Guild Wars 2

Hello,

I have been running my warrior with power, toughness, vitality specs in ALL the gear including the weapons.

On the traits I have:

• 0/0/25/30/15

On the skill tab I have:

• Banner of defense (170 toughness)
• Dolyak signet (reduces incoming damage)

This gives me 3684 toughness and 32605 HP all together.

With this build I can survive almost any 1 vs 1 on WvW for over 5 minutes or possible even more. HOWEVER, I have been noticing that thieves are the only class that can hit me for 4700+. I have noticed that a certain skill call heartseeker is responsible for that.

Possible a bug since that damage is unrealistic considering how much toughness I have and how fast the thief can spam heartseeker.

I was checking videos on youtube about heartseeker when I came upon this video.

Ironically, I play a thief and have added much more toughness to my build with a rating at about 1457 or so and very strangely I’ve noticed I’ve been getting hit -alot- harder since doing this, and yes, by thieves. The irony huh? i have not given up any vitality in my build either. Something seems a bit off…

This is ridiculous, this build is meant to survive for a long period on 1 vs 1 or even 5 vs 1. It is meant to deal low damage to the attackers and receive low damage from the attackers. If this is a bug then it obviously needs a fix, if it is not a bug then the game is completely unbalance and unfair.

Imagine running with a paper gear on 1 vs 1 with a thief? A gear such as power precision and critical damage, you don’t stand a chance! One back stab or heartseeker and you are down. This is just ridiculous and unbalance!

Lol, no math, no proof, no nothing but whiny warrior.
I have more hp and tough than anyone bla bla and I get heartseekered for high damage so clearly it’s a bug because I don’t like it bla bla.

You do realize that thieves are the exact opposite of your tough/vit build? They have incredibly high power and crit rate. Thus, following your logic it would be safe to say thieves should be 1 shotting all classes.

Hi Hitman.5829, I play a thief and would like to share some things with you.

1. http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Heartseeker
2. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/warrior/Defektive-s-How-To-1v1-a-good-Thief
3. Practice, Practice, Practice

-Jeep-

Safe to say that you need to L2P. Don’t worry, we were all beginners at one point.

(ohai swinsk)

Sometimes I also feel as if something goes wonky and suddenly someone is hitting me for way higher numbers than usual. But it’s just glass cannon specs being glass cannon specs though, not a bug or something.

i also think the HS spam must stop !
it should cost 5 ini like the sword 2 skill

Wow. Is this September 2012? Heartseeker? Lol. I haven’t heard many complaints about that in awhile. @OP. Your dodge key misses you. Try it sometime.

I wish I could find the video from the Beta weekends.. guy just gets destroyed by HS.. to quote..

“oh.. oh my god…”
“what was that?”
“heartseeker did seventeen thousand damage to me.. oh my god”

it’s funny, I just read a new thread on here, of a thief complaining about not being able to fight warriors in wvw. I’ll recommend the same thing to you as I did to him. Make friends with a thief, get some duels in and get used to fighting them. Maybe you could even befriend that thief. good luck!

Well you could easily test it out with a friend to see if the skill is bugged or not.

That thief prob was using d/d or s/d. It’s funny this warrior is complaining about heartseeker when blind is what really kills warriors. Tells me this guy hasn’t got a clue what is going on and he’s probably never stepped foot in spvp.

Master of Timespace.2548:

Well you could easily test it out with a friend to see if the skill is bugged or not.

Ya, think?

The reason our class is in the gutter every patch is because of people like this guy.

I think this is more of an issue with the OP being used to other MMO’s where a heavy with maxed out defensive stats is practically unkillable, rather than just anything else.

lol that video was made to show how BAD heartseeker is

My thief, buffed, has 2600 power, 90% crit dmg, and +30% damage from traits/sigil.

On you, my crits would hit for 2140 * skill coefficient, based on the wiki.
A heartseeker when you are below 25% (skill coef 2.0) would crit around 4300.
A heartseeker when you are ABOVE 50% health would only CRIT for about 2150, a pathetic amount.

