Guild Wars 2

Hi guys, was putting this threads for each class in the forum to see if we could see the potential of the Thiefs against all the other classes.

Any challengers please put up here your own time (Youtube Video) against the veteran giant in cursed shore.

So far we have:
Thief 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk
Guardian 7sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3x_EqsbAWMc
Warrior 8sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Von67FBeijI
Elementalist 10sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IO9KXVFo4
Ranger 11sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2QX-VorZKQ&feature=youtu.be
Necro 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK-fcT12c2k
Engineer 14sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkpOmP91jrA
Mesmer 16sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbGu6p7Zmpc&feature=youtu.be

Whaaat— guardian cheated. No dogs allowed >:/

d/d did 12 seconds almsot 13. ":/

13 seconds. thief just isnt the top dmg class anymore. has high hits but cant chain like other classes.not chain as fast anyway.

i mean i was hitting for almost 13k on backstabs and almost 10k on Heartseekers so it wasnt like i wasnt hitting hard.

http://youtu.be/qG0u681TR0o
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Travlane.5948:

13 seconds. thief just isnt the top dmg class anymore. has high hits but cant chain like other classes.not chain as fast anyway.

i mean i was hitting for almost 13k on backstabs and almost 10k on Heartseekers so it wasnt like i wasnt hitting hard.

http://youtu.be/qG0u681TR0o
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Ty mate
Just let us know what traits and gear setup you used in the test

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

Burst has become a big taboo in GW2 though, which has become a major issue with the devs and put them in a confused state on what to do with the class.

The highest burst in game goes to the elementalist. An important note is that just because there’s a video of someone killing it doesn’t mean that it’s the best time. I was at the giants with a friend on her elementalist yesterday and she did it in less than 5 seconds with the frostbow. The elementalist can stack damage modifiers like no other class, and because they aren’t weapon-specific, can maintain them while using conjured weapons.

I had a go, but am far from the highest DPS spec. I had ruby orbs instead of scholars, exotic weapons/gear, superior sigil of force instead of night, no superior sigil of undead slaying, didn’t use sweet and spicy butternut, and had berserker/valkyrie combination accessories. I did it in 17 seconds using pistol whip and 12 seconds using dagger/dagger, so with the stronger gear/runes/food may have got 9 possibly 8 seconds. Didn’t record it so I can’t be accurate to the millisecond. Traits were the well known 25/30/0/0/15 with fury+might+swiftness on steal instead of flanking strikes.

I recorded an approximate 6 second kill with Thief last night. There is some room for improvement, so if anyone wants to challenge I’ll be looking forward to it.

Where did everyone get the idea that thief has the best burst damage? Thief doesn’t have anywhere near the top burst damage, and for that matter we don’t have any burst damage at all. All of our damage is 100% sustained. (at least in pve)

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

In PvE, all buffs being equal, Thief has the second highest dps behind Staff Ele. Warriors are squarely in the middle.

Clumsy.6257:

Where did everyone get the idea that thief has the best burst damage? Thief doesn’t have anywhere near the top burst damage, and for that matter we don’t have any burst damage at all. All of our damage is 100% sustained. (at least in pve)

Check the link in the very post above your post… Thief has 6 seconds now, and is thus the current leader.

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

I recorded an approximate 6 second kill with Thief last night. There is some room for improvement, so if anyone wants to challenge I’ll be looking forward to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk

So are you counting since you start attacking?

It would be more proper to count since you activate your first skill right?

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

In PvE, all buffs being equal, Thief has the second highest dps behind Staff Ele. Warriors are squarely in the middle.

I’m pretty sure I saw some calculations from someone that put LH ele at 1.2% above d/d thief on single targets.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Clumsy.6257:

Where did everyone get the idea that thief has the best burst damage? Thief doesn’t have anywhere near the top burst damage, and for that matter we don’t have any burst damage at all. All of our damage is 100% sustained. (at least in pve)

Check the link in the very post above your post… Thief has 6 seconds now, and is thus the current leader.

This is a speed race that only lasts a few seconds meaning we sacrifice our normal dungeon setups to bring burst damage because we only have to last for less than 10 seconds.
edit: To make it more clear, we have burst damage but to get it we have to sacrifice all our sustained damage.
edit: To make it more clear, we have burst damage. But, to get it, we have to sacrifice all of our sustained damage which isn’t worth it unless your going for a speed kill like this.

