Guild Wars 2

They have an encounter in Lion’s Arch, they’ve got 30/30/30/30/30 on all of their traits, they are both completely armed. Both combatants have extensive knowledge of one another, and are elites at their professions.
Who do you think comes out on top?

For me thief.. But still depends on your fighting style..

thief hands down

Kain.3485:

thief hands down

How so?

Oohhh…. In actual scenarios, most likely the Mesmer. But with 30 in everything, the Thief. The extreme burst with 30DA and 30 CS coupled with the high survivability from Acro and SA would be incredibly difficult for the Mesmer to beat.

Thief, for the stealthing backstabs. Mesmer just can’t compete in terms of overall direct damage considering thief can go invisible almost at will. The mesmer’s teleports only help slightly because the thief would have stealing and Heartseeker to close gaps.

To be honest, I found mesmers one of the easiest class to kill. They can just daze, stun and burst me at some point, but with my stunbreakers I survive and kill them afterwards.

In other words, it depends what kind of weapons and ability set you use. Against FotM memers you just need some AoE, stunbreakers and maybe also small condition removing tool, that’s all.

I as a S/D Thief can kill Mesmer.

In a 30/30/30/30/30 scenario Thieves have a huge headstart. Open up with the sad CnD > Mug > Backstab > HS HS HS and you should be done. Mesmers can create clones etc but it won’t really work because unless he doesn’t do anything like dodging/moving at all it’s kind of easy to spot the real Mesmer. Apart from that, clones etc die in seconds to Thieves…

30 across the board? what class could beat a thief? bunker elementalist might put up a good fight with their mobility? A greatsword, mace/shield warrior if he plays it perfectly?

Thief because i will backstab mug stab insta kill him from stealth with venom/power signet active.

If both are 30/30/30/30/30, you might as well say that the Mesmer can summon a dozen clones.

I wonder how a moa with 30/30/30/30/30 performs.

Depends who’s playing.

I played this guy on a mesmer and he would wait until I missed a CnD and I was exposed for a few seconds and then he would root me and burst me down. Not with his sword either he used some other different abilities and it killed me every time.

He played well against thieves and beat me 4 out of 5 fights.

Other mesmers I have no problems with. Don’t think I’ve ever found another mesmer I have a problem with. Even with MOA now, I just hit 5, then evade twice and the morf is over.

swinsk.6410:

I played this guy on a mesmer and he would wait until I missed a CnD and I was exposed for a few seconds and then he would root me and burst me down. Not with his sword either he used some other different abilities and it killed me every time.

I’m very curious about this non-sword root.

Mister Mustard.7203:

swinsk.6410:

I played this guy on a mesmer and he would wait until I missed a CnD and I was exposed for a few seconds and then he would root me and burst me down. Not with his sword either he used some other different abilities and it killed me every time.

I’m very curious about this non-sword root.

perhaps he’s talking about the 2 second stun? not snare. which you can’t easily remove. Or maybe the sword dash which again is a stun not a snare.

either way they are very simple to remove. and that mesmer must be good to close the distance and burst you down in the 2 seconds he’s allowed.

In an open, flat field mesmer will have advantage but will still lose to defensive capability of stealth.
In other cases – almost instant win for a thief. Clones’ weak AI is just too easy to deal with

Mister Mustard.7203:

I’m very curious about this non-sword root.

It’s possible it was not a root. I was dead before I could even try to pop shadowstep each time. That is what was most frustrating. Even against thief with basilisk I have enough time to react. This I did not.

Thobek.1730:

perhaps he’s talking about the 2 second stun? not snare. which you can’t easily remove. Or maybe the sword dash which again is a stun not a snare.

either way they are very simple to remove. and that mesmer must be good to close the distance and burst you down in the 2 seconds he’s allowed.

He wasn’t charging at me. I don’t know the mesmer class very well. I have never played one.

All I know is that in spvp I was dead in a matter of 2-3s maybe. He used some sort of CC to where dodge/moving wouldn’t help and it was too quick for a shadowstep.

I’m not hating on mesmers because of this one guy. Just saying he played well and killed me often cause of it.

EDIT: I was pretty sure he was doing like a Jinzu spec for thief except on a mesmer. Dumping 5-6 abilities at once to drop someone really quick. Because he had a long CD before he would try to do it to me. I survived a few times because I got out of the way of the burst.

You said both classes will have extensive knowledge on other classes?

Then definitely a mesmer.

Thief mugs -> mesmer hits f4

and mesmer bursts the thief down with 2 sec stun and immobilise, and at the end of the burst thief heartseekers twice and dies because of 10+ stack of confusion.

I’ve duelled against numerous thieves in an open environment like WvW, and in an empty sPvP arena with my friends, who are very good burst thieves. The only thieves that even have a chance to beat me are P/D condition thieves.

Now I roll a necro, and… don’t even ask.

kuora.5402:

You said both classes will have extensive knowledge on other classes?

Then definitely a mesmer.

Thief mugs -> mesmer hits f4

and mesmer bursts the thief down with 2 sec stun and immobilise, and at the end of the burst thief heartseekers twice and dies because of 10+ stack of confusion.

I’ve duelled against numerous thieves in an open environment like WvW, and in an empty sPvP arena with my friends, who are very good burst thieves. The only thieves that even have a chance to beat me are P/D condition thieves.

Now I roll a necro, and… don’t even ask.

“Extensive knowledge” doesn’t translate to “spam HS when confusion is stacked”. Just saying.

I am s/d and shortbow..

Not a real issue with mesmers. It is really easy to kill any clones in the way with sword.

You have nice gap closer and while folks rag on #3, there are times it is really nice (ie vs some memsers, guardians etc)..

All that said, WATCH for confusion and be sure to move if the clones run to you..

A lot of these posts assume the mesmer doesn’t know how a thief works. And assuming he does, the initial burst/backstab won’t do anything. They never do to a good player. Plus, a mesmer Shatter build can turn 20K into 0K in a matter of 2 seconds(shatter mesmers are scary, moreso than any other burst class, I’ve only ever seen one who uses it properly, and he was deadly), not regarding any sort of tank that he would also have due to being 30/30/30/30/30. IMO, they have a fair shot at each other, but if either fails to dodge/block the other’s burst, he will lose.

Allow me to explain the nature of the question a bit differently, the mesmer can warp the fabric of reality to his will, he can warp time, what can the thief do to stop someone like that?

Nero.8135:

Allow me to explain the nature of the question a bit differently, the mesmer can warp the fabric of reality to his will, he can warp time, what can the thief do to stop someone like that?

Shove a knife in his spine when he’s not looking.

Auesis.7301:

Nero.8135:

Allow me to explain the nature of the question a bit differently, the mesmer can warp the fabric of reality to his will, he can warp time, what can the thief do to stop someone like that?

Shove a knife in his spine when he’s not looking.

lol, that’s why the mesmer slows down time, rendering the thief pretty much immobile allowing the mesmer to go in for the kill. There has to be something else the thief could do to counter that, right?

Both annoying. Kill them.

thief with shortbow can pretty much get out of anything mesmer can do.
With evade, bounces and cluster bombs there is just not enough options for mesmer to choose from.

Who cares?

Never going to happen