My power is not quite the highest possible (but very close). Running executioner + assassin signet and slightly different/better gear could bring a backstab >6300 damage. Vulnerability could add a few more points, but in general that is the biggest single hit you can expect to ever receive, which is quite impressive (these would be 9-10k crits on a normal target).

swinsk.6410:

That thief prob was using d/d or s/d. It’s funny this warrior is complaining about heartseeker when blind is what really kills warriors. Tells me this guy hasn’t got a clue what is going on and he’s probably never stepped foot in spvp.

Hi swinskie

also, yeah. Heartseeker doesn’t even deal more damage than autoattacks unless your target is under 50%. If you get – which I highly doubt – HS’d to 50% in the first place, then you need to capitalize on the fact that the thief is out of initiative. Bad player, moving on.

Wow, it’s Thieves like you guys who give us a bad name.

Did he say Thieves were OP? No.
Did he say he couldn’t beat them? Not that either.

All he is doing is pointing out a possible bug (which may be true, because 4500+ Heartseekers seems a lot) and you all unload the standard ‘L2P complain more noob’ responses.

To the OP, you won’t get any help here, as you have noticed. If you want, go test it out in Heart of the Mists with a friendly Thief and, if the skill is bugged (wouldn’t put it past Anet) send a bug report.

Edit: If you all keep moaning that Heartseeker is so bad, then surely it being able to do the amount of damage mentioned is indicative of a bug, no?

If you die to the tactic the thief was using in the video, then shame on you. But 4k heartseeker? I’ve seen numbers twice as high against bunkers, but you need to have all damage boosts up and might / bloodlust. If this was in sPvP it would be a normal number, but if this was WvW then 5k would be low damage for a glass cannon. This is not a bug, it’s damage boosts from sigils, traits and food that help, and the fact that you need to be under 25% hp, before that the skill is nearly useless.

@op (no need to be rude guys) – given your numbers, in WvW, this is not an unreasonable heartseeker (crit) if you are below 50 %

This will be a hit from a full zerker thief with the appropriate traits to get to this number, someone can walk you through the maths but there is nothing to see here. it is not a bug

Hitman.5829:

This gives me 3684 toughness and 32605 HP all together.

And you complain about 4.7k+ heartseekers hitting you while you are below 50% health.

It’s people like you who force thieves into playing high damage builds with
with 10.8k hp and 1980 armor, if the thief picked up anymore defense than that
he wont have enough damage to kill you, while your steady damage will take him
down sooner or later unless he resets the fight.

And you know what, I don’t complain about guardians and warriors ridiculous defense,
I just leave and ignore them in WvW after I see my main damaging ability backstab
doesn’t take away more than 10% of their health.

It’s common knowledge that taken HS damage reduces proportionally to the amount of skill you possess. Personally, I get hit for 2k damage at most nowadays. In fact, I’m just a few pro-points away from being able to ignore spammable no-brain blind fields from Thieves.

I guess Thieves were right! We just need to l2p.

YuiRS.8129:

It’s common knowledge that taken HS damage reduces proportionally to the amount of skill you possess. Personally, I get hit for 2k damage at most nowadays. In fact, I’m just a few pro-points away from being able to ignore spammable no-brain blind fields from Thieves.

I guess Thieves were right! We just need to l2p.

Tbh… it should be lower overall damage from the loudly broadcast HS animation the higher skilled you are. You see it coming, you dodge or mitigate it. End result the HS did no/less damage.

On my eng I purposefully allow my hp to drop to hs spam levels just to create the opening for the thief over-commit/over-queue HS, block/immobilize the hs spam and then cc/cond load him promptly after.

Dealing with thieves and HS is very much a l2p issue.

Aberrant.6749:

Dealing with thieves and HS is very much a l2p issue.

what you don’t get it ? we don’t want to l2p

I posted already, but just some fun numbers. If you’re below 25% hp then heartseeker will hit for 83.37% of the damage backstab would hit for.

