Guild Wars 2

This is more of a concept than something I put time into creating, but I think it would be cool for thieves to have a slower paced combat where they could stay in the melee fight.

Basically a thief that wields a greatsword that has some type of charge and knockdown in its weapon.

Instead of going for stances that have a duration, thieves will get access to stances on low cooldown that last for as long as they want, but it diminishes initiative over time.

For example, a stance that reduces incoming damage by 50% and a stunbreaker stance that pulses 1 stack of stability every second. The stances diminish about 1 initiative every second.

If its a concept people would be interested in seeing I don’t mind spending time creating the weapon, traits and stance abilities.

Are you talking about revenants? It seems to me you’re describing the revenant here.

plz dont make thief into a weab class u already have edgy revenants with their blindfolds for that and a greatsword weapon with katana skin for all the gs classes

Lexander.4579:

plz don’t make thief into a weab class u already have edgy revenants with their blindfolds for that and a greatsword weapon with katana skin for all the gs classes

Just because it’s from Japan doesn’t make it “weeb”. Samurai have a long tradition of practicing discipline, honor, hard work, and extensively trained in many areas. Ninja were basically rogue samurai. The traditional “ninja” outfit was actually for stagehands but someone had the brilliant (not sarcastic) idea to actively incorporate them into their play thus that became their identity. Ninjas would traditionally wear what’s appropriate for their job. They were mercenaries, usually samurai who went rogue and also had amazing training that involved sprinting, jump-roping over thorny ropes, maximize survival in a burning building, and had some quite undignified jobs at times to say the least. An emperor even banned firearms because he understood that people needed a lower skill to kill with them (it should be noted that guns in those days could only carry one bullet and had to frequently be reloaded and weren’t too accurate) so it was therefore not an honorable weapon. Some martial arts still incorporated them however but were banned for a period.

Why must we put these labels (as if liking a Japanese cartoon somehow makes someone lesser) on people? It is simply someone sharing his idea and it has some merit. I think the idea might fit guardian better, but guardian already has a great sword and access to all two handed weapons except short bow. But it begs the question: why is Japanese culture so attractive to many in the West? Western cultures have and share certain roots with each other and Western media reflects that. You see Western cartoons confirming mainstream attitudes (usually, though the good ones mock them) and values being reminded that such media comes from a certain culture with certain roots. Japan however has a radically different culture that doesn’t take as much offense to certain issues or topics (but does so in different ways) and this attracts people looking for something else. You also get an outsiders’ window of your own culture in some episodes. Making fun of Americans for being overly sensitive, assuming guilt in people where there is none, and sue-happy? You can laugh in agreement with the cartoon. It isn’t making fun of you per se, but aspects of your own country and culture you don’t like or agree with. There are also personalities and attitudes in anime you won’t get in western cartoons.

Speaking of ninja why not a ninja elite spec that focuses on group support via stealth and some cleansing and healing? Ninjas were trained with the first aid of the day and were very literate when it came to medicine so they’d know how to patch up an ally if needed. They were well trained in poisons so it’d make sense if they knew how to work with the good plants too.

Agemnon.4608:

Lexander.4579:

plz don’t make thief into a weab class u already have edgy revenants with their blindfolds for that and a greatsword weapon with katana skin for all the gs classes

Just because it’s from Japan doesn’t make it “weeb”. Samurai have a long tradition of practicing discipline, honor, hard work, and extensively trained in many areas. Ninja were basically rogue samurai. The traditional “ninja” outfit was actually for stagehands but someone had the brilliant (not sarcastic) idea to actively incorporate them into their play thus that became their identity. Ninjas would traditionally wear what’s appropriate for their job. They were mercenaries, usually samurai who went rogue and also had amazing training that involved sprinting, jump-roping over thorny ropes, maximize survival in a burning building, and had some quite undignified jobs at times to say the least. An emperor even banned firearms because he understood that people needed a lower skill to kill with them (it should be noted that guns in those days could only carry one bullet and had to frequently be reloaded and weren’t too accurate) so it was therefore not an honorable weapon. Some martial arts still incorporated them however but were banned for a period.

Why must we put these labels (as if liking a Japanese cartoon somehow makes someone lesser) on people? It is simply someone sharing his idea and it has some merit. I think the idea might fit guardian better, but guardian already has a great sword and access to all two handed weapons except short bow. But it begs the question: why is Japanese culture so attractive to many in the West? Western cultures have and share certain roots with each other and Western media reflects that. You see Western cartoons confirming mainstream attitudes (usually, though the good ones mock them) and values being reminded that such media comes from a certain culture with certain roots. Japan however has a radically different culture that doesn’t take as much offense to certain issues or topics (but does so in different ways) and this attracts people looking for something else. You also get an outsiders’ window of your own culture in some episodes. Making fun of Americans for being overly sensitive, assuming guilt in people where there is none, and sue-happy? You can laugh in agreement with the cartoon. It isn’t making fun of you per se, but aspects of your own country and culture you don’t like or agree with. There are also personalities and attitudes in anime you won’t get in western cartoons.

