The Sandwich (Deincentivising Thief)

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Posted by: Snow.2506

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  • The news goes out and Chef Anet is opening a new restaurant. It’s like the old restaurant only it looks better and has a big 2 beside it’s name.

(I promise this will make sense)

  • We learn that this new restaurant won’t have all of the same meals, some of our old “usuals” will be replaced. Ok, this is reasonable. New horizons and all. Still many of us wonder what will become of the old Assassin Burger. Will it be replaced? It was hard to find on the menu anyway and kept changing it’s location.
  • Thief sandwich? Ok. It’s like a burger, fills the same role, has similar fillings. The hype hits.
  • Some lucky kittens get to try the sandwich first. And oh, is it brilliant. It kicks hunger in the teeth and is such a joy to eat that one minute it is there and the next…gone. Sandwich lovers everywhere are optimistic and trust in Chef Anet runs high.
  • But things change, ideas change. Some time after launch of the restaurant, Anet receives complaints about Thief Sandwich, specifically during it’s food competitions. It’s just there and gone, so tasty that the people eating it just won’t stop. The Soup loyalists and pasta die-hards suggest that the sandwich is broken. It must be fixed.
  • In response Chef Anet rips out the tomato and lettuce. Ok, we can deal right? That’s not even the main part of the sandwich.
  • But the complaints don’t cease and the Chef gets heavy handed, having their own doubts about the meal. Out comes the meat. The kitten kittening meat! (This dramatisation is in no way a reflection on it’s vegetarian author) So we sandwich lovers take a step back and look at our meal. Some of us even get up and walk away from the table or order something else. But not us survivors, no, we persevere. We take our bread and cheese and we grill that kitten! We make grilled cheese, we make the best of a bad situation. And grilled cheese works, against all reason it works. We find our niche. I mean grilled cheese is a staple. No one does cheddar like grilled cheese.
  • And then a new wing of the restaurant is announced. We have high hopes but we know everything there is going to be expensive and hidden behind a wall. A wall we have to pay to get around. And holy? All the salad! What is Chef Anet thinking? Didn’t we have enough salad as is? Ok, I can ignore that. I can even ignore all the potted plants and greenery they are adding to the wing. The customisable bar where groups of friends can hang out looks neat. I also hear our meal is going to have some special sides added to it maybe? Maybe some new elite bread? Maybe a long range straw for our cups? I mean seriously, the short utility straw we currently have won’t even reach the bottom.
  • And there goes our cheese. What?? Why?! Why Chef Anet? That…. that’s all we had to make us work. Who will order this meal now?
  • Oh they… they just gave the new elite Daredevil’s Club Sandwich our cheese.. only they aged it some.
  • And a toothpick. They jabbed a stick in it.
  • The new wing launches, and it launches with a few sandwich lovers less to be sure. But some of us hopefuls, we pay to get into the special wing. The menu is a jungle of options and it does some to hide the fact that they only added 4 slightly smaller tables to the wing. I can overlook that, though, where is my new sandwich? Oh right pulls the toothpick out useless thing.
  • Everywhere people are flocking to the Revenant Sub; hey it has a toothpick too. And the DragonHunter Burger Delux can be found at almost every table. Our table is a bit small, those of us that remain. But we try our bests to find our way around this new meal (Maybe we shouldn’t have tossed the toothpick after-all).
  • But ultimately it all just seems so….hollow. The Mesmerising Desert disappears just as easily as our sandwich does. And it tastes so good that it’s like time slows. The burger and the sub both hit hunger harder. And I mean, we have this improved cheese just jumping all over the place in terms of flavour….but where is the rest?