I did some calculations and here are the numbers I got with highest possible power, critical damage and extra damage from traits, sigils etc;

• Power – 3687
• Critical Damage – 118%
• Extra damage from traits / sigils / skills – 85%

These numbers are without any stacks of bloodlust or might and your health under 25%:

• Non-critical: 2543
• Critical: 6815

As you can see, a 5000 heartseeker (or more) shouldn’t surprise you if your health is below 25%. If you have above 50% health, then a critical hit would hit for 4325 and a non-critical for 1614…

This means that if any Heartseeker are dealing more than 4k then the Thief is a glass cannon and would have about 11k health and 2000-2500 armor (depending on wether he’s running cavalier or berserker).

All numbers were gathered from gw2skills.net and the wiki.

@OP – I apologize for a majority of the thief community that doesn’t just troll L2P. Saldy that is mostly all you will get on the forums here.

I am in the same area as you though. Rampant issue is the fact that even building toughness and vitality mean absolutely nothing. The same is true for any class building any critical/zerk in any area. I have 2k toughness and 600 vit on my thief, and I still get hit for over 11k on a C/D combo, 6k+ on a HS, and 12k+ from a rifle warrior. Oh, don’t forget the elementalist hitting me for 8.5k using churning earth, or 5.7k using dragon claw.

Again, I agree with you OP. Just the tip of the crap iceberg that is the Wild West Shootout … ugh, I mean WvWvW. :/

Best of luck though, and know that there are those of us that feel your frustration. Sadly a majority of these trolls on this thread just love to pitch a tent on their number “2” key.

In all honesty too, I agree, raise the cost to 5 int. On top of that, make toughness and vitality worth a kitten again.

I’m reminded of why I don’t bother with this forum anymore. What a broken record. Some guy comes in asking if there’s a possible bug because of the amount of damage he’s receiving with a huge amount of armor and it’s just the same “L2P”, insults, etc. over and over and over.

When playing a Super-Tanky Warrior in WvW it would be more beneficial for you to travel with a larger group of players (i.e. Following a Commander and Crew) This would allow you to be in the Front to soak up damage and prevent damage on others with you. (AoE has a 5 man cap* and if stacked you can mitigate most of it.)

*Siege weapons have a larger cap

Did he look like this? LOL

Sil.4560:

I’m reminded of why I don’t bother with this forum anymore. What a broken record. Some guy comes in asking if there’s a possible bug because of the amount of damage he’s receiving with a huge amount of armor and it’s just the same “L2P”, insults, etc. over and over and over.

I’m tires of hearing this response. The OP did nothing to test, provides no data or screen shots. Barely told us anything about anything except the fact he’s getting owned by heartseeker. Called a bug and posted here.

Seriously, what do you expect to get when you come here simply complaining about our profession?

I’d expect no less if I went onto the warrior boards. And complained about skull crack and then called a bug ontop of that. I’d never do such a thing because I have a much better understanding of the game than the OP.

I have no sympathy for noobs who complain. Especially ones who try to disguise thier complaint under the term bug without actually providing evidence or testing of said bug.

One Hundred Blades bug!!!

A warrior hit me with it and I stood there and then I died! Something is wrong with this ability, I’m not a noob, I shouldn’t die to that. I really wish I could get a dev response on this.

swinsk.6410:

Sil.4560:

I’m reminded of why I don’t bother with this forum anymore. What a broken record. Some guy comes in asking if there’s a possible bug because of the amount of damage he’s receiving with a huge amount of armor and it’s just the same “L2P”, insults, etc. over and over and over.

I’m tires of hearing this response. The OP did nothing to test, provides no data or screen shots. Barely told us anything about anything except the fact he’s getting owned by heartseeker. Called a bug and posted here.

Seriously, what do you expect to get when you come here simply complaining about our profession?

I’d expect no less if I went onto the warrior boards. And complained about skull crack and then called a bug ontop of that. I’d never do such a thing because I have a much better understanding of the game than the OP.

I have no sympathy for noobs who complain. Especially ones who try to disguise thier complaint under the term bug without actually providing evidence or testing of said bug.

