Guild Wars 2

This is a sub topic for the state of the thief. you can get to the main overview by clicking one of the links below.
This Topic is used to discuss about a specific skill or trait and to make suggestions on how to improve it.

• General
• Traits – weak
• Traits – strong
• Skills – weak
• Skills – strong
• Wild Ideas

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Shadow’s Embrace:
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Shadow Arts Trait: IV
Remove one condition every 3 seconds while in stealth.

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Ideas :
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crouze.3078:

Remove one condition every 3 seconds 10 seconds while in stealth.
And give more condition removal for the acrobatic trait line instead.

My idea:

Remove one condition every 3 seconds 10 seconds while in stealth.
And give more condition removal for the acrobatic trait line instead.

Lol, you know how many thieves immediately started crying when they all thought this one condi removal every 10 seconds was a stealth nerf introduction because the tooltip said it? They immediately screamed ‘i quit, gonna go play warrior now!’ (which goes to show you what kind of classes they favor when immediately thinking of a new class to go to, an overpowered broken one), some even blindly said it was true without even testing that it actually wasn’t one every 10 seconds.

Not gonna happen, thieves will cry too much

Until the condition meta changes SE needs to remain as is, imo.

Also

@Ryan

the reason players say they will go play warriors is to contrast the shear brokenness of warriors compared to Anet’s shoddy handling of their preferred profession. Stop being a kitten- you aren’t even good at it.

let them cry. as long as they add a condition remove in the acrobatic line that is close as powerfull as the current shadow’s embrace its fine

These two are different traitlines for different purposes. A D/D or D/P thief will be left with barely any condition removal while still not using acrobatics. This change doesn’t make any sence to me.

Personally i’d like to hace more condition removal on utility skills. Acrobatic has pain response and fleet of foot. Could be improved, but these are enogugh imo.

E.g. let signet of agility refill only 50% endurance (so less qq from the spvp players, crying over “perma evade thief”) but instead remove 2-3 conditions.

pain response is a fail.

• it can trigger without removing conditions.
• it can trigger only once every 30 seconds.
• it can only remove 3 different conditions.
• it is a master trait.

If you make the change for condo removal every 10 seconds, prepare for perma stealth build to be the only viable spec.

Sincerely,
P/D thief

Like i said, it could be improved.
Btw i use it, and i think it’s already quite useful in this condi meta.

pain response is a master trait and shadow’s embrace is removing way more conditions while being an adept trait

Unless they give us better options to remove conditions, it should stay the way it is. Considering conditions can be reapplied so fast, this trait is vital to keep up with the constant conditions. People only really use perma-stealth in WvW mostly because you don’t have any force objectives, unlike in tPvP where in stealth can’t cap you the objective points. It is the only decent condition removal trait, and you can only really run it if you have 30 into Shadow Arts, because every stealth trait is in that tree. I personally like this, because it helped handled the condition meta, and I can manage to get out of Heavy AoE with it. I do agree it is strong, but unless they find a way to give us condition removal on par with other classes or ease up on conditions in general, this trait should remain the way it is for now.

crouze.3078:

pain response is a fail.

• it can trigger without removing conditions.
• it can trigger only once every 30 seconds.
• it can only remove 3 different conditions.
• it is a master trait.

Why don’t you ask for a buff to pain response instead of a nerf to SE?

I saw your post the other day about making D/D stronger which uses this trait to survive. Now you did a 180 degree move and want to make that spec weaker? I don’t understand what you’re thinking or trying to do…

i never asked to make something as specific like d/d stronger.

The main reason for all those suggestions is to put each trait in a tier on the same level.

At the momment there are traits that you would never pick and some you would never change for anything else in its tier.

Seriously, just stop posting these topics. You aren’t creating healthy discussion and all of your suggestions are either ridiculous nerfs or changes to skills that are already balanced. At this point all you’re doing is spamming the forum.

if you are not able to look at the whole, please read up everything i have written about the thief balance.

I also suggested buffs… and at the moment i am pointing out the strong stuff the thief has.

It is a work in progress after all.

But my experience so far is that most players in this forum are to busy with flaming.
Give buff suggestions and you have attention of a few players for a short time.
Give nerf suggestions and the whole thief forum is going crazy.

I can fully understand when anet is not listening to the thief community.

I agree with incurafy,

Your changes to the thief class seem result driven in that you have a specific idea of how thieves should syngerize and are proposing towards that rather then making changes based on power and the notion of bring more versatility to builds and playstyle.

The complaints against constructive posts like this are why we can’t get good things. Stop flaming someone who is trying to help the class.