Guild Wars 2

Yet here we are today with the Shadow Return skill change — yet Elementals get downed and can still Vapor run into a keep? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

So…what?

How does the Shadow Return skill change have anything to do with Vapor Forming into a keep? Evidently Arenanet doesn’t think that being able to do so is a bug, so it wasn’t fixed.

That’s it.

Edit: You see your signature? “If you see something that is really strong please try and find counters to it”? Read it again. Now read this:

Immobilize the downed Elementalist. Now she can’t move in vapor form. It’s rocket science, I tell you.

Or it’s a bug that wasn’t fixed yet. I mean apparently shadow return was bugged since beta, as are many other skills and traits on Thief and multiple other classes that still aren’t fixed. Why can’t the fix the bugs that weaken us though instead?

Crawford.4135:

Yet here we are today with the Shadow Return skill change — yet Elementals get downed and can still Vapor run into a keep? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Obviously That makes SO Sense for Arena Net to Do this. They don’t want Ele’s to die So they can Resurrect and Spam AoE skills Again.

Are you serious? That has to be one of the most cheap skills in world vs world. Elementalists are the only class that jumps down off of a tower/keep’s wall and mess with all the opponents, they run around trolling everyone and right when they get downed they mist for right back into the keep and do it over again, i honestly don’t see why this hasn’t been patched, its unfair why can’t other classes do that?

Sunflowers.1729:

So…what?

How does the Shadow Return skill change have anything to do with Vapor Forming into a keep? Evidently Arenanet doesn’t think that being able to do so is a bug, so it wasn’t fixed.

That’s it.

Would you like it if I could Shadow Return through my keep wall outside, down a few players, return back inside with dots on me, get downed, go back outside rinse and repeat? I think you would have a problem with that.

XApocalypse.8739:

Are you serious? That has to be one of the most cheap skills in world vs world. Elementalists are the only class that jumps down off of a tower/keep’s wall and mess with all the opponents, they run around trolling everyone and right when they get downed they mist for right back into the keep and do it over again, i honestly don’t see why this hasn’t been patched, its unfair why can’t other classes do that?

Vengeance lets you run back into keeps too. It just so happens that Vapor Form is easier to access so you see it more.

Crawford.4135:

Sunflowers.1729:

So…what?

How does the Shadow Return skill change have anything to do with Vapor Forming into a keep? Evidently Arenanet doesn’t think that being able to do so is a bug, so it wasn’t fixed.

That’s it.

Would you like it if I could Shadow Return through my keep wall outside, down a few players, return back inside with dots on me, get downed, go back outside rinse and repeat? I think you would have a problem with that.

Good thing you can (sort of). You just have to use Infiltrator’s Strike at the gate. I still don’t see how it is related though.

I mean, Hide in Shadows makes the Thief invisible and the Elementalists’ healing skill doesn’t. I have a problem with that…said nobody ever.

Doggie.3184:

Or it’s a bug that wasn’t fixed yet. I mean apparently shadow return was bugged since beta, as are many other skills and traits on Thief and multiple other classes that still aren’t fixed. Why can’t the fix the bugs that weaken us though instead?

Bugged? The only bug Shadow Return had was: it broke when using it a good 15% of the time causing those using it to get killed. Also I will remind you “return to original location” Try this on for size.

They changed the ability, as far as I see it: they couldn’t fix the bug of it breaking on players, so this was the next best fix they came up with.

NOTE: I don’t mind the change, but the distance is too short. 1500, 1800 would have been a better compensation to the players using it. 1200 is the range of most all abilities countering us.

NOTE2: I do not use the 99% spec in this game, so my setup relies on SR for survival, and even then good players could get you down if they really knew the class.

Runes of vampirism anyone? Everyone can do it and you don’t even need to die in the process.

Too bad our useless shadow step when downed doesn’t throw us through doors.