Clumsy.6257:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

In PvE, all buffs being equal, Thief has the second highest dps behind Staff Ele. Warriors are squarely in the middle.

I’m pretty sure I saw some calculations from someone that put LH ele at 1.2% above d/d thief on single targets.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Clumsy.6257:

Where did everyone get the idea that thief has the best burst damage? Thief doesn’t have anywhere near the top burst damage, and for that matter we don’t have any burst damage at all. All of our damage is 100% sustained. (at least in pve)

Check the link in the very post above your post… Thief has 6 seconds now, and is thus the current leader.

This is a speed race that only lasts a few seconds meaning we sacrifice our normal dungeon setups to bring burst damage because we only have to last for less than 10 seconds.
edit: To make it more clear, we have burst damage but to get it we have to sacrifice all our sustained damage.
edit: To make it more clear, we have burst damage. But, to get it, we have to sacrifice all of our sustained damage which isn’t worth it unless your going for a speed kill like this.

The sustained damage is allright too though. Just spam pistol whip, it’s fine.

SoLeciTO.3490:

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

I recorded an approximate 6 second kill with Thief last night. There is some room for improvement, so if anyone wants to challenge I’ll be looking forward to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk

So are you counting since you start attacking?

It would be more proper to count since you activate your first skill right?

If that’s the case, you might as well add the set-up time from the other videos, they start their timer on the first strike.

@clumsy
I don’t think this is a test for dungeon viability, I doubt the guardian will bring that build to a dungeon run anytime soon

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

burst? this IS burst. we are in the bottom 3 for burst and prolly tied for dead last on DPS bc we have to invis….set up attacks…dodge….evade…move away to reset. that all brings DPS way down…. bc its dmg over time.

Clumsy.6257:

Where did everyone get the idea that thief has the best burst damage? Thief doesn’t have anywhere near the top burst damage, and for that matter we don’t have any burst damage at all. All of our damage is 100% sustained. (at least in pve)

ive been saying this. we lost burst dmg when w had mug nerf.

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

I recorded an approximate 6 second kill with Thief last night. There is some room for improvement, so if anyone wants to challenge I’ll be looking forward to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk

nice i just put mine together but i could do much better iwth runes and sigils set up right.

yours was 7 seconds. started at 9s ended at just after 16s

BobbyT.7192:

If that’s the case, you might as well add the set-up time from the other videos, they start their timer on the first strike.

@clumsy
I don’t think this is a test for dungeon viability, I doubt the guardian will bring that build to a dungeon run anytime soon

Like I said, you blow all your sustained damage to get a few seconds of burst.

Master of Timespace.2548:

The sustained damage is allright too though. Just spam pistol whip, it’s fine.

Using pistol whip lowers your damage. Our sustained damage comes from sword AA, dagger AA, and CnD+BS.

Travlane.5948:

Clumsy.6257:

Where did everyone get the idea that thief has the best burst damage? Thief doesn’t have anywhere near the top burst damage, and for that matter we don’t have any burst damage at all. All of our damage is 100% sustained. (at least in pve)

ive been saying this. we lost burst dmg when w had mug nerf.

Did you even bother checking the video posted by dooooom (or something), where thief does this in 6 seconds?

Travlane.5948:

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

burst? this IS burst. we are in the bottom 3 for burst and prolly tied for dead last on DPS bc we have to invis….set up attacks…dodge….evade…move away to reset. that all brings DPS way down…. bc its dmg over time.

You do realize this is PvE right?

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

burst? this IS burst. we are in the bottom 3 for burst and prolly tied for dead last on DPS bc we have to invis….set up attacks…dodge….evade…move away to reset. that all brings DPS way down…. bc its dmg over time.

You do realize this is PvE right?

yes. unless people can choose risen as a character now?

Travlane.5948:

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

burst? this IS burst. we are in the bottom 3 for burst and prolly tied for dead last on DPS bc we have to invis….set up attacks…dodge….evade…move away to reset. that all brings DPS way down…. bc its dmg over time.

You do realize this is PvE right?

yes. unless people can choose risen as a character now?

Then your post made no sense. “we have to invis” CnD = good damage, “set up attacks” CnD = good damage, “move away to reset” Why the **** are you moving away to reset?

