Guild Wars 2

I was watching #TrapMasterFlex ReinF.‘s videos. You know, the Trapper build. Yes yes I know it’s not knew but still….

I couldn’t help but wonder about the huge gameplay shock that is gonna hit us on BWE and from that point on. I am thinking about Berserker’s taunts and burns, Revenant low CD Reveal, Dragon Hunter big CD Reveal, including the already existing anti-stealth moves.
Just looking at these skills makes D/P meta build barely viable. Especially in Outnumbered fights cause It will be GG 5 secs. So this clearly also applies to trapper builds, and any other build that requires the player to masterfully manage the Cloak & Dagger or Black Smoke+ HS combo. (Which is every fun build we ever had! )

No amount of preparation could help us get ready for that BWE. It’s gonna be a perilous ride aboard the nopetrain even with the Daredevil. S/D probably could prepare us a little…

I don’t know maybe I am just freaking out and I am just tired. This coming tide makes me feel like anything with Dagger offhand will die.

I dare you to use Shadow Refuge in WvW after BWE lol, the amount of pain will make you immediately regret the decision.

While ‘Reveal’ is becoming easier to access for multiple classes, at this time it’s still is a specific skill or trait they have to take in order to do so. I don’t think a ton of players are spec’ing for Reveal abilities at the moment and to be reasonably honest, I think it’s only fair to give some form of reveal skills to other classes.

The NEW reveal skills are a bit worrying. The dragonhunter one is a little insane. I really hope they don’t keep adding reveal effects rolled into big damage skills like that for a lot of classes. More subtle ones like the Shiro one I can deal with.

I think most the thief community feels a little beat up and tired at the moment and it doesn’t help they’re saving our elite spec for the end and we still don’t even have a confirmed weapon yet. If indeed our spec doesn’t help us out at all, or they feel the need to not help us out in our other trait lines, it’s going to be a sad.

For these reasons, I’ve learned to live without Shadow Refuge. I have finally weaned myself off it. :P

must not engage fights…. must not engage fights…. must not engage fights <<<my mantra after patch

YOUNGaz.5690:

I think most the thief community feels a little beat up and tired at the moment and it doesn’t help they’re saving our elite spec for the end and we still don’t even have a confirmed weapon yet. If indeed our spec doesn’t help us out at all, or they feel the need to not help us out in our other trait lines, it’s going to be a sad.

While I think Reveal may soon become a huge game-changer for the class, I really am more and more worried about how this Elite will shape up and whether we’ll even make it to the next BWE.

And frankly, while all of us are saying “it’s staff,” we’ve yet to get any sort of hard confirmation to be sure of it. Hell, we all saw what happened to Tempest even after they were teased with having a sword.

After Dragonhunter and Tempest, it’s really hard to feel good about this reveal … whenever it will be. And I swear, if it’s anything other than staff (or focus would be nice, too), I might just quit. I’ve become too invested in my thief character to ever get the same level of enjoyment and wonder out of any of the others. Nostalgia is grand and all, but it really does turn poisonous once things go bitter.

And kitten it all, tings weren’t great before the big Overhaul Patch, but at least we weren’t a complete joke.

My concern right now are that thieves are completely focused around two defensive tactics, blinds, and stealth.

Blinds are alright, but they’ve been nerfed on occasion, and aren’t going to be as strong in the future. With increasing access to resistance and a break bar (which I believe stops blinds), the ability to defend ourselves with blinding attacks is going to diminish.

Stealth is the OP’s main concern, and it is still a good one. While stealth gives us the ability to run away, it doesn’t ensure victory in a fight. Also, more and more classes are getting anti-stealth mechanics. Stealth can help a tricky thief sometimes avoid damage, but it isn’t a surefire thing.

What we need is a serious buff to the acro line. If we had evades longside of blinds and stealth we would be good, but currently acro is so subpar single traits are frequently more powerful than acros’ cumulative effects.

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

My concern right now are that thieves are completely focused around two defensive tactics, blinds, and stealth.

Blinds are alright, but they’ve been nerfed on occasion, and aren’t going to be as strong in the future. With increasing access to resistance and a break bar (which I believe stops blinds), the ability to defend ourselves with blinding attacks is going to diminish.

Stealth is the OP’s main concern, and it is still a good one. While stealth gives us the ability to run away, it doesn’t ensure victory in a fight. Also, more and more classes are getting anti-stealth mechanics. Stealth can help a tricky thief sometimes avoid damage, but it isn’t a surefire thing.

What we need is a serious buff to the acro line. If we had evades longside of blinds and stealth we would be good, but currently acro is so subpar single traits are frequently more powerful than acros’ cumulative effects.

I completely agree. As a Thief main who is honestly terrible with Sw/D, as a D/P user I fully rely on stealth to sustain myself in a fight (and I’ve noticed after the patch I’m spending more and more time flipping around doing my 5-2 shenanigans clearing ludicrously damaging condis and healing from some pretty insane damage numbers than I am actually hitting stuff.) so with all the anti-stealth skills being given to the other classes, I’m sorta… worried.
Obviously this wouldn’t be such a huge issue if Acrobatics was actually a trait line that was worth taking over, say, Trickery or Shadow Arts, but it’s just not. It just doesn’t provide the sustain that I think we’ll so desperately need.

I think the worst reveal skill, is actually the trait from engineer that applies it if you hit them while they are stealthed!