Speaking of ninja why not a ninja elite spec that focuses on group support via stealth and some cleansing and healing? Ninjas were trained with the first aid of the day and were very literate when it came to medicine so they’d know how to patch up an ally if needed. They were well trained in poisons so it’d make sense if they knew how to work with the good plants too.

people are called weabs not because the japanese culture is so interesting, diverse and different

they are called that way because 99% of the time they know the japanese culture only from a single point: stupid japanese cartoons

and mind you when i say “stupid” im not just cursing for no reason i actually mean it, with all the plot armor certain characters have there with all these “oh no an enemy makes an unexpected move but noooo waaay thats just exactly what the protagonist predicted!” moments every single of these cartoons have

just so you know nearly all japanese cartoons are made to cater for 12-16 years old children so the fact when a western adult is watching them 6 hours per day and claiming that its the pinnacle of art points toward some serious mental issues

oh and they almost never show in those cartoons anything about western world, it might sound shocking to you but the japanese are still extremely secluded and have borderline irrational phobia for everything from outside unless of course you consider something like code geass a worthy representation of japanese vision of europe/america lol

and mind you when i say “stupid” im not just cursing for no reason i actually mean it, with all the plot armor certain characters have there with all these “oh no an enemy makes an unexpected move but noooo waaay that’s just exactly what the protagonist predicted!” moments every single of these cartoons have

Western comics have lots of plot armor yet no one seems to notice. I’m not saying comics are poorly written but also remember lots of plot points go missing or outright changed during localization. The good translations are usually unofficial fan translations.

just so you know nearly all Japanese cartoons are made to cater for 12-16 years old children so the fact when a western adult is watching them 6 hours per day and claiming that its the pinnacle of art points toward some serious mental issues

What they deem appropriate for their children could be considered inappropriate by Western standards. They even legit swear in some cartoons aimed at that age group. But I agree 6 hours per day on any medium is too much even if it’s Street Fighter. Pinnacle of art is a bit of a stretch but in some animes the detail (especially with environment and backgrounds), characterization, and voice acting is amazing while others aren’t meant to be “prestige” animes but rather something to casually watch and laugh at.

oh and they almost never show in those cartoons anything about western world

I have seen myself subtitles with those criticisms and in Samurai Champloo they even made fun of Americans in their baseball episode. Yes it was very anachronistic but it wasn’t an episode meant to be taken seriously. That’s the problem with media in general, too much wants to be taken seriously as if it isn’t enough just to be cool and/or funny or whatever a show, comic, movie, etc., wants to be. How do you fit many funny scenarios in? Have the story go in a direction where those things happen.

Guess I won’t bother since its too weeb for thieves to have a greatsword with stances. kitten doesn’t even need to be called a samurai, I just thought it fit most with the theme.

I thought it was a cool idea.

You neckbeards need to cool it.

Based on OP’s ideas

See Wicked Abandon for my Deadeye concept, link in sig. I think that’s the kind of implementation you’re looking for in regards to stances and draining initiative, as well as fight-commitment capability.

The name or aesthetic of the Samurai itself doesn’t really fit GW2 well. I think it would be more fitting for rangers, particularly given the historical significance animals (dogs, horses, etc,) had on how the Samurai functioned as primarily cavalrymen or as skilled archers. For the most part, Samurai were not historically fast in combat and were Japan’s equivalent to armored Knights. Entertainment has painted them in a very factually incorrect light. The thief model of being deceptive, high-speed and with elements of surprise, dirty tactics, and stealth, really doesn’t include any amount of what the Samurai represent.

While I agree that elite specs should change aspects of the core profession, I think this is trying to make the thief fit the identity of a guardian a little too much.

Just give my thief a torch so i can make it like warhammer’s age of reckoning witch hunter with “Burn Away Lies” skill that ticks for condi damage and last tick damages more. A condi spec that burst if target doesn’t cleanses.

Samurai were warriors, tho. They were the military upper class. They wore heavy armour and used longbows, spears and two-handed swords.

A stance-juggling duellist would be cool enough but it could do with another concept.

replace greatsword with off-hand sword – have a kendo-style stance skill set to go with the physicals.. that could work.

New elite Spec Swashbuckler Offhand Sword…….. Be more thematic and so on or Duelist. Or dual Maces for Enforcer/Thug. Since elite specs should be subclasses not completely different class designs.

Tengu are an excellent way to bring samurai to the game. They have a strong Japanese based culture, so it would make sense for them to bring some Japanese inspired elite spec. However, I would much rather see samurai added on Warrior with a naginata or polearm style weapon, because the naginata was a major part of Japanese warfare, and it was commonly used by samurai.