Guild Wars 2

Rune of Strength is a good alternative for Rune of Lyssa but expensive! doesn’t matter it’s free in pvp!

Congratulations on the video. You’ve got some cool plays there. Looks like you understand Thief Acrobatic mechanics pretty well, I’m interested in your playstyle. Looks really smooth. Will definitely try it out later.

So you have copied Sizers build. GZ.

apocom.3172:

So you have copied Sizers build. GZ.

It isnt sizers build

Amonatory played it before it goes meta

apocom.3172:

So you have copied Sizers build. GZ.

“Sizers spec” was played months ago by me and some others when ppl said it was crap in pvp because no 30 in CS. Funny how that turned out huh? Now that crap build is meta haha

apocom.3172:

So you have copied Sizers build. GZ.

I dont even know whos sizer is lol and i play this rune of str. With 3 diff build 2/6/0/6/0 or 2/0/0/6/6 or 2/3/0/3/6 all with power of inertia

OC the winner of the EU tournament of the legends are gaining attention. Same for their specs.

And after a few days of the final the first qq threads about this spec started, a lot of ppl (including me) are trying this spec at the moment, and the first vids about ppl running this spec occur.

So forgive me if I think that the specs popularity is drastically increased, because Sizer runs this spec last weekend.

apocom.3172:

OC the winner of the EU tournament of the legends are gaining attention. Same for their specs.

And after a few days of the final the first qq threads about this spec started, a lot of ppl (including me) are trying this spec at the moment, and the first vids about ppl running this spec occur.

So forgive me if I think that the specs popularity is drastically increased, because Sizer runs this spec last weekend.

i want to see any videos?

Don’t get me wrong, Mate, since it is hotjoin we can’t judge effectiveness of a build correctly. I mean I can go almost any build spec/weaponset on thief into HJ and be effective in my role.
Back to the topic i want to say that 2/0/0/6/6 s/d is a way less “roamer” than classic 2/6/0/0/6, damage is lacking, burst is quite low Try classic trickery build wi s/d with runes of strenght and sigil of strenght – stealing might from engis and warriors is your bread and butter. LS can crit up to 7k on some squishies. Yes, you’re less tanky but you are not supposed to stay on a point fighting warriors and engis, i mean you’re thief huh! Subtlety and planning is your way to play. At least for me. I’m not judging you just giving my 2 cents.
Anyway, 2/0/0/6/6 is a kind of “balanced” build, good for deffing (trolling) a point while you have evades, good for boon stripping, good for staying alive on its own, but the damages unreliable (crit chance even with permanent fury quite average ~50%, don’t forget about 30% crt damage you losing without CS line) so you won’t get that tanky warrior and condi classes will still laugh at your evades with weakness (cut both damage and evades).
In other words I don’t see this build being roamer. But what else purpose thief can fulfil? I want to hear your opinion:)

Roxx.8713:

apocom.3172:

So you have copied Sizers build. GZ.

It isnt sizers build

Amonatory played it before it goes meta

Every build, every where has been played before. Sizer popularized it, so it’s his build.

Coloxeus.3480:

apocom.3172:

OC the winner of the EU tournament of the legends are gaining attention. Same for their specs.

And after a few days of the final the first qq threads about this spec started, a lot of ppl (including me) are trying this spec at the moment, and the first vids about ppl running this spec occur.

So forgive me if I think that the specs popularity is drastically increased, because Sizer runs this spec last weekend.

i want to see any videos?

Your video.

Sry. I know your vids, i am watching them since i play gw2. After the tourney I discussed the build with some ppl and I think it is pushing into the meta right now. So after I saw your video, uploaded after a few days of the tournament, I thought you just copied Sizers build and made a video around it. I dont know if Sizer was the first person running this build, but he made it famous.

apocom.3172:

Coloxeus.3480:

apocom.3172:

OC the winner of the EU tournament of the legends are gaining attention. Same for their specs.

And after a few days of the final the first qq threads about this spec started, a lot of ppl (including me) are trying this spec at the moment, and the first vids about ppl running this spec occur.

So forgive me if I think that the specs popularity is drastically increased, because Sizer runs this spec last weekend.

i want to see any videos?

Your video.

Sry. I know your vids, i am watching them since i play gw2. After the tourney I discussed the build with some ppl and I think it is pushing into the meta right now. So after I saw your video, uploaded after a few days of the tournament, I thought you just copied Sizers build and made a video around it. I dont know if Sizer was the first person running this build, but he made it famous.

oh i think so. . . so this will be the new s/d meta! oh well i smell some nerf *New Power of Inertia Nerf is probably they will add 2 to 3 secs internal cooldown? LOL

FeelsAlright.5860:

Roxx.8713:

apocom.3172:

So you have copied Sizers build. GZ.

