Guild Wars 2

I really hated playing thief so i parked my thief for my warrior.

Boy oh boy is it a much better class.

I reccomend you guys give it a go, thief is not worth it

Can you add me to the list of supporters?

another chump choosing the easy way out, even though they both support 2 different roles entirely in the game

I mainly only SPvP now and I did the same…Thief is just in a bad spot in this meta compared to warrior. I don’t care what people say; I’d rather be in the fight than running away from it.

It’s sad because it’s the only class I played for over a year…but I can’t seem to have fun playing it anymore.

Warrior just does it better period.

blitzkrieg.2451:

another chump choosing the easy way out, even though they both support 2 different roles entirely in the game

This. Doesn’t help that Warrior is just so kitten boring. It’s the vanilla of the vanilla, and by far so generic that I can’t even play Warrior for long periods of time without almost falling asleep.

You guys are sad. Thief is fine and kicks butt if you know how to use it.

MightyMicah.7451:

You guys are sad. Thief is fine and kicks butt if you know how to use it.

You mean as long as we can spam stealth or the third weaponskills?

panicbutton.1053:

Can you add me to the list of supporters?

Harley you traitor

On topic though, played warrior in sPvP and it’s faceroll. I went full glass killshot and rekt people. It’s fun, but gets very boring really quick.

The first thing to realize is the game isn’t about 1on1s BUT if necessary thief can , and will continue to be the best dueling class though so if you’re losing to a warrior in solos (ESPECIALLY with shadow arts), then you need to get better at the game and learn warrior mechanics maybe.

Thief does extremely well in group play as well when you play it right.

Warrior and thief serve 2 completely different roles, ones a heavy class that can tank more and have more general utility, ones a medium armor class with high burst damage and support in taking out target classes almost instantly, group invis, constant blind uptime, high daze uptime for enemy heals in team fights (huge), etc etc. Keep in mind also when you blind a warrior in a group fight thats using hammer, you’re not just avoiding dmg for your entire team, you’re avoiding CC for your team and preventing condi removal on the warrior (95%+ run CI) for your team to stack even more to kill them even faster.

In short, l2p thief please and know it’s role in this game both in group and solo play.

Aggreeing with Blitz above me for the most part. Thief is one of the best (or best, everyone says so but even Thief has to submit to the Rock<Paper<Scissors) dueling classes.
Thief also has the absolute highest bleed and poison uptimes (high condi damage, reduce heal).
Thief has greatest access to dodges, gap closers, gap openers, torment.
Thief has second lowest survivability (Elementalist has less, but they have many more options that don’t get spammed).
Thief can be group support and a great team waste basket (you must be “good” to play a class with spammable skills because once those skills lose spammability, you die- its very counter intuitive, but it makes sense when you think about it)
Warrior has greatest access to burst skills
Warrior has the best fail-safe nets (you can mess up all day and still come out alive)
Warrior does not have to worry too much on what traits and stats to pick
Warrior has to operate on cooldowns (some are long)
Warrior can support team

I’m running out of seperations, but you get the idea. One is for X, one is for Y. X and Y are nearly equal if skill is equal, but they will never be- so X and Y are not equal. Hope I helped.

Peow peow.2189:

I really hated playing thief so i parked my thief for my warrior.

Boy oh boy is it a much better class.

I reccomend you guys give it a go, thief is not worth it

I’m just gonna leave this here….

http://www.gw2score.com/PvP/player/Peow-peow2189

<3

This thread got serious way too fast! The OP is known for three other troll posts before this one. Remember the guy that posted absurd nerfs and added people to his support list? Yeah, same guy… Hence my original reply above xD

Example: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Why-thief-should-be-re-worked/first#post4160468

Thanks for the great responses guys, like I said engineer is a much better class then thief. No point to even play thief now a days. Im glad so many people can see how weak thief has become.

Better choice: Warrior, engineer and mesmer

^you make my work day go by quicker xD

Why does this guy still post X_X Please stop with the troll posts.

panicbutton.1053:

Can you add me to the list of supporters?

