Guild Wars 2

I’ve read so much constructive feedback on this forum, some posts are better than others and I’ve always taken it with a grain of salt when someone comes on here to vent. I’ve continued to main my thief since beta despite the nerfs and like most players found ways of making the class work for me.

However I’ve gotten to the stage where I can’t bite my tongue anymore and I am genuinely furious. Thief requires so much effort to be successful when pvping which I was happy to put in but now I just find myself being walked over by mesmers, eles… everything! It’s not like it’s even a challenge for them, their classes are so buffed up and forgiving when they make mistakes. When I try to come up with new builds to work around it the options just aren’t there and I find myself just having to go back to a 1 hit wonder burst build which quite frankly is easy to counter and boring to play.

I could post lots of constuctive feedback but let’s face it people before me have already done it and probably put it better than I ever could. We have so many terrible traits, for example: cloaked in shadow needs to be put in to deadly arts instead of Improvisation which by the way is a horrendous abuse of a GM trait. Who on earth wants to use a stolen skill twice? I struggle to use some of them once! Please think about the combinations you are offering on the trait lines and what they offer the class!

lastly, Devs you are posting way to much faith in daredevil to fix the issues we have and it’s just plain wrong. We shouldn’t have to specialise to make the class viable. Fix the class as it is now because at the moment it’s the elephant in the corner.

And to the the keyboard warriors playing other classes who think thief is fine, please try maining thief for a spell instead of telling us our class is viable, it isn’t, end.

I totally agree with you man and yet when I compare between me and my friends who play the more “in-meta” classes I enjoy the most out of us playing my thief and.. wait for it… a ranger. Two classes that probably get no love nowadays but I still enjoy them more than other classes because they are challenging and just more fun for me and are having great potential instead of spamming the keyboard as a warrior to keep the highest DPS so easily while tanking or just make tones of clones and get in stealth mesmers that drive people insane in PVP… and when I play those classes I just get bored like my friends.

But seriously, it’s getting to a point where it feels pointless for me, when every other class is getting buffed and just counters whatever it can, the challenge is still there, but it’s becoming unfair.

i like it, but improvision is a good trait to have btw… the two steals uses can cause a lot of outplay, and its nice to steal to have a sr or a withdraw up instantly.

Want to have extra frustrating time? Play w/o vamp runes on thief….. :|

Save yourself the trouble and just reroll another class until they fix it. I went back to my Warrior for a while and will probably try out my Ranger next. After I tire of those maybe dust off my Mesmer and punish some players with a stupid OP PU build that has been OP for WAY too long.

Cynz.9437:

Want to have extra frustrating time? Play w/o vamp runes on thief….. :|

If you’re a masochist, play without vamp runes, shadow arts, or any stealth utility on your skill bar.

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

Want to have extra frustrating time? Play w/o vamp runes on thief….. :|

If you’re a masochist, play without vamp runes, shadow arts, or any stealth utility on your skill bar.

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kitten

People need to vote with their wallet, or these MMO developers will never learn. I’ve heard a lot of people say, “if Thief doesn’t end up being good I’ll roll another profession I guess…”, which essentially means ArenaNet is still getting your time and money and thus they have no reason to conclude that they did anything wrong with Thief.

I for one will be quitting the game if Thief isn’t whipped into shape around HoT release… but I’m giving ArenaNet until then. Make it count, guys.

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

Want to have extra frustrating time? Play w/o vamp runes on thief….. :|

If you’re a masochist, play without vamp runes, shadow arts, or any stealth utility on your skill bar.

Apparently I’m a masochist

I’m just not that kind of Thief.

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

Want to have extra frustrating time? Play w/o vamp runes on thief….. :|

If you’re a masochist, play without vamp runes, shadow arts, or any stealth utility on your skill bar.

And only with 1 dagger, record the kills, make a montage video, and post it up on PvP forums. Then enjoy the QQ’ing and the nerfing to come.

Zero Day.2594:

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

Want to have extra frustrating time? Play w/o vamp runes on thief….. :|

If you’re a masochist, play without vamp runes, shadow arts, or any stealth utility on your skill bar.

And only with 1 dagger, record the kills, make a montage video, and post it up on PvP forums. Then enjoy the QQ’ing and the nerfing to come.