It isnt sizers build

Amonatory played it before it goes meta

Every build, every where has been played before. Sizer popularized it, so it’s his build.

I have a friend who has played with these traits/setup for over a year. The only difference is the strength runes post patch. This isnt new, it’s not Amon’s setup, and its not Sizers.

FeelsAlright.5860:

Roxx.8713:

apocom.3172:

So you have copied Sizers build. GZ.

It isnt sizers build

Amonatory played it before it goes meta

Every build, every where has been played before. Sizer popularized it, so it’s his build.

I’ve been playing this spec since last year november i think, so i guess i was playing his spec before he did.

ive watched few NA tournament legends few hours mins ago and every s/d thief runs the same build ! ! !

Yup, nerf incoming to S/D, sorry brah . Nice video tho, on that 1v3 at the begining, stomping dem scrubs all day all night.

a t s e.9614:

Yup, nerf incoming to S/D, sorry brah . Nice video tho, on that 1v3 at the begining, stomping dem scrubs all day all night.

nerf shouldn’t be to S/D which is fine in and of itself.

Nerf should be to Strength Runes which are far too powerful atm, and the change to Ferocity that made the PvP berserker Amulet give 30% crit damage over the prior 20%. (and 20% from Crit Strikes line instead of the prior 30% making spec’ing into CS not so important anymore.)

Coloxeus.3480:

apocom.3172:

So you have copied Sizers build. GZ.

I dont even know whos sizer is lol and i play this rune of str. With 3 diff build 2/6/0/6/0 or 2/0/0/6/6 or 2/3/0/3/6 all with power of inertia

Sizer = best thief.
(Member of tcg, winner of tol..)

there are so much brainless copies of “the” build of sizer … there is more potential in the rune combination with critical strikes, trickery and acrobatic
I believe every noobthief would jump from a bridge, if there were a “Descent of Shadows” build ….. at last your latence will made my day

Skrill.6170:

Coloxeus.3480:

apocom.3172:

So you have copied Sizers build. GZ.

I dont even know whos sizer is lol and i play this rune of str. With 3 diff build 2/6/0/6/0 or 2/0/0/6/6 or 2/3/0/3/6 all with power of inertia

Sizer = best thief.
(Member of tcg, winner of tol..)

I’m 100% certain that doesn’t equate to being the best thief.

I think Sizer is the best thief too. I really like watching him playing.

Even Caed is running this build now. I never thought he will put his d/p aside.

EDIT: He changed back to d/p in the 2nd round vs APEX.

And whad do you think about this s/d build for wvw roaming? I put the traveler for the landspeed and playing with stealth (because in wvw stealthless builds are somewhat crappy).

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsYVl0Mp0pdPx8J8PNxOhsZhAcf6SpOzNE-TlCBABXq+jg7P0lSsGOCAQ8AAOTJIWKPA4EAkn+gNOEAkBoaLA-w

People talking about playing this build months ago aren’t grasping the changes of the most recent patch. Going 30 points into CS only gives 20% crit damage rather than 30, ferocity runes increased dps substantially, and the sigil change made burst better with fire/air combo. THOSE changes are what made this build viable. Before the patch this was a low damage troll build. Post patch it’s a medium damage build that wades through the AOE spam of this meta a bit better than our other builds.

Rudy.6184:

And whad do you think about this s/d build for wvw roaming? I put the traveler for the landspeed and playing with stealth (because in wvw stealthless builds are somewhat crappy).

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fZAQNAsYVl0Mp0pdPx8J8PNxOhsZhAcf6SpOzNE-TlCBABXq+jg7P0lSsGOCAQ8AAOTJIWKPA4EAkn+gNOEAkBoaLA-w

imho Expeditious Dodger coupled with Thrill of the Crime is all swiftness you’ll ever need.

dDuff.3860:

