use all stealth utilities and infusion,meld with shadows, but he will not be doing damage while doing it, juts keeping himself alive. And if someone decides to troll u by landing perfect CnD on you to keep himself stealthed and you ( not refering to you, but to anyone ) can not counter that by spaming some meele auto attacks or landing some aoe, then theres no hope for such a player lol. As someone somehwere said – If hes invisible, doesnt mean he aint there, so can still slap him by predicting his moves. IF hes a glass cannon 1 and 2 skill masher, you simply count to 3 you know when he will attack …

The fact is that dieing for someone who was in stealth is frustrating.

Guardian is way more powerful than thief, but there is no complain about it.

Before anything else, it is “quit” not “quited”. I’m not normally a grammar nazi (at all!!!), but this one was just too much.

So back on subject, if you enjoy playing thief you should just keep doing it. WvW isn’t won by one player so if your playstyle is more of a roamer while inbetween zergs then you should stick to it. You clearly enjoyed that if you have reached 14,000 kills…

From the way you phrase it, it almost sounds like you are either asking fora guardian nerf or just want to play an OP class and sadly thief isn’t the only top dog anymore.

So my advice to you is simple: if you love thief you won’t mind the occasional defeat; if you want simply to play to win, then by all means switch to guardian but don’t expect our approval one way or another because we do not care.

PS. I also have a thief so it’s not me venting hate at a thief because I think they are OP. I just think you like to feel OP.

Rayya.2591:

Aveneo.2068:

Rayya.2591:

well , meet few thieves already i had fun vs them ^^
the 10k backstab is an myth they barely hit 5000 rarely

Maybe I should also start bringing my Guardian to WvW as well, as I’m getting sick and tired of my Ranger getting killed all the time by a perma-invis Thief. It’s almost as if I’m a Thief-magnet when playing a Ranger.

Well , the ranger is free kill for thief, on the other hand guardians and warriors got 90% chance to win 1 vs 1 and 50% chance to escape vs 2 thieves

Proof please? Why do thieves claim that they can handle warriors just fine?

Groovy.6749:

Before anything else, it is “quit” not “quited”. I’m not normally a grammar nazi (at all!!!), but this one was just too much.

So back on subject, if you enjoy playing thief you should just keep doing it. WvW isn’t won by one player so if your playstyle is more of a roamer while inbetween zergs then you should stick to it. You clearly enjoyed that if you have reached 14,000 kills…

From the way you phrase it, it almost sounds like you are either asking fora guardian nerf or just want to play an OP class and sadly thief isn’t the only top dog anymore.

So my advice to you is simple: if you love thief you won’t mind the occasional defeat; if you want simply to play to win, then by all means switch to guardian but don’t expect our approval one way or another because we do not care.

PS. I also have a thief so it’s not me venting hate at a thief because I think they are OP. I just think you like to feel OP.

thank you for grammar correction. It is clear that you try to prove something with this correction, either that you are more schooled , either that i am wrong, otherwise you would ignored my mistake as the rest of 100 + ppls who read it.
you can drag conclusion, but you are wrong , i am not here to ask for an guardian nerf or thief buff, i just made an topic to share my oppinion regarding complains related to thief. Thieves aren’t the strongest class in this game, but the numerous topic complains related to it, made me abandon the class

How am I wrong when your OP revolves around saying “why should I play thief any longer when guardians get more kills than I do?”.
If that isn’t what you meant, then you should clarify your point.

On the topic of complaints, stealth classes are always going to generate QQ simply because stealth seems hard to counter. It will never end until either (a) stealth classes fully disappear or (b) the player mass gets educated about how to counter us.

You just have to ignore the QQers, you could literally give them a bullet point presentation of how to beat us alongside a demonstration and they would still complain because complaining is easier than learning. It’s the only way to remain sane about it, and to believe ANet is confident enough about its own decision making abilities ( they made a great class, it is up to them to keep it that way).

Why should you continue to play the thief? If you enjoy guardian more then the answer is obvious, you shouldn’t. Play whatever class you’re enjoying the most.

Columba.9730:

Rayya.2591:

Aveneo.2068:

Rayya.2591:

well , meet few thieves already i had fun vs them ^^
the 10k backstab is an myth they barely hit 5000 rarely

Maybe I should also start bringing my Guardian to WvW as well, as I’m getting sick and tired of my Ranger getting killed all the time by a perma-invis Thief. It’s almost as if I’m a Thief-magnet when playing a Ranger.

