Guild Wars 2

Hello guys. Yesterday me and a ranger got owned by a Thief in WvW, because he remained 99,99% of the time invisible/untargetable and could even shot stealthed.

The battle was on during aprox. 5 minutes and I could see the bullets (he was pistol/pistol and never attacked either with melee, so he couldnt do D/D 5) without being able to see him.

Yes occasionally he appeard for like 1-2 seconds and we couldnt touch him because he pressed V 2 times and stealthed again.

He never used the stealth house spell, and he never did Cloak and shadows.
That thief killed us both and we were both lvl 80 full exotic and familiar with thievs (since i play thief sometimes and VS thievs and I never saw that).

His damage wasn’t too high but still.. remaining 5minutes of combat stealthed with no cooldown. He killed us both while stealthed finished us while stealthed and ran away stealthed.

In /map someone said to me that that problem occurs to him as well, that his graphic card cannot render thievs after appear from stealth correctly and takes longer. But me and ranger had same issue? I find that hard since I never saw that in any other thief in sPvP.

Was that thief really pro or a bug? I wish I remembered to take some screenshots.

Thanks

This thief wasnt p/p, u have no idea what are u talking about. He was p/d. Welcome to gw2 and its culling.

Karolis.4261:

This thief wasnt p/p, u have no idea what are u talking about. He was p/d. Welcome to gw2 and its culling.

How could he use Unload then? I’m not even crying or saying thief is OP. My objective here is to know if this already happened to someone else, this glitch in visuals.
And P/D would imply that he shadowsteped to me and attacked me melee at least once and he didnt. I repeat, he remained stealthed and shoting all the time.

He didn’t use Unload
The first skill on the P/D has a stealth version Neak Attack which is very similar to unload, it does five rapid attacks and stacks up some bleeds. The dagger off hand takes care of getting into stealth. It’s a dangerous build to come across.
Wvw is full of wildlife and objects to get a C&D off.

If you are 100% certain they did not use C&D you should report it as a hacking incident,

new exploit? new hack?

edit: check the combat log is usefull to check skill used. In that case you could have seen if he used unload.

There is nothing stopping someone from running p/d & p/p (Rampager’s maybe would work). They just loose any form of combat movement. Due to swap timers though they would not be able to be in stealth 99.99999999999999999% of the time though.

frans.8092:

He didn’t use Unload
The first skill on the P/D has a stealth version Neak Attack which is very similar to unload, it does five rapid attacks and stacks up some bleeds.

Yes he did the first skill P/D but only a few times. The major times it was unload because i had no bleeds on me I payed attention to that D=. I know what you are saying but no it wasn’t that either. He could really attack while stealthed.

I wish i could remembered to take some SS.
It’s like the thief stealth fades out instead of simply appear instant. But that fade out non-targetable time was waaay too big on that particular thief + 2390489234 stealth skills no CD, no House and no melee.

I can’t explain more details than that, and its too late to check combat log now. Thats why I came to forum ^^.
Probably placing it in the thief section was a bad choice though.

I had the same problem too. I’m a thief and I know this class very well. Just few days ago I played 1vs1 versus a thief (alone in the map). The first 3 match I killed him easly (he was quite a noob) but at one point all changed. He was always stealthed for very very long time before the battle (so never hit me with C&D for sure) and always killed me with 1 PW and always with quikness (ther’s no build that can have always quikness every 10/15 seconds not even with critical haste). The only difference was that he reappear after first hit as usual.
U ask if Ur enemy was a cheater? Mine was for sure… and I think that also for ur thief

Blinka.9078:

frans.8092:

He didn’t use Unload
The first skill on the P/D has a stealth version Neak Attack which is very similar to unload, it does five rapid attacks and stacks up some bleeds.

Yes he did the first skill P/D but only a few times. The major times it was unload because i had no bleeds on me I payed attention to that D=. I know what you are saying but no it wasn’t that either. He could really attack while stealthed.

I wish i could remembered to take some SS.
It’s like the thief stealth fades out instead of simply appear instant. But that fade out non-targetable time was waaay too big on that particular thief + 2390489234 stealth skills no CD, no House and no melee.

I can’t explain more details than that, and its too late to check combat log now. Thats why I came to forum ^^.
Probably placing it in the thief section was a bad choice though.