Don’t get me wrong, Mate, since it is hotjoin we can’t judge effectiveness of a build correctly. I mean I can go almost any build spec/weaponset on thief into HJ and be effective in my role.
Back to the topic i want to say that 2/0/0/6/6 s/d is a way less “roamer” than classic 2/6/0/0/6, damage is lacking, burst is quite low Try classic trickery build wi s/d with runes of strenght and sigil of strenght – stealing might from engis and warriors is your bread and butter. LS can crit up to 7k on some squishies. Yes, you’re less tanky but you are not supposed to stay on a point fighting warriors and engis, i mean you’re thief huh! Subtlety and planning is your way to play. At least for me. I’m not judging you just giving my 2 cents.
Anyway, 2/0/0/6/6 is a kind of “balanced” build, good for deffing (trolling) a point while you have evades, good for boon stripping, good for staying alive on its own, but the damages unreliable (crit chance even with permanent fury quite average ~50%, don’t forget about 30% crt damage you losing without CS line) so you won’t get that tanky warrior and condi classes will still laugh at your evades with weakness (cut both damage and evades).
In other words I don’t see this build being roamer. But what else purpose thief can fulfil? I want to hear your opinion:)

I’m currently using 2/0/0/6/6 for WvW roaming with Superior Rune of the Pack, which is very fast and I don’t find the lack of Critical Strikes all that damaging to be honest.

If you’re using might on dodge food + Strength runes, one can keep at least 5-10 stacks of might permanently which is something Critical Strikes frankly doesn’t give if you’re going for 2/6/0/0/6. While the bonus to DPS is nice due to Executioner and more crit/crit damage, you’re also missing out on perma-swiftness, an extra dodge, condition cleanses, a more reliable 10% damage increase, and a sustained heal trait.

S/D was never meant to be bursty, so instead of trying to match DPS with Backstab, one might as well try to bring the best out of a sustained build.

But. Anyone seen my build? You give me tips while I dont go 6 in cs or I give none point in trickery or even I’m not talking about in combat speed, just wandering around and taking camps is easier when having passive movement speed. Also I told about SA 6 in build with sword. Builds like 2/0/0/6/6 are nice, but only in pvp or 1v1 situations. The core of roaming build is not always 1v1 situations, but taking camps and dealing with more opponents, where stealth is necessary. Right now im not using much thief, stick with ele with v good camp clear time 1vx situations and mobility. Also I dont like dagger mainhand for thief, cause its boring and skilless. Lastly seen 2/0/6/0/6 build and looked solid. Maybe I’ll try it out (for me that trickery is kinda bad with stat it gives, and too focused around acrobatics). Ps. I didnt want to make another thread cause I just was asking if shadow arts is avalible with sword builds.

Personally i prefer 0 6 0 6 2.

Besides the decision to take mug or thrill of the crime, I find that those 6 points in CS are way better than the same points in trickery.

I didn’t do the proper math, but I can eyeball a +50% damage, which is huge.

Skile.1384:

Personally i prefer 0 6 0 6 2.

Besides the decision to take mug or thrill of the crime, I find that those 6 points in CS are way better than the same points in trickery.

I didn’t do the proper math, but I can eyeball a +50% damage, which is huge.

ya i thinking that too! cuz the larcenous 5k ish damage @3:18 of this video is i believe im using 2/6/0/6/0 there

apocom.3172:

I think Sizer is the best thief too. I really like watching him playing.

Even Caed is running this build now. I never thought he will put his d/p aside.

EDIT: He changed back to d/p in the 2nd round vs APEX.

First :

It isn’t Sizer’s build, it’s an old build which few thieves knew and it was barely used.

Second :

Caed wasn’t using 2/0/0/6/6 s/d, he just switched d/p for s/d, he has said he won’t be an acrobatic thief.

Third : Nice video OP.

dDuff.3860:

Try classic trickery build wi s/d with runes of strenght and sigil of strenght – stealing might from engis and warriors is your bread and butter. LS can crit up to 7k on some squishies. Yes, you’re less tanky but you are not supposed to stay on a point fighting warriors and engis, i mean you’re thief huh! Subtlety and planning is your way to play. At least for me. I’m not judging you just giving my 2 cents.

Standard Trickery? 5/6/0/0/3? What traits would you use? I tried this with S/D and it didn’t come up with anything good

Lamuness.3570:

dDuff.3860:

Try classic trickery build wi s/d with runes of strenght and sigil of strenght – stealing might from engis and warriors is your bread and butter. LS can crit up to 7k on some squishies. Yes, you’re less tanky but you are not supposed to stay on a point fighting warriors and engis, i mean you’re thief huh! Subtlety and planning is your way to play. At least for me. I’m not judging you just giving my 2 cents.

Standard Trickery? 5/6/0/0/3? What traits would you use? I tried this with S/D and it didn’t come up with anything good

The ‘classic’ trickery build is 2/6/0/0/6.

Nope classic is 2/6/0/6/0

Oh crap. Wtf was I thinking, of course it was 2/6/0/0/6. Sorry!