A few facts to point out. When Anet wants to get rid of a game feature, they de-incentivise it, (Dungeons) they basically make you go, “Why bother?” Anet prides it’s self on being “different” And “thief” is about as true and tried a fantasy trope as the holy trinity. Anet has absolutely no problem with retconning things such as how old lore has been changed by current lore canon. And WHEN they retcon, they just give you something they feel is better. Revenant has a melee staff, Mesmer can stealth, and now everyone seems to have improved mobility.
We are the fading. We are the retconned.
This is why Anet won’t address thief flaws and core class issues. They just want us to fade away. Sure we will still be there, on the menu. But now we are just two soggy slices of bread beneath barely readable type.

Here Lies Thief.

But I’m not giving up. I think there is something viable in all this mess, and I will not quietly stealth into the night. I will not dine on some meal I can barely stomach. I will take this toothpick and jab into my enemies eye defiantly. I will keep hotjoining with different builds and gear until that old mantra, “Holy crap, there is a thief on my kitten!” will be heard again.

For the love of the high damage, high mobility, glass cannon. Thief to the bitter end.

(edited by Snow.2506)

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Posted by: Cynz.9437

Cynz.9437

I truly enjoyed this read. Just one thing: they took away the meat and cheese so they can sell new revenant sub.

All is Vain~
[Teef] guild :>

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Posted by: Serious Thought.5394

Serious Thought.5394

10/10 would read again. But remember, Chef Anet loves Thief. That’s why they let us retain our bread. Our tears at the table made them realize some of us really enjoyed our sandwich once upon a time. They just refuse to invest in it, seeing as their previous choices have caused an outward exodus in the restaurant a few times.

Great story though. I bet this gets deleted or I get infracted. At this point though, they have to know. But Chef Anet refuses to speak, invest time, to listen, to adjust. I miss Anet on release and during Revenant and during Beta. They talked to us and listened, especially Sous-Chef Karl. Where have they gone =(?

Worst Thief in the world, yes I am.

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Posted by: Snow.2506

Snow.2506

Heh, I just noticed the “toothpick” in your signature. Totally didn’t thief that.

For the love of the high damage, high mobility, glass cannon. Thief to the bitter end.

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Posted by: AlCojester.4316

AlCojester.4316

Just one thing I’d change:

I will not quietly stealth run away into the night.

Since we’re no longer “masters of stealth”. This has got to be one of the best things I’ve read in a long time. I lost it at “DragonHunter Burger Delux”… bloody brilliant.

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Posted by: Reem.3578

Reem.3578

Holy pink quaggan this is amazing!!! O_O i will sure read it again just reminded me how i love this class… i think it’s time to give my thief some love. <3 after all, she’s having a bad time at the moment…
I order thief-burger right now! :P

Hestia Shadowalker,

THIEF.

“You judge too much with your eyes alone…”

And yes, i play [Teef] :)

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Posted by: Azure The Heartless.3261

Azure The Heartless.3261

Brilliant/10.

/15toothpicks

Resident Disgruntled, Coffee-drinking Charr.
Zarin Mistcloak(THF) Valkyrie Mistblade(WAR) Kossori Mistwalker(REV) Durendal Mistward(GRD)
I used to think (build op, pls nerf) like you, but then I took a nerf to the knee.

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Posted by: Snow.2506

Snow.2506

Thank you for the compliments. And yeah, I really should strike out stealth to run away.

For the love of the high damage, high mobility, glass cannon. Thief to the bitter end.

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Posted by: Fat Disgrace.4275

Fat Disgrace.4275

Haha amazing, reverent sub lol.

Fat Disgrace (banned) Man Flu Survivor – war/The Cabbage -Thief (gunners hold / [TaG])

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

I was actually anticipating that the meat from the Thief burger was cut in half making it thinner instead of taken away and used one of the halfs to make the Daredevil burger — and the expansion introduces lettuces wraps. Then they take the original Thief burger recipe and added some legendary addon, like bacon, and sell it as the Revenant burger.

Ah, but oh well, still a good read.

http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

SlayerSixx.5763

You’re doing god’s work, daughter.

(edited by SlayerSixx.5763)

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Posted by: Snow.2506

Snow.2506

You’re doing god’s work, son.