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

burst? this IS burst. we are in the bottom 3 for burst and prolly tied for dead last on DPS bc we have to invis….set up attacks…dodge….evade…move away to reset. that all brings DPS way down…. bc its dmg over time.

You do realize this is PvE right?

yes. unless people can choose risen as a character now?

Then your post made no sense. “we have to invis” CnD = good damage, “set up attacks” CnD = good damage, “move away to reset” Why the **** are you moving away to reset?

So you can heal up in stealth? L2p.

Erebus.9276:

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

burst? this IS burst. we are in the bottom 3 for burst and prolly tied for dead last on DPS bc we have to invis….set up attacks…dodge….evade…move away to reset. that all brings DPS way down…. bc its dmg over time.

You do realize this is PvE right?

yes. unless people can choose risen as a character now?

Then your post made no sense. “we have to invis” CnD = good damage, “set up attacks” CnD = good damage, “move away to reset” Why the **** are you moving away to reset?

So you can heal up in stealth? L2p.

learn to read and play. when you are evading and dodging and going in stealth and getting gaps opened…… this is cutting your DPS incredibly. thief has lower DPS to most builds…. he just hits harder.

Clumsy.6257:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

In PvE, all buffs being equal, Thief has the second highest dps behind Staff Ele. Warriors are squarely in the middle.

I’m pretty sure I saw some calculations from someone that put LH ele at 1.2% above d/d thief on single targets.

That’s correct, but Staff Ele is higher dps than Lightning Hammer too.

Travlane.5948:

Erebus.9276:

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

burst? this IS burst. we are in the bottom 3 for burst and prolly tied for dead last on DPS bc we have to invis….set up attacks…dodge….evade…move away to reset. that all brings DPS way down…. bc its dmg over time.

You do realize this is PvE right?

yes. unless people can choose risen as a character now?

Then your post made no sense. “we have to invis” CnD = good damage, “set up attacks” CnD = good damage, “move away to reset” Why the **** are you moving away to reset?

So you can heal up in stealth? L2p.

learn to read and play. when you are evading and dodging and going in stealth and getting gaps opened…… this is cutting your DPS incredibly. thief has lower DPS to most builds…. he just hits harder.

??? How can a thief have lower dps but still hit harder? Also going into stealth increases our dps because you just used CnD. You should only been dodging when others are dodging meaning your dps was decreased by the same amount as their’s.

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

Erebus.9276:

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

MrAmputatoes.6031:

Thief never really had the greatest dps, that’s always gone to the warrior usually. We do however have some decent burst.

And this kinda to be expected.

burst? this IS burst. we are in the bottom 3 for burst and prolly tied for dead last on DPS bc we have to invis….set up attacks…dodge….evade…move away to reset. that all brings DPS way down…. bc its dmg over time.

You do realize this is PvE right?

yes. unless people can choose risen as a character now?

Then your post made no sense. “we have to invis” CnD = good damage, “set up attacks” CnD = good damage, “move away to reset” Why the **** are you moving away to reset?

So you can heal up in stealth? L2p.

learn to read and play. when you are evading and dodging and going in stealth and getting gaps opened…… this is cutting your DPS incredibly. thief has lower DPS to most builds…. he just hits harder.

??? How can a thief have lower dps but still hit harder? Also going into stealth increases our dps because you just used CnD. You should only been dodging when others are dodging meaning your dps was decreased by the same amount as their’s.

bc people dont understand what DPS is.

lets say a warrior is hitting 2500 per hit and thief is hitting 4000 per hit. ok you think thief has higher DPS right? WRONG! heres why. warrior in battle is hitting a target and constantly doing so without reprieve…just relentless. he has high armor high Hp and super high healing invuln(all passive….ty anet) plus blocks invuln protection aegis etc. now a thief has no passive defense. it has the lowest hp pool 2nd lowest armor and NONE of those defensive buffs. This makes a thief have to have higher evades (evade is usually 1.5-2 seconds plus the distance opened = about 3-5 seconds of no dmg) and stealth (2-4 seconds of no dmg) and creates gaps when he recieves more than 40% hp in dmg which means another few to several seconds of no damage. when a thief auto attacks he usually gets 2-3 SOMETIMES 4 in before he backs out and resets for another setup of whatever the build is. our melee range is very short and we are very fragile with no passive defense.

so since u think thief has higher dps you prolly still arent convinced. so here is where you get it.

D.P.S. = Damage Per Second =

Quantity of damage divided by the amount of seconds in which it was dealt.

