Guild Wars 2

What is this about. Cluster bomb was our only 1200 range skill across all weapons. It totally screws over thieves in WvW. Why???? It better be in preparation for rifle or something that has 1200 range.

Yay…we’re the only class without a 1200 range weapon.

Our Underwater is 1200!! LOL.

I’m sure a DEV will be happy to come here and explain why we’re the only class without a 1200 range attack option now. I can just picture the person coming up with the idea in said meeting and everybody nodding, yeah great idea X – you really thought that one all the way through, and considered the impact it will have across aboard to the Thief class. Excellent work! Do you think we need to compensate anywhere else for said change? No! Excellent response!

I hate being a sarcastic kitten.. but come on!

Kuju.2153:

I’m sure a DEV will be happy to come here and explain why we’re the only class without a 1200 range attack option now. I can just picture the person coming up with the idea in said meeting and everybody nodding, yeah great idea X – you really thought that one all the way through, and considered the impact it will have across aboard to the Thief class. Excellent work! Do you think we need to compensate anywhere else for said change? No! Excellent response!

I hate being a sarcastic kitten.. but come on!

Uh… Rangers just got SB nerfs to 900 range across the board too, you’re not the only one suffering from this kitten and that is one of our main consistent damage weapons and it was one of our ONLY good weapons in WvW.

If they were thinking cluster bomb spamming was a problem why not increase initiative cost to 4 instead of nerf the range it’s already slow as heck? I don’t play pvp that much but IMO it’s not a problem in pve or wvw..

This among other nerfs – s/d – has me downright steamed. I rarely use the shortbow, but do keep it handy in case of a siege fight so I have some way to do damage. This nerf to cluster bomb range makes shortbow effectively useless in a siege situation.

Ryan.8367:

Kuju.2153:

I’m sure a DEV will be happy to come here and explain why we’re the only class without a 1200 range attack option now. I can just picture the person coming up with the idea in said meeting and everybody nodding, yeah great idea X – you really thought that one all the way through, and considered the impact it will have across aboard to the Thief class. Excellent work! Do you think we need to compensate anywhere else for said change? No! Excellent response!

I hate being a sarcastic kitten.. but come on!

Uh… Rangers just got SB nerfs to 900 range across the board too, you’re not the only one suffering from this kitten and that is one of our main consistent damage weapons and it was one of our ONLY good weapons in WvW.

Yeah, good thing Ranger doesn’t have any other weapon that hits from 1200+…. you can still effectively AoE and attack siege among other things with longbow… not to mention offhand weapons can be traited to 1200 I believe. Thief has practically nothing now! I’ll just stop here since my sarcastic kitten attitude will only grow with folks making responses like this.

Fuming over cluster bomb range. Basically the only thing I can use to hit someone on a wall (or from a wall). Useless now. Can’t understand the thinking behind it at all, must be some abuse in kittening PVP or something. Really want a response from a dev on this one.

Ntranced.7415:

Fuming over cluster bomb range. Basically the only thing I can use to hit someone on a wall (or from a wall). Useless now. Can’t understand the thinking behind it at all, must be some abuse in kittening PVP or something. Really want a response from a dev on this one.

I don’t think you’ll get one in the Thief forum

This has me really upset. Now how’s it going to be in WvW?

Commander: “Everyone, AoE the oils and cannons! And hit the people on the wall!”

Thief: gets in range for Cluster Bomb. Has to stand in red circles and dies

if you wanna a physics correct kind of decision maker. long bow should have 1500 range shortbow 1200. bow sstill go really far no matter how you look at it. not even going to touch firearms in this conversation but for god sakes the warriors leap that distance!!!!!! guardians too almost. so a player can leap as far as shortbow shoots? cmon anet get ur heads out ur bums.

Travlane.5948:

if you wanna a physics correct kind of decision maker. long bow should have 1500 range shortbow 1200. bow sstill go really far no matter how you look at it. not even going to touch firearms in this conversation but for god sakes the warriors leap that distance!!!!!! guardians too almost. so a player can leap as far as shortbow shoots? cmon anet get ur heads out ur bums.

