Guild Wars 2

CLOSED THREAD. Got what I needed.

Balance issue, I’m up to par with professional FPS gamers. Please take seriously.

Last Refuge: First trait in shadow arts that is NOT OPTIONAL. If you have a single thing in shadow arts, you have this. At 25% health you drop blinding powder.
Auto attack:No option to turn auto attack completely off.

SCENARIO:
While in structured PVP, a place of balance and skill, a celestial thief is fighting a berzerk mesmer. Thief is at 70% health and the mesmer decides to burst, seeing the burst coming the thief smartly decides to cloak and dagger wanting to keep as much of that 70% as possible. “Last Refuge” decides to pop itself with no time for any human to cancel the cloak/dagger. To no fault of your own, having made the most logical decision at the time, you are stuck out of stealth for 4 seconds and below 25% health, you dodge 3 times and teleport away to give some breathing room for a few moments to let an important cooldown finish up. You steal in, having every buff possible for steal, including gaining stealth on steal. Your pistol auto attack broke stealth when you never hit to do anything other than steal, you are now dead on the ground. Never being able to activate stealth all on the internal workings of thief screwing up in ways that are not intended. IF THIS IS INTENDED…. PLEASE, DO TELL. Those were all very rational split second decisions.

Discuss. Does this need fixed? Let us know! Even with all of this this… if you are still going to try and knock it, just think… Is it really so wrong of me to want to turn off auto attacking completely? Is it really so wrong of me to want a trait completely turned off even if nothing took it’s place? ANSWER THAT. <.< This needs fixed.

Once again its an l2p issue. Even if you are revealed you can still survive. Not being invisible doesn’t mean death. Also did you just say you triple dodge while you play? Typycal random dodger QQing about a trait being broken .

glock.6590:

Once again its an l2p issue. Even if you are revealed you can still survive. Not being invisible doesn’t mean death. Also did you just say you triple dodge while you play? Typycal random dodger QQing about a trait being broken .

Don’t bother feeding the local troll. Just pat him on the head and smile.

I’m not a troll , im being very serious about what I say. No offense but it is a player skill issue. There’s plenty of good thieves that never die because of that trait . And most complains come from full SA WvW thieves which doesn’t surprise me if they die to this trait.

It’s a trait that is supposed to help keep you alive that in certain situations can leave you in a tough spot. Older/more skilled players know enough to work around it by now. The question is should they have to be doing so in the first place?

I wanted to point out as well that the complaints mostly do come from WvW thieves but consider that in WvW #1 The damage is higher #2 There are possibly more that 5 people hitting you at a time. Just makes the prevalence of getting spiked down to 25% that more common than in PvP settings.

Kadin.2356:

It’s a trait that is supposed to help keep you alive that in certain situations can leave you in a tough spot. Older/more skilled players know enough to work around it by now. The question is should they have to be doing so in the first place?

The problem with Last refuge is only L2P, I mean as a guard player, it’s totally my fault Virtue of Justice active sets me on fire occasionaly and kills me, if I was gud, I’d L2P around it. Right?

/s

this topic is kinda relevant now that blinding powder no longer interrupts you actions… does that mean last refuge just got even more deadly? >.>

Im norhing close to being a pro theif. I dont usually have problems with this trait, ori dont notice that i do. However i do realise the potential harm it can cause as the skill wont interrupt anymore. Needs fixing somehow.

None of you guys noticed the OP said “No option to turn auto attack off?” Sounds like a l2p issue to me. Control – right click auto attack skill, there you go.

glock.6590:

Once again its an l2p issue. Even if you are revealed you can still survive. Not being invisible doesn’t mean death. Also did you just say you triple dodge while you play? Typycal random dodger QQing about a trait being broken .

You did not read the entire post. That was not L2P. Duh it doesn’t. 0/0/0/3/0 Lets you dodge 3 times without choice so that was a MAJOR unrealistic assumption. Basically every sentence you made was just… You’re a joke.

Kadin.2356:

Don’t bother feeding the local troll. Just pat him on the head and smile.

