Guild Wars 2

No really. Thank you. I see a lot of you in wvw and this helps me realize you know what you are doing in your choices to balance classes. I’ve played a thief since launch, and it is still my only level 80. I absolutely love how it plays.

Thank you for nerfing the cheesy builds, since, well, they all deserved it during their time. D/p perma stealth build is by far the worst of them and you guys decided to finally change it which will cause people to think thieves are bad now (not just thief players). This is incredible because the ceiling to play a thief well has just been raised, and a lot of the people that play d/p will realize their “skill” wasn’t too great after all. Since a lot of people will still undoubtedly see these players still running around on their thieves, and start doing much better against them I thank you. You have opened up my build and people will underestimate the better played thieves., thus creating more victories for them.

To d/p players. All is not lost. Thief is a great class with many more viable specs than you might think. We are not a face roll glass cannon class but more a war of attrition class now, especially with initiative as our source, and not cool downs. We should be able to out last opponents with grace, positioning, and spending unitive wisely. I look forward to the patch, and hope everyone else does too.

I don’t see why people think D/P is going to be dead. Sure, you won’t be able to really perma stealth anymore, but if you are going to be actively fighting somebody, I doubt you would anyways

Stompy.1387:

I don’t see why people think D/P is going to be dead. Sure, you won’t be able to really perma stealth anymore, but if you are going to be actively fighting somebody, I doubt you would anyways

9 init, 7 if traited to stealth vs. 5 init or 3 if traited.

I will try to use D/P after patch, but if it doesn’t work I quit because D/D is even more broken.

swinsk.6410:

Stompy.1387:

I don’t see why people think D/P is going to be dead. Sure, you won’t be able to really perma stealth anymore, but if you are going to be actively fighting somebody, I doubt you would anyways

9 init, 7 if traited to stealth vs. 5 init or 3 if traited.

I will try to use D/P after patch, but if it doesn’t work I quit because D/D is even more broken.

D/P wasn’t made for constant stealth, It’s more for blind. I personally played D/P very effectively (PvE/WvW) without ever even knowing about the stealth exploit. You just have to play with the traits. I run D/D now, and I don’t know how you think it’s more broken. The stealth is achieved by contact with the enemy and can miss very easily. There is no risk with D/P exploit.

Nice post, OP. with the changes you promised, we will have a much better reputation as a class that actually requires some skill, versus a parlor trick that abuses multiple mechanics. Some of us welcome these changes with open arms. Thanks again!

kbenton.4915:

No really. Thank you. I see a lot of you in wvw and this helps me realize you know what you are doing in your choices to balance classes. I’ve played a thief since launch, and it is still my only level 80. I absolutely love how it plays.

Thank you for nerfing the cheesy builds, since, well, they all deserved it during their time. D/p perma stealth build is by far the worst of them and you guys decided to finally change it which will cause people to think thieves are bad now (not just thief players). This is incredible because the ceiling to play a thief well has just been raised, and a lot of the people that play d/p will realize their “skill” wasn’t too great after all. Since a lot of people will still undoubtedly see these players still running around on their thieves, and start doing much better against them I thank you. You have opened up my build and people will underestimate the better played thieves., thus creating more victories for them.

To d/p players. All is not lost. Thief is a great class with many more viable specs than you might think. We are not a face roll glass cannon class but more a war of attrition class now, especially with initiative as our source, and not cool downs. We should be able to out last opponents with grace, positioning, and spending unitive wisely. I look forward to the patch, and hope everyone else does too.

so usefull in 1 v 1….oh wait….there is no 1v1 part of the game. its GUILD wars. technically ur right but its useless.

OP, did they pay you to post this?

Arcuss.6457:

swinsk.6410:

Stompy.1387:

I don’t see why people think D/P is going to be dead. Sure, you won’t be able to really perma stealth anymore, but if you are going to be actively fighting somebody, I doubt you would anyways

9 init, 7 if traited to stealth vs. 5 init or 3 if traited.

I will try to use D/P after patch, but if it doesn’t work I quit because D/D is even more broken.

D/P wasn’t made for constant stealth, It’s more for blind. I personally played D/P very effectively (PvE/WvW) without ever even knowing about the stealth exploit. You just have to play with the traits. I run D/D now, and I don’t know how you think it’s more broken. The stealth is achieved by contact with the enemy and can miss very easily. There is no risk with D/P exploit.