That would actually be “Daughter”. But thank you.

For the love of the high damage, high mobility, glass cannon. Thief to the bitter end.

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Posted by: pepper.6179

pepper.6179

this was a great read. thank you for posting lol

[SA]

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Posted by: Eisenwald.8562

Eisenwald.8562

You’re doing god’s work, son.

That would actually be “Daughter”. But thank you.

Daughter? Marry me!? >_>

Thanks for the read. Cheered me up in these dark times sort of…

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

SlayerSixx.5763

You’re doing god’s work, son.

That would actually be “Daughter”. But thank you.

Edited just cuz the post was that amazing.

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Posted by: Snow.2506

Snow.2506

You’re doing god’s work, son.

That would actually be “Daughter”. But thank you.

Edited just cuz the post was that amazing.

Aww, thank you. It was an analogy that originally came out of a rant to a non thief playing friend about how badly we’ve been nerfed over time. I may have been hungry at the time.

For the love of the high damage, high mobility, glass cannon. Thief to the bitter end.

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Posted by: Snow.2506

Snow.2506

You’re doing god’s work, son.

That would actually be “Daughter”. But thank you.

Daughter? Marry me!? >_>

Thanks for the read. Cheered me up in these dark times sort of…

You don’t want to fall for thief girls. We’ll just stab you in the back.

For the love of the high damage, high mobility, glass cannon. Thief to the bitter end.

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Posted by: Eisenwald.8562

Eisenwald.8562

You’re doing god’s work, son.

That would actually be “Daughter”. But thank you.

Daughter? Marry me!? >_>

Thanks for the read. Cheered me up in these dark times sort of…

You don’t want to fall for thief girls. We’ll just stab you in the back.

I’m used to being back stabbed by Anet, I’ll be okay. I’m a big thief

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

SlayerSixx.5763

ANet doesn’t stab you the back. They smack you square in the face with their nerf bat.

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Posted by: Eisenwald.8562

Eisenwald.8562

ANet doesn’t stab you the back. They smack you square in the face with their nerf bat.

Shhh…you’re ruining my lines mate! :O I’m trying to woo a woman here!

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

SlayerSixx.5763

Oh, my bad. I haven’t been a wingman for a while x.×.

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Posted by: NinjaEd.3946

NinjaEd.3946

Perfect way to describe why I don’t play anymore. Try to push myself to rejoin given how much I have done but… the nerfs….

Some people are obviously stronger than me for sticking around despite the nerfs but I have simply given up. I tried random “sandwiches” to spice up my gameplay but at the end of it all, thief is a dying class and being my absolute main class, is really demoralizing. I’m glad to see a tid bit more interaction with thief with Karl but it simply is not enough with how well the other profession’s are performing in our fields of expertise and I have no tolerance with a company that forces you to change your way of thinking to enjoy its product.

You brought me in on an exciting and enjoyable thought only to take it away with nothing in return. R.I.P

“I’m waiting for the staff to get off their lunch
break. I feel like they should be back by now..”

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Posted by: Eisenwald.8562

Eisenwald.8562

Woe is me! Where has my lady friend gone it’s okay slayer…I forgive you. We’ll get the next one.

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

Woe is me! Where has my lady friend gone it’s okay slayer…I forgive you. We’ll get the next one.

It seems she prefer a different sandwich.

http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.

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Posted by: Snow.2506

Snow.2506

Woe is me! Where has my lady friend gone it’s okay slayer…I forgive you. We’ll get the next one.

I have no words. Which is saying a lot for me. Or not saying a lot, I suppose.

For the love of the high damage, high mobility, glass cannon. Thief to the bitter end.

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Posted by: thunderfall.8095

thunderfall.8095

Of course you don’t have words. You haven’t said anything. You have just pressed down on pieces of plastic to send electronical messages received throughout the world viewable to anyone with a computer, who than can “read” the message and transfer it to a coherent sentence.