If you are 100% sure he wasn’t meleeing, and was ONLY using P/P, it could have been hax. I still think we aren’t getting the full story though. P/D thieves can CnD off of pets, and other NPCs, and doesn’t have the most obvious animation in the world. Also, culling could be an issue in this as you were in WvW.

P/P still only has a few ways of stealth, none of which are on weapon skills and it’s unlikely a P/P thief would be running every stealth skill available. Blinding Powder, or Shadow Trap (which is pretty unreliable), and Steal (when traited) are the only other ways I can think of that a P/P could stealth if he wasn’t using Shadow Refuge and only ever used P/P.

Any chances this could be extreme culling issue? I wouldn’t believe in such situation, but for few days now I’m unable to see commander leading our zerg, if he’s further than 600 range away from me. He just disappears from my screen and only indicator that he’s still there, is his blue icon on the map. It’s not only commander, but people running close to him as well. This even happens when there are just few of us around (I’m not talking about huge 30+ zergs).

Blinka.9078:

in WvW

Open and shut case Watson. Brilliant.

Anyway, are you sure this was WvW or was it sPvP? Because you contradict yourself in the op and they are 2 completely different game modes and there are things you can do in WvW that are impossible in spvp(cnd critters, heavy culling abuse, etc.)

And I doubt he was using unload on you. Any thief running heavy stealth with a pistol is going to use Sneak Attack instead.. theres absolutely no reason I can think of for using Unload while stealthed.

Zodd Master.2378:

I had the same problem too. I’m a thief and I know this class very well. Just few days ago I played 1vs1 versus a thief (alone in the map). The first 3 match I killed him easly (he was quite a noob) but at one point all changed. He was always stealthed for very very long time before the battle (so never hit me with C&D for sure) and always killed me with 1 PW and always with quikness (ther’s no build that can have always quikness every 10/15 seconds not even with critical haste). The only difference was that he reappear after first hit as usual.
U ask if Ur enemy was a cheater? Mine was for sure… and I think that also for ur thief

I’ve run a haste build before with haste on sigil, haste on runes (Orrion), haste in traits and haste itself (the skill). It’s not particularly good but when everything works within a single 60 second window it does appear like it’s up most of the time.

Jonny.9370:

Open and shut case Watson. Brilliant.

Anyway, are you sure this was WvW or was it sPvP? Because you contradict yourself in the op and they are 2 completely different game modes and there are things you can do in WvW that are impossible in spvp(cnd critters, heavy culling abuse, etc.)

I said a buch of times it was in WvW and I only said that in sPvP i never saw that.
true he could steal from the ranger pet but still… that has nothing to do with what I posted. Can u attack while stealthed when u steal from pets? No, it just gives you another stealth skill.

This is a bug/glitch of thief fade out render. Fix it please. Don’t go on details like “he was using Sneaky attack not unload blah blah”. I say again, he was using BOTH, but that doesnt even matter! Some of you guys are missing the whole point.

I will make it simpler Me and other players cannot see some thievs in WvW while they are attacking, and it seems a fade out render issue

Blinka.9078:

This is a bug/glitch of thief fade out render. Fix it please. Don’t go on details like “he was using Sneaky attack not unload blah blah”. I say again, he was using BOTH, but that doesnt even matter! Some of you guys are missing the whole point.

Details are key when you’re talking about bugs. Be specific and as accurate as you can be, otherwise be ready to answer a bunch of questions and get nit picked until the picture becomes as clear as people need it to be.

i smell culling or hax but that is about it.

I’m sorry, OP, but unless the Thief was a hacker who has managed to give himself a 0-CD stealth keybind, he was using P/D and used Cloak and Dagger to stealth himself repeatedly. The “Unload” that you saw was Sneak Attack whether you like to think so or not, and it’s perfectly understandable that you were mistaken with the state of WvW culling/short CnD animation/etc.

It’s not a “fade out render issue”, and that’s something that doesn’t even exist.

i was killed via HS spam without even seeing the guy … i was downed and stomped without even seeing my attacker for just 1 second !!! wtf.
the “fight” lasted more then 4-5 seconds…
maybe they hacked the GW2 client ??? or culling just got worse ?