I can’t agree anymore with this. Leaps shouldnt match distance with a ranged weapon, at least no so close, even realizing the purpose is gap-closer.

it kind of makes me think of the bow and arrows i made when i was 6 out in the woods with a boyscout knife and string. :P lol game is just soooo cool sometimes

Yeah, I don’t understand why this was even on the radar. It will be hilarious if the distance from keep walls to the ground is basically max range so it’s useless for defending.

how about giving us the ability to use LONG BOWS !?! RIFLES ?
a MINI GUN for 1200 range ?

Tempest Darqmane.4862:

Travlane.5948:

if you wanna a physics correct kind of decision maker. long bow should have 1500 range shortbow 1200. bow sstill go really far no matter how you look at it. not even going to touch firearms in this conversation but for god sakes the warriors leap that distance!!!!!! guardians too almost. so a player can leap as far as shortbow shoots? cmon anet get ur heads out ur bums.

I can’t agree anymore with this. Leaps shouldnt match distance with a ranged weapon, at least no so close, even realizing the purpose is gap-closer.

LOL tell that to Ranger greatsword, please.

I think the nerf was needed. Cluster bomb is so op! You noobs don’t understand that.
1200 range! It moves like lighting and does super high damage and is a blast finisher! So OP! /sarcasm

The nerf does not make any sense and I am actually pretty kitten ed by it. We got some good buffs, but a lot kicks.

The nerf wouldn’t be so bad if it didn’t come out of left field, had a trait to at least move the range back, increased the range of at least the autoattack and/or maybe #4… or even pistol, or they could have just left it alone and increased the initiative cost by 1 or even 2. Nope, lets just nerf the only 1200 attack down to 900 – simple and easy for us!

lotus poison and cluster bomb range nerf is a huge blow to PvE and WvW thieves. our little group utility is shrinking still.

Yeah I would be willing to spec into something that allowed us to increase the range at our choice. I have had such a hard time explaining to pugs that yell at me for getting in too close and telling me to just go max range with my pistols. Not happy with a bunch of the changes that this patch has brought us.

I’m thinking maybe its because with detonation, it can reach a greater distance depending on your detonation height, which would allow 1 or 2 clusters to reach 1500 plus range. Not sure why this would be a severe problem. Anyways. Life moves on. It’s so slow at 1200 anyways. I think a person could regenerate before the next one hits anywayd

well the cluster bomb significance was always in siege warfare. siege doesn’t regenerate.

it’s a huge nerf.

Good luck defending keeps on top of walls now.
We’ll only be able to hit people braindead enough to stand RIGHT NEXT TO THE WALL.

Well, on the bright side, we’ll likely see more Thieves in that group, not because we’re braindead, but because we can’t hit anything otherwise.

so 1500 steal range with trait is not enough for you ? they nerfed ranger short bow down to 900 why should they keep thief’s much more powerful aoe with 1200 range ?

so what the skill is uber slow you could outrun it in combat mode and doge orblock etc. none of anets team plays a thief main ive heard so prolly hwy. im ready to quit this game. its getting boring and dulled/dumbed down. i miss being able to do fun stuff….shadowstep up stairs/hills. stuff like that. no range on shadow return. things that arent killing people are really OP are getting nerfed. weakness on sword every 20 secs? wtf is that. yeah like thats so helpful lol. id rather ust take it off and add 5% dmg to the sword.

@dina no shortbow should be at 900 range. warriors/guardians/rangers can leap farther. cluster bomb is worst nerf bc it is our only 1200 range attack. its suuuuuper slow so its not like it wasnt 1200 for a reason. and we cant fire another til the 3 secs are up and it hits lol. so cant spam it.