Mesmers be like: I reject your reality and substitute my own. – compliments to Mythbusters
Plot Twist: Elder Dragons are massive robots created by the Black Lion Trading Company.
Think of the money they make off weapons and armor…

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

SlayerSixx.5763

-slaps-

Yudodismeng?

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Posted by: Snow.2506

Snow.2506

Of course you don’t have words. You haven’t said anything. You have just pressed down on pieces of plastic to send electronical messages received throughout the world viewable to anyone with a computer, who than can “read” the message and transfer it to a coherent sentence.

Not to pick a knit… But words are words, whether spoken or written.
OR typed.

For the love of the high damage, high mobility, glass cannon. Thief to the bitter end.

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Posted by: thunderfall.8095

thunderfall.8095

I never said she didn’t type words. I just said she was typing not speaking.

Mesmers be like: I reject your reality and substitute my own. – compliments to Mythbusters
Plot Twist: Elder Dragons are massive robots created by the Black Lion Trading Company.
Think of the money they make off weapons and armor…

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

I never said she didn’t type words. I just said she was typing not speaking.

But you didn’t said anything. You have just pressed down on pieces of plastic to send electronic messages received throughout the world viewable to anyone with a computer, who then can “read” the message and transfer it to a coherent sentence.

http://sirvincentiii.com ~ In the beginning…there was Tarnished Coast…
Full set of 5 unique skills for both dual-wield weapon sets: P/P and D/D – Make it happen
PvE – DD/CS/AC – If that didn’t work, roll a Reaper or Revenant.

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Posted by: Fat Disgrace.4275

Fat Disgrace.4275

I fancy a delue rev burger and a DH sub with extra salt

Fat Disgrace (banned) Man Flu Survivor – war/The Cabbage -Thief (gunners hold / [TaG])

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

SlayerSixx.5763

I never said she didn’t type words. I just said she was typing not speaking.

But you didn’t said anything. You have just pressed down on pieces of plastic to send electronic messages received throughout the world viewable to anyone with a computer, who then can “read” the message and transfer it to a coherent sentence.

That’s the forum version of backstabbing a dude as he backstabs your team mate. You must take this thief roleplay seriously, Vincent.

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Posted by: DeceiverX.8361

DeceiverX.8361

Beautiful, OP. +1

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Posted by: Snow.2506

Snow.2506

Arena net’s sandwich builds leave something to be desired so we end up resorting to salt.

For the love of the high damage, high mobility, glass cannon. Thief to the bitter end.

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Posted by: Rin.1046

Rin.1046

A well written and fun read, Snow. +1

I personally still love the thief, and love the daredevil even more, so my cheese only sandwich still tastes amazing to me. But I do see why most thief players are unhappy.

I have a different way of looking at the professions, and have a different analogy. Instead of each prof being a different type of meal, they are all (apart from thief) a different type of pizza. A pizza is an ideal meal to share among your friends. When they are hungry, you can pull off a slice and help them out. What does the thief get? A very tasty calzone. Sure it tastes just as good as a pizza, but it is not very good for sharing.

The thief (and daredevil) has great capabilities, but what they severally lack, compared to ALL other professions, is group support options. Sure, they can stealth allies, but that is very situational. They can share venoms, but they sacrifice too much to achieve that. All other profs can give boons with only slight changes to their builds, the thief has to dramatically reduce other areas if they hope to compete, and that to me is the only real issue with the thief.

They deal great damage, are great at avoiding damage if played right, and have good control options. But they have very restricted and crippling support options, and I really hope that one day Anet will give us that normal pizza option, so we can give slices to our friends and help them out a bit more.

Simplicity is complex.

Good feedback is key to getting the developers to listen to you.

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Posted by: MakubeC.3026

MakubeC.3026

Your post made me think: Why do I keep eating this kitten?
But is just that I really love this kitten!
Kitten hellkitten! Give me more of it Sous-Chef Karl-onii-chan!