Guild Wars 2

In all honesty…

if d/d ele fights a d/p theif meta team pvp builds.. who wins majority of the time assuming equal skill?

Equal skill? d/p thief cause ele d/d rotations are predictable.

I think it depends on the player skill. If both players are mediocre i would place my money on the d/d ele, because it is more mistake tolerant.

But for really good players d/p should have the upper hand.

On the other hand, i’m watching Narcarsis right know, he is duelling a d/d ele and its 4:1 for the ele atm.

apocom.3172:

I think it depends on the player skill. If both players are mediocre i would place my money on the d/d ele, because it is more mistake tolerant.

But for really good players d/p should have the upper hand.

On the other hand, i’m watching Narcarsis right know, he is duelling a d/d ele and its 4:1 for the ele atm.

He’s currently using S/D, not D/P.
I once met a mediocre (D/D) ele on my D/D thief and the score was even. He actually waited every morning for me to duel him and we both cheered when I beat him ;)
But that was wvw.

He played S/D first, switched for a few rounds to D/P and is playing most rounds know with S/D sometimes switching back.

I honestly don’t see how a d/p theif can beat a d/d elemental majority of the time. It just seems d/d elemental is too strong and counterish to theif.

I know a good ele, he can beat the best thieves in the game… easily.

But, if the community here says they should be able too… then.. so be it, but I have to disagree.

Depends allot on the exact spec your using.

One thing that can help allot is having boon steal trait.

Love that trait when facing elementalists, That protection you just popped ? Mine now. Those 12 stacks of might. Mine as well. + now I have vigor so I can dodge & evade even more.

Other then that It can depend allot on the exact variation of the P/D build you use.

But assuming decent skill on both sides I would expect the thief to either win or run away & never die.

If we are talking about Meta Builds, D/P SB, 2/6/0/0/6 vs D/D 0/0/2/6/6 .
Ele will win given equal skill on both opponents.

Thief might not die if he disengages but he will never win a 1v1 period !

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Depends allot on the exact spec your using.

One thing that can help allot is having boon steal trait.

Love that trait when facing elementalists, That protection you just popped ? Mine now. Those 12 stacks of might. Mine as well. + now I have vigor so I can dodge & evade even more.

Other then that It can depend allot on the exact variation of the P/D build you use.

But assuming decent skill on both sides I would expect the thief to either win or run away & never die.

He clearly state META PVP Builds !!!
So i don’t get why / what you are posting here … ofc a P/D non meta 2/0/6/0/6 has better chances, but this not what the OC was asking .

No way a DD Ele loses to any meta DP builds in a 1v1.
The only way a DP can possibly beat a DD Ele is if he manages to get a clean engage (which means, a Crit Backstab+steal from the back). If this is met, then the DP might have a chance. Otherwise, the DD should always win. If he doesn’t, it means the other player is way better.
Of course, assuming a 1v1 fight, there’s no way the DP will get a clean engage; but in a PvP match it is quite possible.
Either way, a DP thief should never attempt to 1v1 a DD Ele in a PvP match.

D/D ele either soft counters or goes even with pretty much all thief builds. D/P especially has trouble DPSing through the heal/protection spam.

IMO, S/D has the best shot (or maybe some cheesy P/D spec), but even then, it’s an uphill battle.

probably ele in most cases
thieves don’t have as much team presense as eles do, they have different job

add celestial + might stacking, the winner is rather obvious

Ele has the advantage in a D/D v D/P 1v1

Currently D/D ele has not hard counters in conquest, so if you’re ever wondering who has the advantage in a 1v1 vs D/D it’s D/D or an even fight.

A S/P thief can easily win against a D/D ele if he is using infiltrator’s strike and predicting key moves.

I’ve done it before with a friend of mine, i would just shadowstep back to my location every time he’d use a key ability, especially the lightning aura’s.

Besides this most damage from S/D thieves comes from their sigils which have short cooldowns but have cooldowns, meaning when procced it’s not a bad idea to move out, wait a couple of seconds move back in and proc them again.