I do play it with 1 dagger! Just paired a sword

:P

Slowmelt.8547:

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

Want to have extra frustrating time? Play w/o vamp runes on thief….. :|

If you’re a masochist, play without vamp runes, shadow arts, or any stealth utility on your skill bar.

Apparently I’m a masochist

I’m just not that kind of Thief.

Welcome to the club!

Slowmelt.8547:

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

Want to have extra frustrating time? Play w/o vamp runes on thief….. :|

If you’re a masochist, play without vamp runes, shadow arts, or any stealth utility on your skill bar.

Apparently I’m a masochist

I’m just not that kind of Thief.

Everyone that mains a thief is. Some are just so indulged in pleasure that they’re unaware.

can we get this stickied please?

I took a 10 month hiatus, what do i find when i come back?
Thief Nerfed to the garbage can. First things first (im a realist), what moron though it would be a good idea to make Cloaked in shadow, our ONLY damage mitigation a grandmaster making us choose between gaining 300 hp a second or getting blinds on stealth? the choice for that one is pretty clear, and if it isnt, well i feel sorry for you, you’re either new to the class or just decided you want to die alot. Also that trait alone is what made D/D thief valid in the first place.

Second, Why would we play thief if mesmer can just outstealth and out burst us? It does our job better, more effeciently, and has more utility (mass invis., portal, etc.)

Vaxyle.1692:

I took a 10 month hiatus, what do i find when i come back?
Thief Nerfed to the garbage can. First things first (im a realist), what moron though it would be a good idea to make Cloaked in shadow, our ONLY damage mitigation a grandmaster making us choose between gaining 300 hp a second or getting blinds on stealth? the choice for that one is pretty clear, and if it isnt, well i feel sorry for you, you’re either new to the class or just decided you want to die alot. Also that trait alone is what made D/D thief valid in the first place.

Second, Why would we play thief if mesmer can just outstealth and out burst us? It does our job better, more effeciently, and has more utility (mass invis., portal, etc.)

So much this, those trait choices just make no sense! Firstly blind on stealth was never a grand master trait (if I remember correctly) but more over it just doesn’t feel right in that trait line. We are basically forced to throw all of our traits into offensive lines in order to survive!? In other words, kill them before they kill you! The worst part being that it’s so easy to counter the opening bursts if you know what you are doing and lets not get into how overly countered shadow refuge is now.

I wouldn’t hold out much hope for the thief class guys. Any guild wars 1 vets remember this little gem?

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Smiter's_Boon_%28PvP%29

Yeah that’s right, thieves are getting Smiter’s Boon’d (Hi there, Acrobatics trait line). This proves balance is NOT ArenaNet’s strong point. Just like smiter’s boon, Anet is probably going to ignore us and hope we shut up and forget about it.

Thieves got Illusionary Weaponry’d

Having also main’d a thief since launch, I wish to express my support for the OP’s expression of frustration.

Also, I wholeheartedly agree that Elite Spec should not be viewed as a profession fix.

/signed

Rapidly Losing Hope,

- A Very Disheartened Asura Thief

https://i.imgur.com/2jsfax6.jpg

Maugetarr.6823:

Cynz.9437:

Want to have extra frustrating time? Play w/o vamp runes on thief….. :|

If you’re a masochist, play without vamp runes, shadow arts, or any stealth utility on your skill bar.

Probably what’ll happen quite soon with all the nerf calls to Vamp Rune, along with the abundance of Reveal mechanics introduced to every freaking class.

Thief is almost okay in my opinion. I wish they would buff our base hp from 11k to 15k. I think that alone would help greatly. Otherwise, I’d like to see some small buffs to certain signets.

I mean the devs need to take a look at burning scaling. And bring down some easy might stacking (which they are buffing with the new scrapper). If they could realize that under normal conditions might should be either a burst buff or something you need your allies to help you maintain. Also burning needs toning down hard. However, in terms on changes FOR thief, I’d only increase his base hp, and restore shadow’s embrace.

We have fun traits (outside of pistol), and I like the variety.

Me too. Some simple defense and damage buffs would help. From the start it was always a learn to play issue not because thieves were “OP”. Thief should be at least a top class for PvP since rogue classes are traditionally weak in PvE.

+1 for OP.
All feeling the pain it seems.
Hope it’s something they fix soon.