Put on a flame thrower and go hunting, no stealth class can escape you.

Maybe anet adds a lots of reveal skill because stealth will be unlimited ?

taunt’s a big one too. it can be just as bad (make you walk out of SR, make you attack while stealthed)

I don’t mind reveal per se, it’s a counter and an evil one.

But what I do mind is the classes that can reveal, but also being able to stealth. Why can a thief, supposed master of the stealth, not have the ability to reveal too?

Glad I wasn’t just being paranoid. I am gonna go back and start playing with my Pack runes without Shadow Refuge. I pray to God they fix Acrobatics because it seems like this core trait line will be, once again, our new must-spec. After BWE.

Some of you pointed out that not everybody is going to spec reveal skills just to kitten us off. You are absolutely right, not everybody will. However, the option exists and I would rather be ready for it and have an adapted trait and skill set, than get in a fight and stumble on one of them. Again, outnumbered fights. The risk of not taking into account reveal utility skills, or a taunts is too great.

I’ve pretty much lost all faith in this game, and the various reveals being added go to show it’s going nowhere fast. Someone on the dev team must really hate stealth.

Thief is the only class I’ve ever really enjoyed in GW2, looks like it’s time to just give up and move on to other things.

How’s all that speccing for reveal going to work out against an army of revenants and elementalists?

NinjaEd.3946:

I think the worst reveal skill, is actually the trait from engineer that applies it if you hit them while they are stealthed!

Put on a flame thrower and go hunting, no stealth class can escape you.

I recently was doing some duels and I stumbled across an engi that had this trait. I tried everything I possibly could to actually be able to beat him, but it was purely impossible. It’s kind of ridiculous that one single trait can counter an ENTIRE build. This doesn’t make sense from a balance standpoint, especially because one of our main and only condi clears is based on being in stealth. My hopes are that we get caithe elite and can stealth 5 evr with no reveal. Incoming Q.Q.’

No but seriously, maybe anet has plans for a move that removes revealed debuff (one time). Or like others stated, giving us our evasive thieves back.

A trait that’s useless against elementalists and revenants.

YOUNGaz.5690:

While ‘Reveal’ is becoming easier to access for multiple classes, at this time it’s still is a specific skill or trait they have to take in order to do so. I don’t think a ton of players are spec’ing for Reveal abilities at the moment and to be reasonably honest, I think it’s only fair to give some form of reveal skills to other classes.

The NEW reveal skills are a bit worrying. The dragonhunter one is a little insane. I really hope they don’t keep adding reveal effects rolled into big damage skills like that for a lot of classes. More subtle ones like the Shiro one I can deal with.

I think most the thief community feels a little beat up and tired at the moment and it doesn’t help they’re saving our elite spec for the end and we still don’t even have a confirmed weapon yet. If indeed our spec doesn’t help us out at all, or they feel the need to not help us out in our other trait lines, it’s going to be a sad.

The engineer trait is a little strong. I think sic em was a more balanced approach. Sic em you had to
1. use a valuable utility slot
2. had a 40 second cooldown, so It was not so spammable
3. had to at least kind of skillfully time it so that you could get a thief while they were out of stealth
The engi trait Doesn’t need to worry about any of this
1. takes up a trait slot
2. 25 second cooldown
3. Just hit a thief with anything while they are stealthed and the trait comes into effect.

Please balance anet, either give us something to counter this, or nerf the existing problems.

I’d like for the revealed trait to give protection during revealed as well.

You know what’s the sad part of all this…

Currently there’s still some hype going on. Attention is drawn to other classes due to their elite specs being revealed…

Come our time for the reveal, and we WILL get a flood of QQ’s about how X/Y/Z is so OP… Since people will be reminded that this class still exists…
<sigh>

I’m kind of thankful about not pre-purchasing… At the same time, still on the fence, just to play it for the sake of 1 play through and maybe (finally) build a legendary while sticking my head in the sand and pretending the game is so cheery, everything else after can go kitten itself. And there’s no way in hell am I going to spend a cent on gems – I just don’t really support some of the decisions that they have made in the past and will probably make in the future.

Same situation here. I am fully ready to buy Deluxe edition, but if they don’t announce any trait repairs, rebalance patches, and reveal a sex daredevil; I am affraid I might just stop playing, take a long break of several months… Other classes are not as appealing as the thief.

Kocoff.7582:

Same situation here. I am fully ready to buy Deluxe edition, but if they don’t announce any trait repairs, rebalance patches, and reveal a sex daredevil; I am affraid I might just stop playing, take a long break of several months… Other classes are not as appealing as the thief.

I’m pretty much waiting for thief reveal to determine my purchase of HoT. If thief gets killed I probably won’t be playing this game until they make it viable (assuming it gets rekt by anet). There’s more than enough player feedback and info on the last 2 pages of forums that I’ll refrain from making a wall of text. Anet has all the resources to make thief fun and enjoyable for HoT, I just hope they utilize it.

Any news when will they going to fix Revealed? i mean why am i keep getting this absurd Special debuff when i do my burst? this Bug has been forgotten and need of fixing.

Chapell.1346:

Any news when will they going to fix Revealed? i mean why am i keep getting this absurd Special debuff when i do my burst? this Bug has been forgotten and need of fixing.

lol fix reveal? what fix? we both know reveal is going to stay here permanently.

What? meh.. wer’re Doomed.