Careful what you wish for O.o

NinjaEd.3946:

panicbutton.1053:

Can you add me to the list of supporters?

Careful what you wish for O.o

they call you ninja ed, well im naming you ninja ted. You may be spoon fed but your butt cheeks will be red when my warrior hammer smashes this thread.

10/10 rap skillz

so far in wvw 1v1 i hardly died to any warrior who stay and fight
against mesmer 80% succsess and only longer fight to pu ones
and against engi 70% succsess and yes they are the hardest from the above two.

so dont know what you talking about

in group fight the bigger the group the less neediness for a thief beside scouting, tagging, doly hunter, solo camps and periphery harasser
so far while rolling a thief in guild raid while my team down in their burst 5 ppl i down alone 3…

i tried warrior and got so bored as it too easy even more than p/d condi

Warrior is the hardest class for me to play. Whenever I play warrior I die all the time because it’s so mindless I forget I’m playing a video game. In all seriousness though, while thief may not be the best for unorganized teams it can do 1v1 or be outnumbered and still do fine with the same build. I don’t really find myself running away anymore with zerker D/D stealth and blind build. I can stand right up in the fight, I don’t even have to wait until my health is up to attack because I can just stealth again! Muahahaaa!

You know what really OP? Glass ranger in wvw…. Oh mah gawd…. I alwayzz loooose to dem cuz they too stronk n hard to burst to dead. They do 2 much damage 2. Lyke Naow erytime I c a ranger I run da oder way cuz I know I lose. RNger need nerf hard. N all oder classes except teef. Teef should be better cuz i play teef n i wanna win cuz im wanna feel better dan u. N so i can spam /sit on ure dead face. ululululul

Nickeloneon.8714:

You know what really OP? Glass ranger in wvw…. Oh mah gawd…. I alwayzz loooose to dem cuz they too stronk n hard to burst to dead. They do 2 much damage 2. Lyke Naow erytime I c a ranger I run da oder way cuz I know I lose. RNger need nerf hard. N all oder classes except teef. Teef should be better cuz i play teef n i wanna win cuz im wanna feel better dan u. N so i can spam /sit on ure dead face. ululululul

Psh man, you don’t know anything:
disclaimer – the following wasn’t posted by me

I too have experienced the might of the Devil-Bear.
Changes to meta make me think time to stop hiding in Divinities Reach and take Elementalist into WvW again. Ele much powerful again.
I grab Wup-Wup staff because Ele is Jacky of all trades, stronk in all.
Lightning hands! I run with fastness from spawn camp, see Necro!
Ha-ha silly Necro, my diamond skin is stronk against your Spiteful Signit, I change to burning hands, smite Necro with lava fountain and flaming balls. Victory!
Next see coward Thief, he stealth and run fast too afraid of powerful AOE. Ha-ha coward thief, go find Warrior to kill.
Then I see plantman Ranger with BEAR! I know ranger stronkest of all but must fight for honour of my father. Bear is running at me, I strike with fire, bear not care, still running. I use lava fountain and OP keep moving tactic. Flaming back roll! Bear keep coming, run all way up fire path. Why bear not on fire? Bear made of fur. Fur and teeth and devil eyes.
Ranger is pew-pewing me with small bow. pain. agony. indigestion.
Bear biting me, much bleeding! I make bleedings too, change to dirt hands use shocking wave. Bear is very hurt but so am I try to make space with super elite flaming run away sword.
Hit invisible rock start running on spot, then cunning plantman ranger uses leafy magic and I stuck more. Change to water hands for much healing, not heal 100% ranger shooting with icky poison arrow.
Then I see bear change colour! Same bear but brown now. Different colour but same devil eyes! Same bear.
Now I know. Bearamentalist! Bear change colour when attunement swap!
Bear 100%! Why bear heal so much in water?
Ranger use OP weapon swap to big bow and strike me with thousand arrows from heaven. Bear chewing, much damage even in water atunement, must be from F1 might stack, could not see screen properly through tears. Not bother trying to rez, did not want bear to change to fire atunement and drop lava bear nugget on me.