I like to play, for example I already showed him he was irrelevant, whether or not he can comprehend that is another story.(BRING ON THE FLAME!)

glock.6590:

I’m not a troll , im being very serious about what I say. No offense but it is a player skill issue. There’s plenty of good thieves that never die because of that trait . And most complains come from full SA WvW thieves which doesn’t surprise me if they die to this trait.

“Which doesn’t surprise me if they die to this trait.” Intended by the developers? HAHA…

Jayden Ennok.3687:

The problem with Last refuge is only L2P, I mean as a guard player, it’s totally my fault Virtue of Justice active sets me on fire occasionaly and kills me, if I was gud, I’d L2P around it. Right?

No kitten you’re not a thief. Specially if you compare virtue of justice to what I’m talking about. You also did not read the entire post. You have no idea what I’m talking about. That was not L2P.

BrunoBRS.5178:

this topic is kinda relevant now that blinding powder no longer interrupts you actions… does that mean last refuge just got even more deadly? >.>

You have no idea what we are talking about for you to think this update fixed it. The update just made it more likely as a matter of fact.

akaCryptic.2389:

Im norhing close to being a pro theif. I dont usually have problems with this trait, ori dont notice that i do. However i do realise the potential harm it can cause as the skill wont interrupt anymore. Needs fixing somehow.

It’s an EXTREMELY rare occurance because it requires very unique situational circumstance. You also don’t comprehend it either if you think this update fixed it. I’m not trying to be rude but… You’re not helping. Wasted space. Confusing people. So on.

Kadin.2356:

It’s a trait that is supposed to help keep you alive that in certain situations can leave you in a tough spot. Older/more skilled players know enough to work around it by now. The question is should they have to be doing so in the first place?

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. Finally someone points out the obvious that no one else here is seeing. I shouldn’t have to be at 70% health, see a burst, go to save myself only to be killed by something that was suppose to help, but did the opposite. Could not have been predicted or judge considering the circumstance. I was at 70% health in celestial VS 1 player. I didn’t know how bursty he was or how much he would do. What am I suppose to be psycic? Am I suppose to never cloak and dagger if i’m at 70% or lower? Give me a break. Yes I could have not chose cloak and dagger but why blow a utility when I still had the initiative and a clone in my face. This situation is a joke and being argued with for it is a joke. LOL. Thank you.

Kadin.2356:

I wanted to point out as well that the complaints mostly do come from WvW thieves but consider that in WvW #1 The damage is higher #2 There are possibly more that 5 people hitting you at a time. Just makes the prevalence of getting spiked down to 25% that more common than in PvP settings.

Thank you, glad someone else can correct those who didn’t know the obvious.

Lettuce.2945:

None of you guys noticed the OP said “No option to turn auto attack off?” Sounds like a l2p issue to me. Control – right click auto attack skill, there you go.

WAIT A MINUTE… There are no options for it ingame… thus no access to even knowing about the key code unless someone outside of the game find out about it… is willing to tell people… happens to meet you… and is happening to whitness your need for that specific piece of knowledge. TOTALLY. Totally L2P. Bro, dude, fail epic… so on. People should be able to play to L2P. Not know random crap that was found outside of the game or told by another. Not L2P but thanks because you were useful to me. Kitten.

Daunt.8239:

WAIT A MINUTE… There are no options for it ingame… thus no access to even knowing about the key code unless someone outside of the game find out about it… is willing to tell people… happens to meet you… and is happening to whitness your need for that specific piece of knowledge. TOTALLY. Totally L2P. Bro, dude, fail epic… so on. People should be able to play to L2P. Not know random crap that was found outside of the game or told by another. Not L2P but thanks because you were useful to me. Kitten.

Nope. It’s in the game. You can read it in the tooltip.

The last line says;
“CTRL + Mouse 2: Enable (Disable) auto-attack”

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Nope. It’s in the game. You can read it in the tooltip.

The last line says;
“CTRL + Mouse 2: Enable (Disable) auto-attack”

top kek

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People have being complaining abou Last Refuge since beta.
It never changed.

Think it as a Thief nerf for SA users.

Best way to deal with it is simple stop attacking when you reach around 40% life, wait for it to trigger, heal up and get back to the fight.