Well , the ranger is free kill for thief, on the other hand guardians and warriors got 90% chance to win 1 vs 1 and 50% chance to escape vs 2 thieves

Proof please? Why do thieves claim that they can handle warriors just fine?

This is my typical rotation as a p/d thief for a warrior , which 8 out if 10 are always a gs warrior so it makes it even easier for me to pwn, bas venom CnD mug, sneak shot, dancing dagger and whirling axe and they’re down while I just started using whirling axe and my whirling axe finish them while they’re in downed state. So I think I can claim I can handle a warrior just fine

You are correct Guardian is the actual OP class. I play with a guild member who is a guardian, and they are very honest about how op they even think they are. Thieves are very niche and I enjoy they’re fun factor. But I play very carefully based a lot on reactions. Guardians like my guild friend can be very tough.

The guardian class can be built to be absolutely insanely ridiculous.

I’ve only been successful killing that class in a non WvW build when my elite is up.

Heck d/d elementalists drop fast

Rayya.2591:

Well , the ranger most rangers is are free kill(s) for thief

Fixed for ya.
Gl with the guardian btw.

This is a last clip of the night for me. Suicide run. Not the best played either. I screwed up a lot and still manage to stomp people in like 3+v1. Just saying. Well played thief can do some damage to a zerg.

Do you dictate how you play your thief or does your thief dictate how you play it?

I love Guardians, they’re free kills for me. Roll a bunker Elementalist if you want to survive my Thief.

jkctmc.8754:

I love Guardians, they’re free kills for me. Roll a bunker Elementalist if you want to survive my Thief.

For me, it’s more of escaping my thief than surviving

jkctmc.8754:

I love Guardians, they’re free kills for me. Roll a bunker Elementalist if you want to survive my Thief.

Do tell plz

Some guards been giving me trouble lately.

jkctmc.8754:

I love Guardians, they’re free kills for me. Roll a bunker Elementalist if you want to survive my Thief.

i have to admit i got killed yesterday by an thief , i was afk, went to make an coffee
It was you ?

17000 kills WTF? From WvW?

Wow….

I also have both a guard and a thief @ 13.4k kills and yes its pretty absurd how much dmg the guard can deal with.

Guard isn’t fully geared yet but face rolling into a zerg and walking out of it alive is pretty easy. →2.9k attack – 54% crit, 46 crit dmg – 2.9k armor -19k hp.

I don’t think people understand how squishy thieves are. I run a condition build @ my thief and have loads more hp than most builds but a decent aoe or a few smacks from a greatsword still really hurts. But my guardian would just lol at the dmg and keep swinging…

A single burst backstab and or hs spammer doesn’t even bother my guard – hit retal lol for a second, cc then aoe. At most after the stomp I toss one of the bazillion heals and carry on.

It would be really nice if people learned their professions before making all those OP threads. Whats sad is most the people making those threads are usually in zerker gear and or running pve builds in wvw. The last thread I actually read was a warrior with around 2.3-2.4k armor and something like 22k health – eg zerker build… Heck any dps class woulda rolled him.

Groovy.6749:

Before anything else, it is “quit” not “quited”. I’m not normally a grammar nazi (at all!!!), but this one was just too much.

Before becoming a grammar nazi; you need to become a pedant.

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neuro.6594:

It would be really nice if people learned their professions before making all those OP threads. Whats sad is most the people making those threads are usually in zerker gear and or running pve builds in wvw. The last thread I actually read was a warrior with around 2.3-2.4k armor and something like 22k health – eg zerker build… Heck any dps class woulda rolled him.

22k HP means he wasn’t full zerker build

jkctmc.8754:

I love Guardians, they’re free kills for me. Roll a bunker Elementalist if you want to survive my Thief.

I’d love to see that….if that’s not actually just all talk.

Playing a thief and a guardian alt causes me to believe you either happen upon people who have no idea how to play their class or that you are full of it.