Sunflowers.1729:

XApocalypse.8739:

Are you serious? That has to be one of the most cheap skills in world vs world. Elementalists are the only class that jumps down off of a tower/keep’s wall and mess with all the opponents, they run around trolling everyone and right when they get downed they mist for right back into the keep and do it over again, i honestly don’t see why this hasn’t been patched, its unfair why can’t other classes do that?

Vengeance lets you run back into keeps too. It just so happens that Vapor Form is easier to access so you see it more.

Crawford.4135:

Sunflowers.1729:

So…what?

How does the Shadow Return skill change have anything to do with Vapor Forming into a keep? Evidently Arenanet doesn’t think that being able to do so is a bug, so it wasn’t fixed.

That’s it.

Would you like it if I could Shadow Return through my keep wall outside, down a few players, return back inside with dots on me, get downed, go back outside rinse and repeat? I think you would have a problem with that.

Good thing you can (sort of). You just have to use Infiltrator’s Strike at the gate. I still don’t see how it is related though.

I mean, Hide in Shadows makes the Thief invisible and the Elementalists’ healing skill doesn’t. I have a problem with that…said nobody ever.

Just told a friend: “An elemental just replied, I bet”.
I was right, and now I’m done.

Sunflowers.1729:

XApocalypse.8739:

Are you serious? That has to be one of the most cheap skills in world vs world. Elementalists are the only class that jumps down off of a tower/keep’s wall and mess with all the opponents, they run around trolling everyone and right when they get downed they mist for right back into the keep and do it over again, i honestly don’t see why this hasn’t been patched, its unfair why can’t other classes do that?

Vengeance lets you run back into keeps too. It just so happens that Vapor Form is easier to access so you see it more.

Crawford.4135:

Sunflowers.1729:

So…what?

How does the Shadow Return skill change have anything to do with Vapor Forming into a keep? Evidently Arenanet doesn’t think that being able to do so is a bug, so it wasn’t fixed.

That’s it.

Would you like it if I could Shadow Return through my keep wall outside, down a few players, return back inside with dots on me, get downed, go back outside rinse and repeat? I think you would have a problem with that.

Good thing you can (sort of). You just have to use Infiltrator’s Strike at the gate. I still don’t see how it is related though.

I mean, Hide in Shadows makes the Thief invisible and the Elementalists’ healing skill doesn’t. I have a problem with that…said nobody ever.

Yes but warriors are open to incoming attacks so 90% of the time they wont make it in and even if they do they die, elementalists rarely die while doing this because they are invulnerable to all attacks and once they get inside the tower/keep they get revived by an ally, i honestly don’t see this as fair.

Crawford.4135:

Just told a friend: “An elemental just replied, I bet”.
I was right, and now I’m done.

Can’t win – attack the person directly. Good job, you will get full marks in a debating class.

For the record, I have a lv 80 Thief and Engi too

By this reasoning I should be able to use Judge’s Intervention on my Guardian from within my keep to port surprise CC a zerg it by pinning them in with ring of warding. That would be stupid to be able to teleport through a wall / gate at will like that. Mistform is something else entirely. Want to prevent them from going into the keep? Immobilize them before they pop it, or have a Guardian buddy deny them access to the door.

This is what sucks with the arrow cart buff. Before the enemy would mass in front of the gate and you could always port to the one dumbo standing right next to the door and walk inside. Now if the keep is defended everyone stands back from the door and thieves have to walk all the way up there. It is very unfair.

And while I do think the mist in the door is cheap, I have an 80 staff ele and an 80 thief. I never remember looking out of a tower and going wow look at that ele, out there kicking kitten and taking names. Nah usually they just flail around a bit get downed and mist inside.

Thieves actually get to have fun killing people. I guess the trade off is sometimes they don’t get back inside.

But With Ele’s They can AOE die Mist run inside then Repeat. Dont tell me they can’t down anyone. Cause sooner or later The Ele’s AOE will catch up