Last refuge saved me many times already, but it kills you as many

Hehe,cant even count times i get revealed instead of stealth when that nasty trait poped during CnD :-).Also i think this has been mentioned quite a lot in the past,so far no change…

They just need to remove/replace this trait, it’s causing a huge controversy. I run 2 in SA to get the necessary condi clear needed in WvW Roaming, and it is horrible when I have to stop attacking around 35% hp just so I don’t get revealed, and when I stop attacking even that can get me killed, considering my build relies on aggression. There’s not much winning with this trait.

Daunt.8239:

Never being able to activate stealth all on the internal workings of thief screwing up in ways that are not intended. IF THIS IS INTENDED…. PLEASE, DO TELL. Those were all very rational split second decisions.

The fact that they’ve never addressed this for the last 2yrs, regardless of the endless frustration about this trait, tells us that is it intended.

However, depending on your build, this really not a big deal. Let me explain.

If you are building a glass cannon and relies on stealth for survivability, this trait rarely triggers. Only because you’ll have such a low health pool that you’re more than likely to die than for this trait to trigger. With a base 10k health, this will trigger when you drop at 2.5k, which is a sure thing that you would die anyway.

Now if you are building a little tanky, say having 20k health, then this could be problematic since it will trigger at 5k health, which is still high enough that you might decide to stay and fight.

Where does the L2P comes into play?

It’s fairly obvious. You need to learn to build your Thief better. You need to ask yourself what would be an acceptable health threshold for you where LS would be acceptable. As for me, I like it to trigger around 3k – 3.5k so I’ll build my Thief to have a max health between 12k – 14k.

In addition, you need to be more tactical instead of an all out brawler/berserker playstyle. When you take a risk, you need to take into consideration how much of your health you’re willing to risk. If you choose all of it, then LS triggering shouldn’t matter since you’re in for a suicide run. But if you choose 50%, then you need to disengage at 50% so even if LS triggers, you’re no longer in danger zone.

L2P is not always s derogatory term — it was a sound advice first before its meaning was tainted over time.

Sir Vincent III.1286
You got me, it’s in the print. Oh no.

Selver.1307
fan boy

SoulSin.5682
There are countless things being changed or have changed that have been there single beta.

KaporHabakuk.6219
Thank you for your post good sir.

alchemyst.2165
Thank you for your post good sir.

Sir Vincent III.1286
I read the first sentence of this post and I stopped. There are countless things being changed or have changed that have been there single beta. You sir… are a special kind of fool. Way to go.

Daunt.8239:

Sir Vincent III.1286
I read the first sentence of this post and I stopped. There are countless things being changed or have changed that have been there single beta. You sir… are a special kind of fool. Way to go.

Ironic — someone calling someone else a fool when they only read the first sentence.

Take it or leave it. The QQ bucket is over there.

Sir Vincent III.1286
Just because someone says a truth that can be assumed to exist negative, doesn’t justify in any way for you to assume said person needs a QQ bucket.

Take it or leave it. Truth is the truth. I stand by what I said. Your buttox is over here.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

The fact that they’ve never addressed this for the last 2yrs, regardless of the endless frustration about this trait, tells us that is it intended.

They did address it, here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/balance/PvX-Thief-Last-Refuge/first

OP, your gameplay won’t get any better if you are here only to QQ.

EDIT: Well, after reading more of his responses, he is either severely lacking brain processing power or just trolling.

Kadin.2356:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

The fact that they’ve never addressed this for the last 2yrs, regardless of the endless frustration about this trait, tells us that is it intended.

They did address it, here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/balance/PvX-Thief-Last-Refuge/first

That’s not addressing it, they’re just talking about it. They’re just confirming that they have no idea how to address it.

fan boy? really? because I find someone not able to read their tooltips amusing?

lol. I noticed this the day I got the game.

I should have quoted the previous users who mentioned it as well, so as to not single out my love for Sir Vincent.

Kadin.2356:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

The fact that they’ve never addressed this for the last 2yrs, regardless of the endless frustration about this trait, tells us that is it intended.

They did address it, here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/balance/PvX-Thief-Last-Refuge/first

THANK YOU! I much appreciate it, I’ll stop ripping these other fools. Bye. Hope you enjoy your travels in all walks of life. =)