D/D is more broken because it lacks blinds, good gap close, and #3 and #4 skill are useless in a power build. The synergy just isn’t there with D/D and you need to run valk gear or something else to cope with no blinds or you have to give up condi removal. D/P is the best weaponset we have, not sure why you wouldn’t use it.

swinsk.6410:

Arcuss.6457:

swinsk.6410:

Stompy.1387:

I don’t see why people think D/P is going to be dead. Sure, you won’t be able to really perma stealth anymore, but if you are going to be actively fighting somebody, I doubt you would anyways

9 init, 7 if traited to stealth vs. 5 init or 3 if traited.

I will try to use D/P after patch, but if it doesn’t work I quit because D/D is even more broken.

D/P wasn’t made for constant stealth, It’s more for blind. I personally played D/P very effectively (PvE/WvW) without ever even knowing about the stealth exploit. You just have to play with the traits. I run D/D now, and I don’t know how you think it’s more broken. The stealth is achieved by contact with the enemy and can miss very easily. There is no risk with D/P exploit.

D/D is more broken because it lacks blinds, good gap close, and #3 and #4 skill are useless in a power build. The synergy just isn’t there with D/D and you need to run valk gear or something else to cope with no blinds or you have to give up condi removal. D/P is the best weaponset we have, not sure why you wouldn’t use it.

swinks is 100% right. p/d is the only other set thats reeally good. and even that doesnt have the synergy d/p has. d/p is the most balanced set. period. p/d is arguablly a better build but thats due to traits/gear etc etc. P/D might be the best synergy in game dare i say. to bad anet cant get the rest right

Cynz.9437:

OP, did they pay you to post this?

Lol no. Why? Do you think I should have tried to get some $???

But all joking aside, d/p is not “balanced”. Stealth should be hard(er) to achieve than having a simple combo field that doesn’t require you to hit anything. Stealth is the source for all complaining with the thief, and this is by far the easiest and most consistent way of achieving it through a weapon set.

kbenton.4915:

Cynz.9437:

OP, did they pay you to post this?

Lol no. Why? Do you think I should have tried to get some $???

But all joking aside, d/p is not “balanced”. Stealth should be hard(er) to achieve than having a simple combo field that doesn’t require you to hit anything. Stealth is the source for all complaining with the thief, and this is by far the easiest and most consistent way of achieving it through a weapon set.

it is very conditional. 1.5 seconds of stealth for 9 initiative? is that so OP? for it to give perma stealth…..NOBODY must be near you….so they must be dumb enough to stay away….

It’s not hard to aim a heartseeker away from people. I played the spec for a month and left it because of how cheesy it was. I’m talking about the spec how it currently is. It’s currently broken.

kbenton.4915:

No really. Thank you. I see a lot of you in wvw and this helps me realize you know what you are doing in your choices to balance classes. I’ve played a thief since launch, and it is still my only level 80. I absolutely love how it plays.

Thank you for nerfing the cheesy builds, since, well, they all deserved it during their time. D/p perma stealth build is by far the worst of them and you guys decided to finally change it which will cause people to think thieves are bad now (not just thief players). This is incredible because the ceiling to play a thief well has just been raised, and a lot of the people that play d/p will realize their “skill” wasn’t too great after all. Since a lot of people will still undoubtedly see these players still running around on their thieves, and start doing much better against them I thank you. You have opened up my build and people will underestimate the better played thieves., thus creating more victories for them.

To d/p players. All is not lost. Thief is a great class with many more viable specs than you might think. We are not a face roll glass cannon class but more a war of attrition class now, especially with initiative as our source, and not cool downs. We should be able to out last opponents with grace, positioning, and spending unitive wisely. I look forward to the patch, and hope everyone else does too.

Did p/d just call d/p faceroll? Sorry but that’s kittening funny. P/D is the ultimate in cheesy-trollness and I’ll still be able to smash that build easily post patch. Maybe someday p/d will have a high skill ceiling but Dec 10th won’t be that day.

kbenton.4915:

We are not a face roll glass cannon class but more a war of attrition class now

No?

The profession will break Dec 10th. It isn’t fun and it’s getting less fun every patch so those who havn’t figured it out how bad this profession is yet will move onto a different profession. I’ll give new thieves 2 months max before they start feeling the suck.