He never whined, complained or asked for any nerf – he simply asked if there was a possible bug with heartseeker. This because he noticed that it is one of the only skills in the game that can hit him for over 4k. I too would probably start asking questions if I was used to see hits of 1k or 2k and then suddenly I was seeing 4-5k. He was asking if this was a bug, which it wasn’t. It was a powerful attack that hit him for about 50% of what it would hit a ranger for..

Geiir.7603:

swinsk.6410:

Sil.4560:

I’m reminded of why I don’t bother with this forum anymore. What a broken record. Some guy comes in asking if there’s a possible bug because of the amount of damage he’s receiving with a huge amount of armor and it’s just the same “L2P”, insults, etc. over and over and over.

I’m tires of hearing this response. The OP did nothing to test, provides no data or screen shots. Barely told us anything about anything except the fact he’s getting owned by heartseeker. Called a bug and posted here.

Seriously, what do you expect to get when you come here simply complaining about our profession?

I’d expect no less if I went onto the warrior boards. And complained about skull crack and then called a bug ontop of that. I’d never do such a thing because I have a much better understanding of the game than the OP.

I have no sympathy for noobs who complain. Especially ones who try to disguise thier complaint under the term bug without actually providing evidence or testing of said bug.

He never whined, complained or asked for any nerf – he simply asked if there was a possible bug with heartseeker. This because he noticed that it is one of the only skills in the game that can hit him for over 4k. I too would probably start asking questions if I was used to see hits of 1k or 2k and then suddenly I was seeing 4-5k. He was asking if this was a bug, which it wasn’t. It was a powerful attack that hit him for about 50% of what it would hit a ranger for..

Not sure what is causing this, I tried different sets of gear and the one with power, toughness and vitality seems to not be of any help with thieves. Not sure why the thief is the only profession that can hit me for over 4000+.

The P/T/V gear is the most tanky gear in the game, combined with P/T/V trinkets and weapons and P/T/V traits. With this build I would assume that any profession will become an extreme tank with huge resistance to attacks and with a low damage deal to opponents.

Like I said on my original post, I can last 5+ min on 1 vs 1 battle and I can take up to 5 attackers and survive for a good amount of time 1 minute maybe (if I run away) 30 seconds if I stay.

Anyway, the thing is that on the chat logs i see the thief doing huge amount of damage with heartseeker and backstab (4000+). The barzerker warrior can do lots of damage with burst skills and 100 blades, the only difference is that the warrior can not spam 100 blades every 1/2 sec.

So, that is why the questionis: is this a bug?

OP

Near 1 year into Wars 2 Anniversary,

Heartseeker, Backstab… have all been outputting Outrageous Damage.

I will say again and again and Forevermore again,

Everything you see and Witness by Theif class wasn’t made in error, everything from their designs, skills, traits,utitilites, abilities, are Intentional

With this another proven OP caught yet again in Tryannizing and being Responsible for Demolishing Class Balance- outputting Extreme Highest Single attack than every other class combine.. even matching up to in game- Mega-Bosses damage output, is Totally Outrageous.

Why in the world would a mmo game company, design a class to match the damage output of a ingame Mega-boss and to Support and Justify it?

As a Ranger,

Of course as been told countless of tiems, “buff up your toughness so it won’t make thieves easy to kill you”,

Well

How does a warrior "3684 toughness and 32605 HP all together: sound like?

Yet

Heartseeker theif able to output 7k damage in a single hit plus 4k on top of that and more.

How does that sound than?

Oh Yeah

Mind as well tell the Op that “he need to buff-up more so that a theif won’t kill him easy”

This whole class balancing especially theif class is becoming more of a comedy and theitric everyday.

And I Refuse to be Entertain by Tyranny and Oppresion

and Injustice; at all cost

Burnfall.9573:

And I Refuse to be Entertain by Tyranny and Oppresion

Wut

swinsk.6410:

Sil.4560:

I’m reminded of why I don’t bother with this forum anymore. What a broken record. Some guy comes in asking if there’s a possible bug because of the amount of damage he’s receiving with a huge amount of armor and it’s just the same “L2P”, insults, etc. over and over and over.