Peow peow.2189:

NinjaEd.3946:

panicbutton.1053:

Can you add me to the list of supporters?

Careful what you wish for O.o

they call you ninja ed, well im naming you ninja ted. You may be spoon fed but your butt cheeks will be red when my warrior hammer smashes this thread.

10/10 rap skillz

-10/10 for flip flopping like a politician. The medal goes to Pavel for his ranger recognition.

Black Teagan.9215:

MightyMicah.7451:

You guys are sad. Thief is fine and kicks butt if you know how to use it.

You mean as long as we can spam stealth or the third weaponskills?

You say that as if warrior attacks and rotations aren’t the most basic of flow-charts.

Serious Thought.5394:

Aggreeing with Blitz above me for the most part. Thief is one of the best (or best, everyone says so but even Thief has to submit to the Rock<Paper<Scissors) dueling classes.
Thief also has the absolute highest bleed and poison uptimes (high condi damage, reduce heal).
Thief has greatest access to dodges, gap closers, gap openers, torment.
Thief has second lowest survivability (Elementalist has less, but they have many more options that don’t get spammed).
Thief can be group support and a great team waste basket (you must be “good” to play a class with spammable skills because once those skills lose spammability, you die- its very counter intuitive, but it makes sense when you think about it)
Warrior has greatest access to burst skills
Warrior has the best fail-safe nets (you can mess up all day and still come out alive)
Warrior does not have to worry too much on what traits and stats to pick
Warrior has to operate on cooldowns (some are long)
Warrior can support team

I’m running out of seperations, but you get the idea. One is for X, one is for Y. X and Y are nearly equal if skill is equal, but they will never be- so X and Y are not equal. Hope I helped.

The sarcasm is cute. But only bad players think like this.

Look at Caed, then look at Anas Tarcis. They both do extremely well for their team and are highly valuable to have on their team. Both serve 2 different roles because they’re different classes with like I said, 2 different roles. You gotta be good though and have skill to be effective, something which appears that you lack entirely.

Peow peow.2189:

I really hated playing thief so i parked my thief for my warrior.

Boy oh boy is it a much better class.

I reccomend you guys give it a go, thief is not worth it

I agree. I hated my Thief so much that I rolled another Thief — and hated that too so I rolled a 3rd Thief.

Boy oh boy, it is a much better profession.

I recommend you guys give it a go, the first thief is not worth it — third time’s the charm.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Peow peow.2189:

I really hated playing thief so i parked my thief for my warrior.

Boy oh boy is it a much better class.

I reccomend you guys give it a go, thief is not worth it

I agree. I hated my Thief so much that I rolled another Thief — and hated that too so I rolled a 3rd Thief.

Boy oh boy, it is a much better profession.

I recommend you guys give it a go, the first thief is not worth it — third time’s the charm.

I havn’t quit gotten sick of my 2nd thief. 1 for wvw/pve, another for pvp. 1st is a norn because cultural is BAMF for thief and death blossom is hysterical, 2nd is an asuran because he’s obnoxiously difficult to read in a duel.

NinjaEd.3946:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Peow peow.2189:

I really hated playing thief so i parked my thief for my warrior.

Boy oh boy is it a much better class.

I reccomend you guys give it a go, thief is not worth it

I agree. I hated my Thief so much that I rolled another Thief — and hated that too so I rolled a 3rd Thief.

Boy oh boy, it is a much better profession.

I recommend you guys give it a go, the first thief is not worth it — third time’s the charm.

I havn’t quit gotten sick of my 2nd thief. 1 for wvw/pve, another for pvp. 1st is a norn because cultural is BAMF for thief and death blossom is hysterical, 2nd is an asuran because he’s obnoxiously difficult to read in a duel.

My main and 2nd thief are humans, and the 3rd is a Sylvari. I might roll an Asura next.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

NinjaEd.3946:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Peow peow.2189:

I really hated playing thief so i parked my thief for my warrior.