I’m upset at this as well. I loved launched the cluster at 1200 before I ran into 900 range. Gave like an extra burst of damage or something.
The ONLY thing I could possibly think that would even remotely justify dropping the range to 900 would be to reduce the maximum “flight” time of the bomb. Making it slightly more effective in dps. But, even at 900 range, it takes too long to land and explode.

yea shortbow nerf is probably the one nerf most people will feel most. shortbow is really good in group play. cluster bomb 1200 range was really awesome. shame it had to be nerfed.

they are killing shortbow slowly but they are doing it. trick shot. 2nd cluster bomb nerf. IA useless. 4 now half as useful bc of weakness nerf.

To all the people comparing this nerf to Ranger SB range nerf, we have 0 1200 range weapon skills now. We don’t even have traits available to boost weapon ranges.

I think we should be allowed our fair share of QQ’s.

When they said they wanted to make other weapons more mobile I didn’t realize they would completely destroy the short bow. NO ONE HAS EVER CONPLAINED ABOUT THE kittenING SHORT BOW!! Wtf Anet!?

First they kitten up trick shot, and now they destroyed our ability to use the short bow in WvW Zergs or sieges. What’s next? Cut the range on infiltrators Arrow in half, remove the blast finisher on Cluster Bomb, make trick shot hit only one target and cut the poison field in half?

No one have asked for these changes, so wtf is up? And when will a dev show up in our forum and give us some sort of explanation to this bullkitten?

@geiir yes all those are coming next (not sarcasm)

@KAON ranger longbow doesnt reach 1200 or 1500?

At least increase the range of pistols if you’re gonna nerf shortbows… the new Ricochet would have synergized well with a siege range.

Travlane.5948:

they are killing shortbow slowly but they are doing it. trick shot. 2nd cluster bomb nerf. IA useless. 4 now half as useful bc of weakness nerf.

yea they’re gonna nerf evade shot next.

lol siege arrow range is like 3x what our shortbow is. we will never be able to do anythign :/

These shortbow nerfs are getting redonkadonk.

Doing lupi is now impossible. Ppl will kick thieves immediately.

so shortbow may as well now be a melee wep with any skills being able to close the gaps. what is the point of a “ranged” wep with no “range” might as well just give us skills to bash people with the bow instead of shooting projectiles….sarcasm?

Yea this change doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me… My only guess is that the dev’s decided that longbows have 1200 range, therefore it just makes sense that shortbows should have a shorter range – aka 900 hence the range nerfs for both thief and ranger. Lets consider this:

PvP: don’t pvp alot so maybe someone can help me out here, but i never really saw 1200 range on a slow moving easily avoidable projectile to be mega OP at 1200 range

PvE: don’t think pve should really ever be the basis for massive balance changes imo, dungeons and pve content across the board is just EZ and the classes excel in different areas.

WvW: This is where the cluster bomb range nerf really hurts the most. As others have said, cluster bomb allows you to contribute in tower/keep engagements, and it allows you to contribute most reliably in larger zerg fights. Now we will be completely useless in siege situations other than the occasional unreliable scorpion wire. We will be virtually useless/more of a liability in zerg fights other than dagger storm and potentially venom sharing (although you give up quite in survivability to go down this route). We are the only class now that i can think of that does not have a 1200 ranged weapon option. Kinda sux bad. And if this is their mentality for the change, how come there still remains discrepancies between scepter ranges for say, guardian and mesmer?

If this is not their approach to the balance, then i would sure as hell like to know why they felt this change necessary. For the mean time, i’ll give the new changes a try, but most likely will hold my thief strictly for roaming parties in wvw. Necro and guard got some cool buffs, might as well play my alts instead.

upon reading the leaked notes; i was thinking that anet couldn’t possibly thinking
of nerfing a slow flight-slow arced; only weapon skill of thieves to go 1200;
unspammable at that range CB …

at least i thought they had the foresight to split it up from pvp;

congratulations anet, the trust we have that you would
horribly balance pve thieves is well deserved.
“promote diversity” indeed
slow clap

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A BOW is not a main viable weapon for Thieves. If you, like so many I kill, use it as a main weapon you seriously need help, in the head.