Rayya.2591:

today when i open the forums i saw at least 10 diferent topics with tons of replays regarding how OP is the thief, so i decided to equip my guardian to see how i deal with them. I spent 2500 badges and arround 30 gold. Result was – 20.000 HP -3300 armor .
Went in wvw to search for some thieves but 50 enemy’s zerg was in front on my supply camp. in 20 minutes i made 140 kills with an single dead .Stand constantly in front of enemy zerg , Block 3 attacks with focus / use shield buble – knockback 10 enemy’s at once, put wall of reflection and sanctuary on the ground, and smite at random locations was all i did.
So why should i stay on thief and make 1 -2 random kills in 10 minutes ? when i can literaly walk intro 30 + enemy’s zerg, stay there for 10 seconds then walk away

Translation: Please don’t nerf my thief.

grandjudge.4129:

Rayya.2591:

today when i open the forums i saw at least 10 diferent topics with tons of replays regarding how OP is the thief, so i decided to equip my guardian to see how i deal with them. I spent 2500 badges and arround 30 gold. Result was – 20.000 HP -3300 armor .
Went in wvw to search for some thieves but 50 enemy’s zerg was in front on my supply camp. in 20 minutes i made 140 kills with an single dead .Stand constantly in front of enemy zerg , Block 3 attacks with focus / use shield buble – knockback 10 enemy’s at once, put wall of reflection and sanctuary on the ground, and smite at random locations was all i did.
So why should i stay on thief and make 1 -2 random kills in 10 minutes ? when i can literaly walk intro 30 + enemy’s zerg, stay there for 10 seconds then walk away

Translation: Please don’t nerf my thief.

you got me
Now we got 2 options
1. you are an troll
2. i was stupid enough to invest 300 + gold in 1 guardian just to make an troll topic
i pick option 1.
screen is enough for you ? i even put random dyes on it to show you ^^ , you make the calculation , it is worth to invest 300 gold in an troll topic ?

Judas.5432:

jkctmc.8754:

I love Guardians, they’re free kills for me. Roll a bunker Elementalist if you want to survive my Thief.

I’d love to see that….if that’s not actually just all talk.

Playing a thief and a guardian alt causes me to believe you either happen upon people who have no idea how to play their class or that you are full of it.

This is my first post. I never cared to post before but I just had to after reading your statement. As a dagger/dagger ele I can say with confidence that I have never lost a fight to any kind of guardian or a guardian with a friend. You don’t have the tools to beat a good dagger ele. I heal for 2.5k every 10 secs (not counting my double regen, bar skills, elite, or the 200+ I heal with every attack I use) and I put out about 1k dmg every second on high armor targets outside of my burst rotation. I have protection every 8 seconds and I can cleanse conditions as they are put on me for the most part ( as long as I can dodge roll, swap to water, fire, or have water skills available). I have constant vigor so the only real weakness we have is being constantly immobilized which guardians aren’t bringing to the party outside of scepter. The average joe can destroy a guardian with a dagger ele especially after the little healing nerf guardians got last patch.

epicsmooth.7825:

neuro.6594:

It would be really nice if people learned their professions before making all those OP threads. Whats sad is most the people making those threads are usually in zerker gear and or running pve builds in wvw. The last thread I actually read was a warrior with around 2.3-2.4k armor and something like 22k health – eg zerker build… Heck any dps class woulda rolled him.

22k HP means he wasn’t full zerker build

Apparently you’ve never played a warrior. They’re in the highest health pool and can hit 22k hp with an extremely minimal vit increase. And 2.3-2.4k armor rating on a heavy class is a joke.

Most of our “non zerker” warriors are running around with 3k+ attack and anywhere from 28k-32k+ hp. Hell when the orbs were still around several had over 40k hp.

Elthuzar.9478:

I was able to fight a Thief the other day while reviving two team mates.. I left my team mates at 95% before I killed the Thief.. just because I didn’t want to share the kill.

same thief mentality, grats.

When will people realise that player skill and playstyle is the determining factor in how well you do with a profession. YOU may not do well against a zerg, as a thief, but I HAVE done well with my evasion thief. Just because you didn’t get on with it doesn’t mean the thief is broken or weak or whatever. Every player will have a preferred profession, and with that preferred profession they will perform better than they will with other professions. If you find you do better in zergs with your guardian, than you do with your thief, then great, switch to the guardian. But I kill more players in zergs with my thief than I do with MY guardian.

So do we really need a thread about how ‘bad’ the thief is? Just because you cannot get on with it. Other players do get on with them just fine.