Boy oh boy is it a much better class.

I reccomend you guys give it a go, thief is not worth it

I agree. I hated my Thief so much that I rolled another Thief — and hated that too so I rolled a 3rd Thief.

Boy oh boy, it is a much better profession.

I recommend you guys give it a go, the first thief is not worth it — third time’s the charm.

I havn’t quit gotten sick of my 2nd thief. 1 for wvw/pve, another for pvp. 1st is a norn because cultural is BAMF for thief and death blossom is hysterical, 2nd is an asuran because he’s obnoxiously difficult to read in a duel.

My main and 2nd thief are humans, and the 3rd is a Sylvari. I might roll an Asura next.

Wasn’t there a guy with all thieves alts… sandsukal… sanduskel? Think a close relative of Burnfall (o.O what happened to him where’s his poetry).

And yeah warriors are so much more faceroll than thieves.

This is how i play mine….

I find thief ridiculously fun in sPvP, and would much rather play that than my warrior. In the end it’s all subjective, but I find that thief and mesmer are the best classes at f#%*ing with others and keeping players on their toes. I’d rather play a weaker class that’s tricky, than a straight forward hard hitting class any day. To reiterate again though, this is all a matter of opinion.

It’s an unfortunate situation but the op is correct.

Anet has continually introduced a string of nerfs for thieves, except those who follow the flavor of the month – condi meta – while continually buffing all the other classes, especially the warrior. (I play a lot in wvw but rarely post, and if you were to check my post history I specifically said the opposite, indicating how strong thieves were compared to how weak warriors were years back).

The situation now has totally reversed. As alluded to in earlier replies , the only way warriors die is if they decide to stick around with their skills on cool downs, otherwise they can just leggit out of there with absolutely no recourse (sure thieves can catch up but cannot do nearly enough damage to beat their regeneration). And herein lies the 1st most obvious problem, the healing signet on the warrior is way overpowered. Compare it say to the thief’s active healing from the signet of malice: it cannot even match the warriors passive even if the thief were to non stop beat on something without a break and using all of his initiative. Come on Anet, your balancing team needs a kick in the balls for the screwing up this badly on this alone.

The other major difference between the warrior vs a thief is that a warrior’s have the GS line that is so overtly powerful with not only its superior damage and gap closers but also the other very important but understated immunity to damage/crowd-control while performing #2, #3 & #5. This then makes it is an absolute no-brainer for EVERY warrior to have GS+Heal Signet as their staple.

I love this game regardless. I will still play a thief regardless (I have a warrior but cannot bare to play cheese modes). I just hope Anet ameliorates the situation so its fun for the majority of the player base to play all classes/specs instead of the fotms/metas.

I agree with the above post here. Sum it up very well. My background in warrior is very little. I do have a 80 warrior. Just havent gear him up yet. I still find thief the most fun even with all the nerf. I guess its fun because it isnt very forgiving. It sure isnt noob friendly but im sure most of us like the challenges… consider it a high risk high reward class.
No single class can have it all…If a thief mess up your initiative… or dodge wrong time.. or no shadow step.. you are dead. Maybe a little more forgiving for other classes.

Zero Day.2594:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

NinjaEd.3946:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Peow peow.2189:

I really hated playing thief so i parked my thief for my warrior.

Boy oh boy is it a much better class.

I reccomend you guys give it a go, thief is not worth it

I agree. I hated my Thief so much that I rolled another Thief — and hated that too so I rolled a 3rd Thief.

Boy oh boy, it is a much better profession.

I recommend you guys give it a go, the first thief is not worth it — third time’s the charm.

I havn’t quit gotten sick of my 2nd thief. 1 for wvw/pve, another for pvp. 1st is a norn because cultural is BAMF for thief and death blossom is hysterical, 2nd is an asuran because he’s obnoxiously difficult to read in a duel.

My main and 2nd thief are humans, and the 3rd is a Sylvari. I might roll an Asura next.

Wasn’t there a guy with all thieves alts… sandsukal… sanduskel? Think a close relative of Burnfall (o.O what happened to him where’s his poetry).