Faeyd.5094:

Zodd Master.2378:

I had the same problem too. I’m a thief and I know this class very well. Just few days ago I played 1vs1 versus a thief (alone in the map). The first 3 match I killed him easly (he was quite a noob) but at one point all changed. He was always stealthed for very very long time before the battle (so never hit me with C&D for sure) and always killed me with 1 PW and always with quikness (ther’s no build that can have always quikness every 10/15 seconds not even with critical haste). The only difference was that he reappear after first hit as usual.
U ask if Ur enemy was a cheater? Mine was for sure… and I think that also for ur thief

I’ve run a haste build before with haste on sigil, haste on runes (Orrion), haste in traits and haste itself (the skill). It’s not particularly good but when everything works within a single 60 second window it does appear like it’s up most of the time.

I tried this build too and yes, with so much lucky he would be able to trigger always quickness but the point is that he was stealthed before every match for at least 40 seconds in the capricorn map in sPVP (I repeat: we was alone in the whole map and sharks was mine). maybe he used Black Powder+heartseeker combo to gain stealth without hit me with C&D. 40/50 seconds stealthed before every match is a long time and then he suddenly reappear and kill me with PW. This happened 5 times in succession trying different tactics and approach to win but unsuccesfully.
I think there could be some cheater and we met two of them. That’s my opinion.
All U can do is just report him and still have fun

Blinka.9078:

Hello guys. Yesterday me and a ranger got owned by a Thief in WvW, because he remained 99,99% of the time invisible/untargetable and could even shot stealthed.

The battle was on during aprox. 5 minutes and I could see the bullets (he was pistol/pistol and never attacked either with melee, so he couldnt do D/D 5) without being able to see him.

Yes occasionally he appeard for like 1-2 seconds and we couldnt touch him because he pressed V 2 times and stealthed again.

He never used the stealth house spell, and he never did Cloak and shadows.
That thief killed us both and we were both lvl 80 full exotic and familiar with thievs (since i play thief sometimes and VS thievs and I never saw that).

His damage wasn’t too high but still.. remaining 5minutes of combat stealthed with no cooldown. He killed us both while stealthed finished us while stealthed and ran away stealthed.

In /map someone said to me that that problem occurs to him as well, that his graphic card cannot render thievs after appear from stealth correctly and takes longer. But me and ranger had same issue? I find that hard since I never saw that in any other thief in sPvP.

Was that thief really pro or a bug? I wish I remembered to take some screenshots.

Thanks

Phantom.2371:

Blinka.9078:

Hello guys. Yesterday me and a ranger got owned by a Thief in WvW, because he remained 99,99% of the time invisible/untargetable and could even shot stealthed.

The battle was on during aprox. 5 minutes and I could see the bullets (he was pistol/pistol and never attacked either with melee, so he couldnt do D/D 5) without being able to see him.

Yes occasionally he appeard for like 1-2 seconds and we couldnt touch him because he pressed V 2 times and stealthed again.

He never used the stealth house spell, and he never did Cloak and shadows.
That thief killed us both and we were both lvl 80 full exotic and familiar with thievs (since i play thief sometimes and VS thievs and I never saw that).

His damage wasn’t too high but still.. remaining 5minutes of combat stealthed with no cooldown. He killed us both while stealthed finished us while stealthed and ran away stealthed.

In /map someone said to me that that problem occurs to him as well, that his graphic card cannot render thievs after appear from stealth correctly and takes longer. But me and ranger had same issue? I find that hard since I never saw that in any other thief in sPvP.

Was that thief really pro or a bug? I wish I remembered to take some screenshots.

Thanks

I bet he was running p/p p/d build I have used it before really screws peeps up.

Zodd Master.2378:

Faeyd.5094:

Zodd Master.2378:

I had the same problem too. I’m a thief and I know this class very well. Just few days ago I played 1vs1 versus a thief (alone in the map). The first 3 match I killed him easly (he was quite a noob) but at one point all changed. He was always stealthed for very very long time before the battle (so never hit me with C&D for sure) and always killed me with 1 PW and always with quikness (ther’s no build that can have always quikness every 10/15 seconds not even with critical haste). The only difference was that he reappear after first hit as usual.
U ask if Ur enemy was a cheater? Mine was for sure… and I think that also for ur thief

I’ve run a haste build before with haste on sigil, haste on runes (Orrion), haste in traits and haste itself (the skill). It’s not particularly good but when everything works within a single 60 second window it does appear like it’s up most of the time.