This game has got so lame, i mean the 2-0-0-6-6 build is sound but that really shows you where this game is going. The class that is supposed to be about insane burst damage now has to go into the acrobatics trait line rather than the critical strikes traitline. Even thieves are on their way to becoming partial bunkers along with the other 4 metas in the group. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo BORING to play as and against. My team has pretty much decided to stop playing this game and look for another one as when we hit around the rank 300 mark we hit this constant bunker meta.

I highly recommend sticking to the D/P 2-6-0-0-6 build its way more fun.

Sheppy.9306:

This game has got so lame, i mean the 2-0-0-6-6 build is sound but that really shows you where this game is going. The class that is supposed to be about insane burst damage now has to go into the acrobatics trait line rather than the critical strikes traitline. Even thieves are on their way to becoming partial bunkers along with the other 4 metas in the group. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo BORING to play as and against. My team has pretty much decided to stop playing this game and look for another one as when we hit around the rank 300 mark we hit this constant bunker meta.

I highly recommend sticking to the D/P 2-6-0-0-6 build its way more fun.

i agree burst is more fun but in some situation D/P can’t or hard to compete against other condi bunker like decap engies in high tier tpvp

Coloxeus.3480:

Sheppy.9306:

This game has got so lame, i mean the 2-0-0-6-6 build is sound but that really shows you where this game is going. The class that is supposed to be about insane burst damage now has to go into the acrobatics trait line rather than the critical strikes traitline. Even thieves are on their way to becoming partial bunkers along with the other 4 metas in the group. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo BORING to play as and against. My team has pretty much decided to stop playing this game and look for another one as when we hit around the rank 300 mark we hit this constant bunker meta.

I highly recommend sticking to the D/P 2-6-0-0-6 build its way more fun.

i agree burst is more fun but in some situation D/P can’t or hard to compete against other condi bunker like decap engies in high tier tpvp

Yeah guys, I’m getting tired of s/d. That build is still at a disadvantage against warriors and other thieves and that drives me crazy. D/P really doesn’t feel equipped to handle this meta either. Too much cleave in team fights to ever switch from shortbow and you’ll still lose several 1v1’s on side points anyways.

I’ve always hated s/p but it’s actually fun using a build that everyone dropped even though it’s just as effective. Sure pistolwhip costs just a little bit more but the sigil/rune change makes up for it imo. It’s still extremely easy and I feel dirty even using it but sometimes I want to use an easy mode build like everyone else in this game.

I think we’re lucky that we have several different weaponsets/playstyles that are viable. D/P just needs a slight buff to get it back to even with the rest of the meta sets.

And finally, I realize this has just about nothing to do with the OP :P

BTW, Coloxeus do you spend much time in spvp now days? I’ve only seen you a few times when I’ve been playing.

Nice build, cool video. Have been running strength runes in a 5/6/0/0/3 build with similar success, the might stacks from signet use I’ve found to be quite alot more potent I still don’t feel like the extra utility gained from black powder and headshot is worth losing for the evade on SD3.

Haven’t bothered watching the tourney but have played since Beta, though the common “copied build” claim usually comes up again and again I find it a little funny that so many assume these builds are hard to come up with.

Hype.8032:

BTW, Coloxeus do you spend much time in spvp now days? I’ve only seen you a few times when I’ve been playing.

yea i always playing after i got home from work my usual playing time starts between 8:am – 10:am server time and i dont do pve and WvW anymore just spvp tpvp

Can I ask you which of the 3 builds posted do you prefer?

Juston.6817:

Nope classic is 2/6/0/6/0

He clearly asked for the ‘classic’ trickery spec. Sorry.

Can any of you guys point me to some recent actual matches played by an s/d thief pov. Some respected thieves possibly, amon, magic toker, I think coloxeus knows s/d quite well. There are plenty others but havent faced them, its not necessarily the build I am having trouble with, its the decision making, sometimes I feel like im wasting my time, or some classes are just impossible to kill in a reasonable time frame. I just want to see how a good player moves around the map or makes effecient use of their skill set.

While evading everything is cool I sometimes feel like in some particular situations the fight would have been over in seconds if I had just bursted him d/p style.

Magnito.6187:

Can I ask you which of the 3 builds posted do you prefer?

i prefer

2/0/0/6/6 evasive more survivability but weaker and lesser crit chance % and 3k ish – 3.8k ish larcenous strike dmg to medium 1,980 armor (sometimes can go up to 4.2k when u have like 15 stacks of might)

Post some matches I wanna study thieves in spvp, their role the reasons for doing their actions etc etc. While the combat is exciting to me thats the easier part.