Guild Wars 2

Hello All,

I have been maining thief for probably 9ish months now in WvW (not long), and I have noticed something time and time again. What reminded me this time was I was watching one of my streams and noticed something wrong.

From time to time, if I am D/P combo stealthing, I will break out of it while heartseekering into my field. I took a look closely and my most recent one it was near an ambient (chicken) however there was no damage indication (nothing on screen to indicate I hot something for 6 digit damage). I never checked my combat log at the time, however I remember this happening when there was nothing around.

Is there anyone else noticing this or am i batcrap crazy?

HS reveals when it hits anything, including ambients, if you’re already stealthed. Ambient creature damage isn’t displayed in the game for the sake of cutting down on visual clutter (since these can be seven digits).

It also has a hitbox on the dagger for the entire animation, including the non-attack portion of the leap. If someone stands right behind you and jumps while you begin the cast, you’ll actually become revealed from the dagger hitbox passing through them in the initial leap frames when you start jumping since the dagger is brought behind you. If there was anyone near you (including a flying ambient), it could have been this.

Could also just be another stealthed thief denying your stealth. Did you get attacked by one right after?

Were you traited for Pulmonary Impact and interrupted someone beforehand? The delayed PI damage will bring you out if stealth as if you hit them directly a couple seconds later.

^This too.
Without footage idk if anyone can give you a definitive answer but there are a lot of ways this can occur.

There are multiple points in the alpine borderlands where there is an invisible object that “takes damage.” The damage is not shown on your screen, yet you are revealed anyway. I can confirm that this happens when no enemies are around. There are tons of these points, but the only two that I can remember locations of right now are near Vale, one right outside the gate to the right. The other near the road where the edge of the hill connecting SW spawn and SWC starts to turn.

Another thing that will reveal you is dead Dolyaks. Once a Dolyak dies, its body will still be “attackable” for about a minute, even after it is dead and the corpse disappeared. (no damage shown, even if you are not stealthed, will keep you in combat) This invisible corpse will also reveal you if you bound or heartseeker into it from stealth.

You’ll notice you will also get “obstructed” when trying to shoot projectiles past invisible dead Dolyaks as well.

Yes. Like what Turk said, there are countless invisible areas in wvw that will put you in combat despite hitting nothing which will also reveal you as a result. There are a few in the dredge on EB, but also keep in mind: if you’re in an enemy structure or even a camp, the enemy supply depot acts as a strikable object with a very wide radius. If you’re in a fight near one of those things, keep far from it if you can.

To answer all the questions:

1.) No other thief (just capped a camp, saw a druid, stealthed and denied stealth). If the chicken’s damage doesnt show, then that can be the only explanation I can think of.

2.) I traited for pulm impact, but the camp it happened in was flipped about 2 minutes(ish) when this happened

3.) No dead dollys on the ground at this point. The vid on twitch just expired yesterday so next time it happens ill clip it asap.

4.) Invisible areas huh? Maybe I hit one at SEC beside the supplyhut.

Thanks for the ideas guys/gals

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To answer all the questions:

1.) No other thief (just capped a camp, saw a druid, stealthed and denied stealth). If the chicken’s damage doesnt show, then that can be the only explanation I can think of.

2.) I traited for pulm impact, but the camp it happened in was flipped about 2 minutes(ish) when this happened

3.) No dead dollys on the ground at this point. The vid on twitch just expired yesterday so next time it happens ill clip it asap.

4.) Invisible areas huh? Maybe I hit one at SEC beside the supplyhut.

Thanks for the ideas guys/gals

Yes, even if we’re wrong about everything else, those enemy supply huts have a huge hit radius and I guarantee they will reveal you if you’re swinging your weapon anywhere near them.

Yeah the supply pile granting a hit is really useful for offhand dagger builds.