And yeah warriors are so much more faceroll than thieves.

This is how i play mine….

I actually have 2 warrior alts — one is a shield display rack and the other is a greatsword display rack. They stand in the corner in my home instance’s heroic museum.

I too will be a Thief to the end, however i do agree that Warriors are a bit too strong not broken but significantly stronger then many of the other classes.

Runewolf.8456:

I too will be a Thief to the end, however i do agree that Warriors are a bit too strong not broken but significantly stronger then many of the other classes.

How are you judging strength? If you are using the ability to deal massive damage and survivability, then yeah, they are a bit stronger at the baseline.

However, they are too easy to deny damage and survivability that relative to any given situation, they are on par or even weaker than other classes. For instance, a Warrior vs. a Axe/Horn + Staff Minionmaster Necro — who do you think is stronger?

Sir Vincent III.1286:

For instance, a Warrior vs. a Axe/Horn + Staff Minionmaster Necro — who do you think is stronger?

You really have to specify what warriors, my settler shout s/s//lb(s/w//lb if heavy condi with traited warhorn) warr loves minion necros.
edit: actually he loves everything 1v1, except engis with the… “no condis under 25% hp” trait and (funny) glass mesmers with higher than average skill.
The drawback of that build on the other hand is the higher the number of combattants, the harder it falls off.

Pavel.8531:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

For instance, a Warrior vs. a Axe/Horn + Staff Minionmaster Necro — who do you think is stronger?

You really have to specify what warriors, my settler shout s/s//lb(s/w//lb if heavy condi with traited warhorn) warr loves minion necros.
edit: actually he loves everything 1v1, except engis with the… “no condis under 25% hp” trait and (funny) glass mesmers with higher than average skill.
The drawback of that build on the other hand is the higher the number of combattants, the harder it falls off.

You really think that your Warrior build is stronger than an Axe/Horn + Staff MM Necro? Well kudos to you if you really believe that.

thief has really sufferd compared to other classes

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Runewolf.8456:

I too will be a Thief to the end, however i do agree that Warriors are a bit too strong not broken but significantly stronger then many of the other classes.

How are you judging strength? If you are using the ability to deal massive damage and survivability, then yeah, they are a bit stronger at the baseline.

However, they are too easy to deny damage and survivability that relative to any given situation, they are on par or even weaker than other classes. For instance, a Warrior vs. a Axe/Horn + Staff Minionmaster Necro — who do you think is stronger?

I Personally haven’t played much Necro. Though like I said Wars are just a bit on the strong end in my experience, though honestly I think both are on the strong end of the spectrum especially in my playing over the past week neither of which feel as “insta win” as they did when I last binge played however I still think that Wars in particular have a bit too much survivability when combo’ed with the large amounts of CC and damage they can output compared to the other classes i have played (which is pretty much every one but necro)

Runewolf.8456:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Runewolf.8456:

I too will be a Thief to the end, however i do agree that Warriors are a bit too strong not broken but significantly stronger then many of the other classes.

How are you judging strength? If you are using the ability to deal massive damage and survivability, then yeah, they are a bit stronger at the baseline.

However, they are too easy to deny damage and survivability that relative to any given situation, they are on par or even weaker than other classes. For instance, a Warrior vs. a Axe/Horn + Staff Minionmaster Necro — who do you think is stronger?

I Personally haven’t played much Necro. Though like I said Wars are just a bit on the strong end in my experience, though honestly I think both are on the strong end of the spectrum especially in my playing over the past week neither of which feel as “insta win” as they did when I last binge played however I still think that Wars in particular have a bit too much survivability when combo’ed with the large amounts of CC and damage they can output compared to the other classes i have played (which is pretty much every one but necro)

The problem with MM Necro is that they can bunker and have the minions deal the damage on top of denying targets the mobility with the constant chill and cripple — you just can’t cleanse them often enough. It doesn’t matter if you can deal massive damage if you can’t get in melee range or your attack speed is hindered and your healing is denied.