If a warrior is hitting for 2500 dmg every second and a thief is hitting 4k dmg every 4 seconds…. for a period of 30 seconds…..

Warrior = 2500 × 30(hits) / 30 seconds = 2500 damage per second (2500DPS)
Thief = 4000 × 7(hits) / 30 seconds = 933 damage per second (933DPS)

of course these arent real DPS but you get the idea.

if a warrior gets 2x more hits in than a thief….the thief would have to hit 2x harder than the warrior just to be equal in DPS. we all know thieves dont hit 2x harder. warrior spike dmg (big hits in small amount of time) is pretty much the same as thief. SO burst is equal if not more by warrior (whirl attacks etc) and def higher in sustained dmg over time (aka DPS).

You have no idea how to pve.

also…if we count warriors hit more than 1 target we are totally embarassed as a DPS class. totally.

S/D. You’re welcome.

Travlane.5948:

bc people dont understand what DPS is.

lets say a warrior is hitting 2500 per hit and thief is hitting 4000 per hit. ok you think thief has higher DPS right? WRONG! heres why. warrior in battle is hitting a target and constantly doing so without reprieve…just relentless. he has high armor high Hp and super high healing invuln(all passive….ty anet) plus blocks invuln protection aegis etc. now a thief has no passive defense. it has the lowest hp pool 2nd lowest armor and NONE of those defensive buffs. This makes a thief have to have higher evades (evade is usually 1.5-2 seconds plus the distance opened = about 3-5 seconds of no dmg) and stealth (2-4 seconds of no dmg) and creates gaps when he recieves more than 40% hp in dmg which means another few to several seconds of no damage. when a thief auto attacks he usually gets 2-3 SOMETIMES 4 in before he backs out and resets for another setup of whatever the build is. our melee range is very short and we are very fragile with no passive defense.

so since u think thief has higher dps you prolly still arent convinced. so here is where you get it.

D.P.S. = Damage Per Second =

Quantity of damage divided by the amount of seconds in which it was dealt.

If a warrior is hitting for 2500 dmg every second and a thief is hitting 4k dmg every 4 seconds…. for a period of 30 seconds…..

Warrior = 2500 × 30(hits) / 30 seconds = 2500 damage per second (2500DPS)
Thief = 4000 × 7(hits) / 30 seconds = 933 damage per second (933DPS)

of course these arent real DPS but you get the idea.

if a warrior gets 2x more hits in than a thief….the thief would have to hit 2x harder than the warrior just to be equal in DPS. we all know thieves dont hit 2x harder. warrior spike dmg (big hits in small amount of time) is pretty much the same as thief. SO burst is equal if not more by warrior (whirl attacks etc) and def higher in sustained dmg over time (aka DPS).

LOL
/10char

SoLeciTO.3490:

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

I recorded an approximate 6 second kill with Thief last night. There is some room for improvement, so if anyone wants to challenge I’ll be looking forward to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk

So are you counting since you start attacking?

It would be more proper to count since you activate your first skill right?

Travlane.5948:

SoLeciTO.3490:

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

I recorded an approximate 6 second kill with Thief last night. There is some room for improvement, so if anyone wants to challenge I’ll be looking forward to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk

So are you counting since you start attacking?

It would be more proper to count since you activate your first skill right?

redid sigils and put real food up etc and got the same as you. 8s instead of 7s tho which is just the difference of crits hitting or not which is all luck/probability.

so we have tied for top DPS although id say that its also the worst dps build out there bc there is absolutely no defense. no hp. no real armor. no defensive boons bc we cant. no blocks. no invuln. so to tie for top PVE DPS its also the worst viable build of the type. they should give us protection.

Let me reiterate: LOL.

Travlane.5948:

also…if we count warriors hit more than 1 target we are totally embarassed as a DPS class. totally.

This . . . but if it is about s single target burst . . .

