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Posted by: Zera.8907

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I would like to be a thief in WvW. Would you believe me if I told you I actually have two thieves but have no kitten clue how to play one in WvW and not be a free bag. I’ve been a condi necro and power ranger since launch along with a power/condi mes and I’d love to main thief in prep of them potentially getting Rifle as I have Predator. Until then I’d like to be either a successful d/p dare devil or staff dare devil. I am mainly a solo roamer. I’ll zerg surf every now and then but I’d like to be to do good and win my 1’s. I’ve checked meta battle and for the staff DD there is this https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Daredevil_-_Staff_Daredevil

For the d/p build they have this https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Thief_-_D/P_Roamer . I know some swear by meta battle and the builds they offer but I’d like to know if these are correct or if anyone could point me in the right direction for a successful build for staff/sb or d-p/sb. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks all.

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Posted by: Wargameur.6950

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Those builds are ok, you can use them as they are.

Don’t hesitate to try out the variants proposed especially for d/p. The flow of the fight will be completely different

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Posted by: Mystogan.4157

Mystogan.4157

Check out terrissmo’s youtube channel. She has a good build for both metas. I love the sword for its mobility and boon rip. So i cant speak for staff or d/p i havent played either lol although i have an easier time fighting staff than d/p if that helps

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Posted by: sauceDinho.1085

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Sindrener is also a good thief to check out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klrXf8kgxwU

I’d say his build is more forgiving than Terissimo’s build

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Posted by: Mystogan.4157

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Lol true terrissmo tends to go full dps

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Posted by: Turk.5460

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Does anyone know how to go directly to the trait panel with one key like this person does at 9:13?

I couldn’t find a bind for it in the key bindings, so for years I’ve just been pressing h, then having to manually click the tab.

Edit: Oh, after looking at the video some more, it looks like he is using a macro, the mouse just appears in the correct locations… Is that even allowed?

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

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Does anyone know how to go directly to the trait panel with one key like this person does at 9:13?

I couldn’t find a bind for it in the key bindings, so for years I’ve just been pressing h, then having to manually click the tab.

Edit: Oh, after looking at the video some more, it looks like he is using a macro, the mouse just appears in the correct locations… Is that even allowed?

It isn’t allowed, which disappointed me. Begs questions about the legitimacy of past gameplay, too.
Sindrener is the best thief in the game and honestly more helpful in general if you’re not annoying and will actually try to improve.

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Posted by: Jana.6831

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Does anyone know how to go directly to the trait panel with one key like this person does at 9:13?

I couldn’t find a bind for it in the key bindings, so for years I’ve just been pressing h, then having to manually click the tab.

Edit: Oh, after looking at the video some more, it looks like he is using a macro, the mouse just appears in the correct locations… Is that even allowed?

No idea about the hero panel – but the mouse always being in teh right spot is something you get used to. I guess mine’s always where I need it as well – well almost always.
The person in the video is a ‘she’ btw.

And there’s a lot of good thieves in this game and according to what Deceiver told us how he’s playing (never saw it) – he should be the best – by far!

Good luck – and please don’t randomly accuse people to cheat or anything.

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Posted by: Mystogan.4157

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yishis is my favorite thief. he retired gw2 though. he has amazing gameplay and commentary

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Posted by: Jana.6831

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Wasn’t Yishi D/D? That wouldn’t help much nowadays.
Had a 1vs1 with a dragonhunter yesterday – he was a mithril rank, yes (likely gained in EotM) – my commentary would’ve been something like this:

Opened with CnD and steal to.. umm.. bait his trap, got a backstab in, switched to SB to apply pressure (and spam 3), then I created a gap (by running into the other direction in panic), I baited something, I notice I have very low health, but no dodge or withdraw availlable, I pray to god that my CnD+steal combo would work backwards, it did – got a nice backstab in, but am still low on health, switch back to SB to apply pressure.. I baited whatever, interrupt him and he’s down.

I’d go with Tassimos wvw montages actually, (or if Sinderer has any) – you might see a downed red haired thief in her videos – that’s me.

ETA: Just because someone tried to teach me how to tell what the other will do next and that’s also in videos with commentary: I doubt that anyone can really bait anything from people who have got their rotations (= anyone but thieves). You might bait a dodge but that means that the other has to know your moves and what you might do next. So I was having a giggle when listening to all this “I baited” talk.
D/D is a melee class and a real fight means that I don’t see the other most of the time, unlike D/P with is pretty much ranged.

