Guild Wars 2

Anyone who use Basilisk Venom frequently tried Runes of Lyssa? If so, any advise on its pros and cons please?

eh……some people like it….but 5 secs basically saves you 33% dmg or 1 block on a hit maybe 2 if ur a bad thief ….and u usually only get 1 hit IN at that time…. sooooooo i personally dont like it on a thief…. but thats me. some pair it with basilisk venom and withdraw but still isnt a game changer. ud save more HP with adventurer runes getting 1 free dodge every 15 secs. hope this helped.

it also cures all conditions….that with all boons (including regen) makes it a good panic button.

but its every 45 secs at best. and unless ur running a pure high damage build which is usualyl suicide…its not worth it. s/d might be able to use it….. but you could get much more wear out of other runes.

Thanks guys for your advice. Any advice on my current build?

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Normally I on Assassin’s Signet to gain 5 mights plus 15% extra damage then go 3 BV Dev Venom 5 2 2 2

ChaosDoom.8459:

Thanks guys for your advice. Any advice on my current build?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAoaVlUmaNXcS5E/5Ex2DfKUiy9wpJtpaFuJA-jkyAYLI81QGJKAEIEqg0Y6rIasVwioxqYwUmER1ujioVLFQEjBA-w

Change the utility to MastMaint Oil; your crit damage is so ridiculously high that you actually gain more from increasing precision than from increasing power. Unless you’re planning on sticking solely to BS, which I’m not sure I’d advise, necessarily. Furthermore, if you’re planning on dealing more overall damage (but less damage on BS), then I would further advice Curry Butternut Squash Soup as opposed to your current Sweet and Spicy choice.

The difference all depends on just how often you’re going to BS. If you BS a ton relative to the other attacks that you do, then I would suggest additional precision because of your extremely high crit damage.

By increasing your precs in this manner, you increase your total damage output by 3.1% (not including BS) more overall than you would if you had added the toughness, but that’s on non-BS’s. On BS’s, you would amplify the damage on your BS’s by 16.25% more if you took the power over the precision. So it depends on what you think you’re going to do more, BS or other attacks. Also, the other utility and food (the oil and the curry) cost less than do your current food and utility, so you might want to consider that as well.

Also, here are the extra gains in your skill-specific coefficients depending on which option you choose:

Power:
BS increases by a factor of .39, increasing from 2.4 to 2.79 (assuming it hits the back).

Precision:
Auto, in its totality, increases by a factor of .0816, from 2.72 to 2.8016.

HS (weak) increases by a factor of .031, from 1 to 1.031.

HS (mid) increases by a factor of .0465 from 1.5 to 1.5465.

HS (strong) increases by .062, from 2 to 2.062.

Shadow Shot increases by .03875, from 1.25 to 1.28875.

Thanks for the feedback. Just one question (I am a new thief), when you combo stealth (Black Powder + HS). Does your HS consider an stealth attack, meaning after executing HS you will be revealed? If so, crit chance will not be important as Hidden Killer ensure you 100% crit chance while stealth.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

ChaosDoom.8459:

Thanks for the feedback. Just one question (I am a new thief), when you combo stealth (Black Powder + HS). Does your HS consider an stealth attack, meaning after executing HS you will be revealed? If so, crit chance will not be important as Hidden Killer ensure you 100% crit chance while stealth.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Here’s how it works.

The combo applies only after the entire animation has finished, meaning that you don’t gain stealth until you deal the HS damage (assuming you deal HS damage). This means that if you’re visible and use HS+BP, then you’re going to go into stealth, assuming that you don’t have revealed. However, if you use this combo and hit something while stealthed, then the Revealed hits you, and the combo tries to apply but fails because you are immune to stealth as the result of Revealed.

Again, it is true that crit chance is not nearly as important as power and crit damage with Hidden Killer, but I would advise that you look more into other options. For example, with your build, you could always ditch the signets traits (which I would advise, they’re pretty kitten bad, particularly in PvP and WvW) and replace them with Side Strike and Practiced Tolerance, then grab Executioner instead of Hidden Killer. The result? Well, your Backstabs will be significantly less powerful on average, that is true. However, all of your other attacks will increase in power because of your very high crit chance and, of course, Executioner, which, with your Crit damage, increases your damage on crits by the equivalent of more than another 50% crit damage, and, of course, the damage on non-crits by 20%. Remember, though, that this is only when your opponent has <50% health (which isn’t actually that difficult to find given that there are so many enemies in WvW, it’s not hard to find one with <50% health on them). So it’s a tradeoff. However, it is also my suggestion.

Personally, I despise crits anyways, so I wouldn’t even run the build. Still, since I’m certain you’re determined to play this build, this might be what I would suggest to you.

But anyways, yes, with HKiller, crit damage and power are more important than crit chance.

Thanks again for your advice. What would you suggest as your build? Mind sharing?

With the Lyssa proc, please remember that there is an unstated cool down of about 50 seconds for the Elite’s proc. While this note was originally part of the Wiki entry, some idiot removed the note. If you’re a venom spec’ed player using Basilisk Venom, you’re only going to get the proc every other time (unless you intentionally wait in between Basilisk uses).

Arganthium.5638:

ChaosDoom.8459:

Thanks for the feedback. Just one question (I am a new thief), when you combo stealth (Black Powder + HS). Does your HS consider an stealth attack, meaning after executing HS you will be revealed? If so, crit chance will not be important as Hidden Killer ensure you 100% crit chance while stealth.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Here’s how it works.

The combo applies only after the entire animation has finished, meaning that you don’t gain stealth until you deal the HS damage (assuming you deal HS damage). This means that if you’re visible and use HS+BP, then you’re going to go into stealth, assuming that you don’t have revealed. However, if you use this combo and hit something while stealthed, then the Revealed hits you, and the combo tries to apply but fails because you are immune to stealth as the result of Revealed.

Correct, that’s the whole premise of D/P backstab combo. People also often wonder why steal doesn’t break stealth. The finisher is applied at the end of the skill.
Explanation from D/P backstab combo:
BP (Stealth field)→HS (You start going up in air, no stealth is yet generated)→Steal (Damage and gapclosing)→HS (Lands on target, generates stealth at the end of the skill after damage is done from HS)→Backstab

As Arganthium said, when you’re already stealthed HS follows the regular rules for breaking stealth by dealing damage and putting the revealed buff on you. If you don’t deal damage then stealth isn’t broken and you can chain the combofinisher.

I feel the runes are pretty strong in pvp. When combined with Thrill and S/D you have many ways of keeping boons on you in any given fight. Removing all conditions, and giving you all Boons for 5 seconds, and you get a random boon every time you heal. It’s a good way to set up some decent burst, disable someone, and give yourself some protection at the same time. I hope the runes don’t get nerfed.