I tried this build too and yes, with so much lucky he would be able to trigger always quickness but the point is that he was stealthed before every match for at least 40 seconds in the capricorn map in sPVP (I repeat: we was alone in the whole map and sharks was mine). maybe he used Black Powder+heartseeker combo to gain stealth without hit me with C&D. 40/50 seconds stealthed before every match is a long time and then he suddenly reappear and kill me with PW. This happened 5 times in succession trying different tactics and approach to win but unsuccesfully.
I think there could be some cheater and we met two of them. That’s my opinion.
All U can do is just report him and still have fun

What were his weapon sets? You say he used PW on you. That tells me he was using Sword/Pistol weapon set. You also say he disappeared for upwards of 40-50 seconds, then reappears after the very first hit just to disappear again for long periods. You know what that sounds like to me? Infiltrator’s Strike. I think you allowed yourself to be fooled by simple #2 sword spam.

Quickness can proc from crit haste, from utility, and from runes/sigils. Those could explain how he seemed to have it at all times. I sometimes use Rage gear on my warrior and have quickness proc 2-3 times in a fight from that and traits.

Incurafy.6329:

I’m sorry, OP, but unless the Thief was a hacker who has managed to give himself a 0-CD stealth keybind, he was using P/D and used Cloak and Dagger to stealth himself repeatedly. The “Unload” that you saw was Sneak Attack whether you like to think so or not, and it’s perfectly understandable that you were mistaken with the state of WvW culling/short CnD animation/etc.

It’s not a “fade out render issue”, and that’s something that doesn’t even exist.

I understand I can be mistaken … Lets say that he was doing “Sneak Attack” while stealthed/untargetable. That still can’t be right, because when you press 1 your stealth disappears right?

And I say again (but ok I may be mistake although I seriously doubt it) he never attacked me, the ranger or the pet with melee.

And just because your computer doesnt have a render issue doesnt mean it doesnt exist, I’m not the only one saying this happened. But this only happens in WvW.

Mourns.2941:

I bet he was running p/p p/d build I have used it before really screws peeps up.

Can you shot while stealthed and remain stealthed with that build? I doubt it.

Blinka.9078:

Mourns.2941:

I bet he was running p/p p/d build I have used it before really screws peeps up.

Can you shot while stealthed and remain stealthed with that build? I doubt it.

No it’s called culling issues. It appears he’s not there but he is.

Mourns.2941:

Blinka.9078:

Mourns.2941:

I bet he was running p/p p/d build I have used it before really screws peeps up.

Can you shot while stealthed and remain stealthed with that build? I doubt it.

No it’s called culling issues. It appears he’s not there but he is.

So you like “screw peeps up” with a bug?

I stopped reading at “…me and a ranger…” if you were with a ranger and still got owned the you deserved it since you got outplayed.
Rangers have traps / AE / channeled abilities, you need nothing else to kill a stealthy speced thief. You had the tools, got outplayed.

I hope you learned something from this and play better nextime.

You can actually attack while stealthing :P just keep cloak and dagger, wait until you unstealth (just a second before) and cloak and dagger again. That skill still deals decent damage, especially with a crit damage gear/build while also stealthing you

Welcome to GW2 WvW.

It is not unusual to see the bullets from a Thief’s sneak attack well before he re-renders (he is supposed to render before the first bullet fires). In a busy area he may never render for you at all.

Are you not entertained?

Docherty.8372:

Welcome to GW2 WvW.

It is not unusual to see the bullets from a Thief’s sneak attack well before he re-renders (he is supposed to render before the first bullet fires). In a busy area he may never render for you at all.

Are you not entertained?

No I am not. “War ain’t fair” took another whole meaning. WvW is not suposed to be balanced but this is simply stupid.
Too bad that since not all people have this problem this will be forgotten.

He’s supposed to uncloak and re-render when the first bullet hits, not when it’s fired.
I don’t screw up peeps with a bug, I am not responsible for any bugs (in GW) and I have to use stealth once in while. And yes, culling is annoying, inconsistent culling is very annoying.

Docherty.8372:

[cut](he is supposed to render before the first bullet fires). [cut]

A thief is unstealthed when he does damage. That’s why we do not get revealed against a “miss” block" “immun” etc etc.

You perfectly represent the 90% of people complaining about thieves.
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