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Posted by: Mystogan.4157

Mystogan.4157

yishis d./d and d/p and some p/d

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Posted by: Jana.6831

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yishis d./d and d/p and some p/d

Well, videos from some years ago..

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Posted by: Turk.5460

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Does anyone know how to go directly to the trait panel with one key like this person does at 9:13?

I couldn’t find a bind for it in the key bindings, so for years I’ve just been pressing h, then having to manually click the tab.

Edit: Oh, after looking at the video some more, it looks like he is using a macro, the mouse just appears in the correct locations… Is that even allowed?

No idea about the hero panel – but the mouse always being in teh right spot is something you get used to. I guess mine’s always where I need it as well – well almost always.
The person in the video is a ‘she’ btw.

And there’s a lot of good thieves in this game and according to what Deceiver told us how he’s playing (never saw it) – he should be the best – by far!

Good luck – and please don’t randomly accuse people to cheat or anything.

The hero panel comes up, the mouse “teleports” to the traits tab, then “teleports” to the trait – all in less than half a second. It is incredibly unlikely that precision and reaction time if human. Please don’t fanboy White Knight.

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Posted by: Zera.8907

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Thank you all very much for the info!

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

DeceiverX.8361

Does anyone know how to go directly to the trait panel with one key like this person does at 9:13?

I couldn’t find a bind for it in the key bindings, so for years I’ve just been pressing h, then having to manually click the tab.

Edit: Oh, after looking at the video some more, it looks like he is using a macro, the mouse just appears in the correct locations… Is that even allowed?

No idea about the hero panel – but the mouse always being in teh right spot is something you get used to. I guess mine’s always where I need it as well – well almost always.
The person in the video is a ‘she’ btw.

And there’s a lot of good thieves in this game and according to what Deceiver told us how he’s playing (never saw it) – he should be the best – by far!

Good luck – and please don’t randomly accuse people to cheat or anything.

Just regarding the trait swapping, it isn’t the mouse being in the right place; it magically just appears on the trait from totally different locations if you slow down the video.

Terrisimo has historically been good and has done a lot for the community, but Sindrener is the better thief (#1 in sPvP and winner of worlds with amazing displays in WvW) and I am severely disappointed in the very blatant macro use being displayed. Sind is also very helpful and usually willing to provide meaningful insight if you actually care to improve instead of camping outdated/bad kits like I do.

If you really look at the footage, the mouse doesn’t even move; within two frames it’s just outright changed locations. This isn’t a random accusation; Terrismo is actually just cheating in the aforementioned footage.

Min Scherzo is also very skilled, particularly with staff, and has consistently also been a top sPvP’er and impressive and WvW player in the past few years. If you’d prefer to use the staff, he’s the guy to ask about it.

And well, I can provide insight about D/D power, but let’s be honest: The kit is trash and won’t get you any real results while playing it.

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Posted by: kash.9213

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So did metabattle ditch Sinds frontline staff build or did he change it or did they mash it up with the old one? Anyway OP, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17ltPEglXKfavaA3LkuQmHI3x99i4Xc-TcLL6uH_uzpE/edit#gid=2079293457
JQ Militia thief staff build is still what most people will probably build into on their own playing staff for awhile anyway give or take whatever small changes your matchup needs. I’m not totally on board with their “medic” thief, I like Trickery and Headshot more when I’m playing a rescue/blast bot although that build does look like it can tether tighter around frontline. Metabattles roamer is alright, I like Rending Shade but SR is probably generally better for most. A lot of Rune of the Pack going on with that site but it wont take long to know what runes you’ll want anyway.

I think the conquest d/p build seems fine for general use although I’m using s/d with EA, Executioner, and Impact Strike with it most of the time. I’d probably stick with PI on d/p.

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Posted by: Jana.6831

Jana.6831

The hero panel comes up, the mouse “teleports” to the traits tab, then “teleports” to the trait – all in less than half a second. It is incredibly unlikely that precision and reaction time if human. Please don’t fanboy White Knight.

I’m not really convinced the mouse is a cheat, that’s all. Her mouse is around the same position but the cursore doesn’t show her moving to the exact traits, yes. But is it that much of an advantage? I don’t think so. A legal thing would be “Allow Skill Retargetting” which I think is a huge advantage. No idea if that’s set for every new player, if not they’re at disadvantage.

Sidenote: It’s one thing if you don’t get that Jana is a female name, another if you can’t distinguish a female from a male voice. Maybe try to have some more respect – I mean that.

And well, I can provide insight about D/D power, but let’s be honest: The kit is trash and won’t get you any real results while playing it.