Please keep uploading videos i love this post =)

Clumsy.6257:

Travlane.5948:

bc people dont understand what DPS is.

lets say a warrior is hitting 2500 per hit and thief is hitting 4000 per hit. ok you think thief has higher DPS right? WRONG! heres why. warrior in battle is hitting a target and constantly doing so without reprieve…just relentless. he has high armor high Hp and super high healing invuln(all passive….ty anet) plus blocks invuln protection aegis etc. now a thief has no passive defense. it has the lowest hp pool 2nd lowest armor and NONE of those defensive buffs. This makes a thief have to have higher evades (evade is usually 1.5-2 seconds plus the distance opened = about 3-5 seconds of no dmg) and stealth (2-4 seconds of no dmg) and creates gaps when he recieves more than 40% hp in dmg which means another few to several seconds of no damage. when a thief auto attacks he usually gets 2-3 SOMETIMES 4 in before he backs out and resets for another setup of whatever the build is. our melee range is very short and we are very fragile with no passive defense.

so since u think thief has higher dps you prolly still arent convinced. so here is where you get it.

D.P.S. = Damage Per Second =

Quantity of damage divided by the amount of seconds in which it was dealt.

If a warrior is hitting for 2500 dmg every second and a thief is hitting 4k dmg every 4 seconds…. for a period of 30 seconds…..

Warrior = 2500 × 30(hits) / 30 seconds = 2500 damage per second (2500DPS)
Thief = 4000 × 7(hits) / 30 seconds = 933 damage per second (933DPS)

of course these arent real DPS but you get the idea.

if a warrior gets 2x more hits in than a thief….the thief would have to hit 2x harder than the warrior just to be equal in DPS. we all know thieves dont hit 2x harder. warrior spike dmg (big hits in small amount of time) is pretty much the same as thief. SO burst is equal if not more by warrior (whirl attacks etc) and def higher in sustained dmg over time (aka DPS).

LOL
/10char

well atleast you know now?

and also improper to have an experiment without a control. cant compare thief dps to guardian dps if guardian is wearing PVT or clerics

25(30)/30/0/0/15(10) has been the meta thief build..forever….

Dommmmmmmmmm.6984:

I recorded an approximate 6 second kill with Thief last night. There is some room for improvement, so if anyone wants to challenge I’ll be looking forward to it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_acbKV5ZGk

http://youtu.be/YxgikjrzD10

redid sigils.

still the weakest build due to defense of the DPS type builds across class comparison.

Why do you need defense?

Erebus.9276:

Why do you need defense?

you get in a fight with 4-5 risen and you are dead. that a reason enough?

if u count PVP you are dead in 1-2 seconds if in a 2 v 2 and 2-3 seconds in a 1v1.

Travlane.5948:

Erebus.9276:

Why do you need defense?

you get in a fight with 4-5 risen and you are dead. that a reason enough?

if u count PVP you are dead in 1-2 seconds if in a 2 v 2 and 2-3 seconds in a 1v1.

So open world content and pvp are too difficult with a pve damage spec. Interesting.

Erebus.9276:

Travlane.5948:

Erebus.9276:

Why do you need defense?

you get in a fight with 4-5 risen and you are dead. that a reason enough?

if u count PVP you are dead in 1-2 seconds if in a 2 v 2 and 2-3 seconds in a 1v1.

So open world content and pvp are too difficult with a pve damage spec. Interesting.

we arent talking a dmg spec. 10 30 30 is a dmg spec. 25 30 0 0 15 signet build is a suicide spec which insanely high dmg hits….. big difference.

can just hop in spvp real quick if u like ? show u what i mean…u run that build.

If you’re intent on self inflicted prolapse, I’ll be on in ~6hours.

Yeah, flex those e—-peens…so hot <3

Travlane.5948:

Erebus.9276:

Travlane.5948:

Erebus.9276:

Why do you need defense?

you get in a fight with 4-5 risen and you are dead. that a reason enough?

if u count PVP you are dead in 1-2 seconds if in a 2 v 2 and 2-3 seconds in a 1v1.

So open world content and pvp are too difficult with a pve damage spec. Interesting.

we arent talking a dmg spec. 10 30 30 is a dmg spec. 25 30 0 0 15 signet build is a suicide spec which insanely high dmg hits….. big difference.

You are talking about a damage build. 10/30/30/0/0 (?) is NOT a viable PvE build. 25/30/0/0/15 or 30/30/0/0/10 are viable PvE builds.

edit: Just to sound like a broken record, if you have survivability problems with the 2 above builds, please for the love of [insert w/e here] re-roll to another class and quit giving thief a bad reputation.

Anything is viable in Pve imo.. I’ll run anything at least once.

Invizible.2960:

Anything is viable in Pve imo.. I’ll run anything at least once.

This ^

Play how you want. Just stay out of my instances.