It’s usually a long fight but if you are positioning right then you shouldn’t have a problem as a S/D thief, but i’d be reluctant to take on a D/D ele because it’s a long fight(not a good thing for thieves as it’s not your role)

D/P though i’d favor an ele, as a D/P thief has way less sustain then a S/D thief meaning an ele can outlast the thief if played correctly

D/p thief with equal skill would always win guys,cause stealth. D/D ele rotations are predictable,which d/p thieves can exploit easly.What you describing is a incompetent d/p thief against good D/D ele.Cause good d/p thief would time his steal when ele has protection,good thief would time his backstabs when ele have no protection,thief have endless access to posion,ele cant see thief when he is on stealth so he cant really counter what I said above.So it is pretty much obvious.

My experience playing panic strike d/p is that, in conquest, as a practical matter, the D/D ele has the upper hand when cooldowns are up.

However, the thief can have a strong upper hand if you’re willing to bait out cooldowns (specifically, armor of earth), then disengaging to reset. If you then get a clean re-engage with backstab + basi venom strip protection + land the chill after ele switches to water, you’re almost guaranteed to win. But doing this means you basically gave the ele the point for ~40 seconds which would count as a huge loss in tPvP even if you ultimately won the fight.

I beat D/D eles pretty frequently with D/P actually. They may not be the best, but if you kite with SB a bit and time your burst, it’s not too bad. A half decent ele should usually win the fight though.

D/D ele is heavily favored assuming they know to stick to you like glue.

It’s not unwinnable on D/P thief but you don’t have the advantage.

thief will lose on point.

Simon.3794:

thief will lose on point.

Agree with this but I assumed about 1v1 on point without considering the cap.

If you’re running boonsteal, like trickery, it depends on player skill and aggressiveness. If you’re not running boonsteal it’s much harder, and you have to be very aggressive to get their hp down, while still being concerned with your own.

Sandrox.9524:

D/p thief with equal skill would always win guys,cause stealth. D/D ele rotations are predictable,which d/p thieves can exploit easly.What you describing is a incompetent d/p thief against good D/D ele.Cause good d/p thief would time his steal when ele has protection,good thief would time his backstabs when ele have no protection,thief have endless access to posion,ele cant see thief when he is on stealth so he cant really counter what I said above.So it is pretty much obvious.

What you describe is Bad D/D ele vs thief who can play … can say the same.
Ofc you will want to use steal when he has prot up and left water, but a good ele knows that.
He can dodge your steal, he gives you enough pressure so you have to perhaps use steal before to take out some pressure and get the fight in your favor.

D/D ele has redicilous burning ticks and also poison, and a thief does not have any poison cleanse outside heal and SS with Meta D/P build…

AGAIN, the OP was asking about D/P meta and not S/D nor a variation of D/P => so thief will lose given equal skill !

Perhaps you should fight competent eles that will extend your point of view dunno..

lvis.3824:

Sandrox.9524:

D/p thief with equal skill would always win guys,cause stealth. D/D ele rotations are predictable,which d/p thieves can exploit easly.What you describing is a incompetent d/p thief against good D/D ele.Cause good d/p thief would time his steal when ele has protection,good thief would time his backstabs when ele have no protection,thief have endless access to posion,ele cant see thief when he is on stealth so he cant really counter what I said above.So it is pretty much obvious.

What you describe is Bad D/D ele vs thief who can play … can say the same.
Ofc you will want to use steal when he has prot up and left water, but a good ele knows that.
He can dodge your steal, he gives you enough pressure so you have to perhaps use steal before to take out some pressure and get the fight in your favor.

D/D ele has redicilous burning ticks and also poison, and a thief does not have any poison cleanse outside heal and SS with Meta D/P build…

AGAIN, the OP was asking about D/P meta and not S/D nor a variation of D/P => so thief will lose given equal skill !

Perhaps you should fight competent eles that will extend your point of view dunno..

As I said,dodging steal,meaning he saw the thief,which I just said most thieves would do it from stealth and even without stealth,you say dodge steal like it is easy for high level players.And again,as I said,ele is predictable,and his burning skills require the thief to be in the area,which woudl never happen with a thief who at least knows the basics of d/d ele.
Oh well…

Steal is an instant-cast ranged ability with no tell. You don’t dodge steal vs a competent thief, although even good thieves will occasionally whiff it.

The hard part beating D/D ele as thief is that you need to maintain constant, high pressure or the ele will heal up again, all the while dealing with burning + poison + power damage from the ele. It’s not too bad if all of the ele’s cantrips are on cooldown, but very difficult otherwise.