Crawford.4135:

A BOW is not a main viable weapon for Thieves. If you, like so many I kill, use it as a main weapon you seriously need help, in the head.

who said we’re using it as a main weapon?

shouldn’t you be allowed at times when you’re low on health, go on range?
shouldn’t you be allowed to go on range on say.. walls?
since every other classes classes have 1200 ranged weaps?

so you’re saying that a specific class should only go melee all time, while
others can switch as the situation suits it?

and since you’re so already good killing thieves,
even with this already weak weapon that got nerfed yet again,
why should you get your panties in a bunch?
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Dina Van Heyr.3018:

so 1500 steal range with trait is not enough for you ? they nerfed ranger short bow down to 900 why should they keep thief’s much more powerful aoe with 1200 range ?

Have you tried to Steal from wall or on top of a wall? I am sure you have, what happens? Failed!!!…

You stay on the wall, or it ports you to the very bottom of the wall, where you might be able to hit someone with your 900 ranger Cluster bomb.. hahaha

It is funny people hate the perma stealth thieves in wvw. Yet every patch they end making it the preferred style. Why would I sit on a wall using a weapons that can’t hit anything when I could be down below messing with people.

Travlane.5948:

@geiir yes all those are coming next (not sarcasm)

@KAON ranger longbow doesnt reach 1200 or 1500?

Actually, when Traited, Longbow reaches 1500 Range, which effectively got buffed across the board… Consider this

Engineer – Pistols – Mid Range, (When traited 1000 Range), Rifles Long range
Warriors – Longbow – Mid Range (When traited 1000 Range), Rifles Long Range
Guardians – Scepters, Staff 1200 Range
Rangers – Longbow – Long range, Shortbows and Axes – Mid Range
Mesmers – Greatswords, Staves and Scepter – 1200 Range
Necromancers – Staves and believe Scepters – 1200 Range

Thieves – Pistols (Cant be traited for range, 900 Range), Shortbows (Cants be traited for Range 900 Range).

Nope, don’t see the justice…

Wryscher.1432:

It is funny people hate the perma stealth thieves in wvw. Yet every patch they end making it the preferred style. Why would I sit on a wall using a weapons that can’t hit anything when I could be down below messing with people.

My real complaint, is for a patch that sounded like they were trying to add more Diversity to classes, they seem to be Corralling folks into Cookie Cutter builds.

Okay, so who has the next Thief Flavor of the Month Build that they can rip apart next months patch?

Kaon.7192:

Good luck defending keeps on top of walls now.
We’ll only be able to hit people braindead enough to stand RIGHT NEXT TO THE WALL.

Well, on the bright side, we’ll likely see more Thieves in that group, not because we’re braindead, but because we can’t hit anything otherwise.

If youre hiding in keeps and towers and not using an AC youre doing it wrong anyway.

wish.1027:

Kaon.7192:

Good luck defending keeps on top of walls now.
We’ll only be able to hit people braindead enough to stand RIGHT NEXT TO THE WALL.

Well, on the bright side, we’ll likely see more Thieves in that group, not because we’re braindead, but because we can’t hit anything otherwise.

If youre hiding in keeps and towers and not using an AC youre doing it wrong anyway.

So your counter argument is no one should have range attacks that hit from walls? Interesting proposal.

Wryscher.1432:

wish.1027:

Kaon.7192:

Good luck defending keeps on top of walls now.
We’ll only be able to hit people braindead enough to stand RIGHT NEXT TO THE WALL.

Well, on the bright side, we’ll likely see more Thieves in that group, not because we’re braindead, but because we can’t hit anything otherwise.

If youre hiding in keeps and towers and not using an AC youre doing it wrong anyway.

So your counter argument is no one should have range attacks that hit from walls? Interesting proposal.

No, my argument is that as a thief you should be outside fighting with your melee weapons in a 1v30+ while theyre getting a hail of arrows sprayed on them because youre a badarse and you can get stomps on all the people the ACs down because you can stealth a lot. Or that you should be on an AC because its range and damage are vastly superior to what any class can dish out from on top of a wall. Being outside and getting stomps being the superior option if theres plenty of people around to man the ACs.