(The other point is listed in my reply above)
I’m doing pretty fine, actually, surprisingly. I just have to fight my allies who call me vanilla trash all the time and who, in a 2 vs 2, run away, because I’m kitten – a 1 vs 2 I can’t survive.
And well, I’d love to have cis in master so I could have some sustain.

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Posted by: Alatar.7364

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Does anyone know how to go directly to the trait panel with one key like this person does at 9:13?

I couldn’t find a bind for it in the key bindings, so for years I’ve just been pressing h, then having to manually click the tab.

Edit: Oh, after looking at the video some more, it looks like he is using a macro, the mouse just appears in the correct locations… Is that even allowed?

No idea about the hero panel – but the mouse always being in teh right spot is something you get used to. I guess mine’s always where I need it as well – well almost always.
The person in the video is a ‘she’ btw.

And there’s a lot of good thieves in this game and according to what Deceiver told us how he’s playing (never saw it) – he should be the best – by far!

Good luck – and please don’t randomly accuse people to cheat or anything.

Just regarding the trait swapping, it isn’t the mouse being in the right place; it magically just appears on the trait from totally different locations if you slow down the video.

Terrisimo has historically been good and has done a lot for the community, but Sindrener is the better thief (#1 in sPvP and winner of worlds with amazing displays in WvW) and I am severely disappointed in the very blatant macro use being displayed. Sind is also very helpful and usually willing to provide meaningful insight if you actually care to improve instead of camping outdated/bad kits like I do.

If you really look at the footage, the mouse doesn’t even move; within two frames it’s just outright changed locations. This isn’t a random accusation; Terrismo is actually just cheating in the aforementioned footage.

Min Scherzo is also very skilled, particularly with staff, and has consistently also been a top sPvP’er and impressive and WvW player in the past few years. If you’d prefer to use the staff, he’s the guy to ask about it.

And well, I can provide insight about D/D power, but let’s be honest: The kit is trash and won’t get you any real results while playing it.

As long as I remember it is stated in the Anets own policy Policy: 3rd-Party programs; Multi-Boxing; Macros that Macros are allowed to be used as long as they won’t press more than one skill/click at one time. Is that not the case?

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Posted by: Turk.5460

Turk.5460

Sidenote: It’s one thing if you don’t get that Jana is a female name, another if you can’t distinguish a female from a male voice. Maybe try to have some more respect – I mean that.

I don’t watch gamer youtube videos with sound on. Sorry, not sorry.

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

DeceiverX.8361

Does anyone know how to go directly to the trait panel with one key like this person does at 9:13?

I couldn’t find a bind for it in the key bindings, so for years I’ve just been pressing h, then having to manually click the tab.

Edit: Oh, after looking at the video some more, it looks like he is using a macro, the mouse just appears in the correct locations… Is that even allowed?

No idea about the hero panel – but the mouse always being in teh right spot is something you get used to. I guess mine’s always where I need it as well – well almost always.
The person in the video is a ‘she’ btw.

And there’s a lot of good thieves in this game and according to what Deceiver told us how he’s playing (never saw it) – he should be the best – by far!

Good luck – and please don’t randomly accuse people to cheat or anything.

Just regarding the trait swapping, it isn’t the mouse being in the right place; it magically just appears on the trait from totally different locations if you slow down the video.

Terrisimo has historically been good and has done a lot for the community, but Sindrener is the better thief (#1 in sPvP and winner of worlds with amazing displays in WvW) and I am severely disappointed in the very blatant macro use being displayed. Sind is also very helpful and usually willing to provide meaningful insight if you actually care to improve instead of camping outdated/bad kits like I do.

If you really look at the footage, the mouse doesn’t even move; within two frames it’s just outright changed locations. This isn’t a random accusation; Terrismo is actually just cheating in the aforementioned footage.

Min Scherzo is also very skilled, particularly with staff, and has consistently also been a top sPvP’er and impressive and WvW player in the past few years. If you’d prefer to use the staff, he’s the guy to ask about it.

And well, I can provide insight about D/D power, but let’s be honest: The kit is trash and won’t get you any real results while playing it.

As long as I remember it is stated in the Anets own policy Policy: 3rd-Party programs; Multi-Boxing; Macros that Macros are allowed to be used as long as they won’t press more than one skill/click at one time. Is that not the case?

Moving the mouse and clicking the trait is two actions, even if we assume the menu is being opened and closed manually.

Otherwise it’s four and five with the mouse moving back respectively.

A similar macro using AA and click to move would be called a bot, which is also illegal.