I’m tires of hearing this response. The OP did nothing to test, provides no data or screen shots. Barely told us anything about anything except the fact he’s getting owned by heartseeker. Called a bug and posted here.

Seriously, what do you expect to get when you come here simply complaining about our profession?

I’d expect no less if I went onto the warrior boards. And complained about skull crack and then called a bug ontop of that. I’d never do such a thing because I have a much better understanding of the game than the OP.

I have no sympathy for noobs who complain. Especially ones who try to disguise thier complaint under the term bug without actually providing evidence or testing of said bug.

Here,

I tested this with a mob of 5+ Hoping to see some heartseeker damage. I made sure to stay still to see how long I survived and for how much I got hit. AS you can see the video shows the thief was the only one to deal crazy damage. I’m not sure why the hits where ridiculously high. I wanted to see some heartseeker damage but instead I recorded more crazy damage coming from other skills named clock and dagger, and backstab.

Probably there is some kind of game code that is not working properly. I am not sure how 3.7K toughness can result with a 5k critical hit. I have even fought zerker warriors and they don’t hit me as hard as thieves. For this reason I am a little bit suspicious about these thief’s skills that deal this crazy damage.

Hitman.5829:

Here,

I tested this with a mob of 5+ Hoping to see some heartseeker damage. I made sure to stay still to see how long I survived and for how much I got hit. AS you can see the video shows the thief was the only one to deal crazy damage. I’m not sure why the hits where ridiculously high. I wanted to see some heartseeker damage but instead I recorded more crazy damage coming from other skills named clock and dagger, and backstab.

Probably there is some kind of game code that is not working properly. I am not sure how 3.7K toughness can result with a 5k critical hit. I have even fought zerker warriors and they don’t hit me as hard as thieves. For this reason I am a little bit suspicious about these thief’s skills that deal this crazy damage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvu0hpg3MGw

Video is set to private.

118% crit damage + 4035 power heartseeker alone can crit for 8900 in perfect conditions on 3800 armor. With no might and no vulnerability. Easily 10k+ish with might and vuln.

Hitman.5829:

Hello,

I have been running my warrior with power, toughness, vitality specs in ALL the gear including the weapons.

On the traits I have:

• 0/0/25/30/15

On the skill tab I have:

• Banner of defense (170 toughness)
• Dolyak signet (reduces incoming damage)

This gives me 3684 toughness and 32605 HP all together.

With this build I can survive almost any 1 vs 1 on WvW for over 5 minutes or possible even more. HOWEVER, I have been noticing that thieves are the only class that can hit me for 4700+. I have noticed that a certain skill call heartseeker is responsible for that.

Possible a bug since that damage is unrealistic considering how much toughness I have and how fast the thief can spam heartseeker.

I was checking videos on youtube about heartseeker when I came upon this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EehZhx_LZRk

Why would you complain about Heartseeker, and show a video whose whole purpose is to show auto-attacks out-damaging Heartseeker?
Is your point that the skill is NOT that great, but is still somehow managing to hit you hard when no other Thief skills are?

I can post you the numbers and calculations when I get off work. The numbers you are seeing are normal for a full zerker thief with the 30/30/0/0/10 traits. When you see the numbers you’ll understand a bit more

Burnfall.9573:

OP

Near 1 year into Wars 2 Anniversary,

Heartseeker, Backstab… have all been outputting Outrageous Damage.

I will say again and again and Forevermore again,

Everything you see and Witness by Theif class wasn’t made in error, everything from their designs, skills, traits,utitilites, abilities, are Intentional

With this another proven OP caught yet again in Tryannizing and being Responsible for Demolishing Class Balance- outputting Extreme Highest Single attack than every other class combine.. even matching up to in game- Mega-Bosses damage output, is Totally Outrageous.

Why in the world would a mmo game company, design a class to match the damage output of a ingame Mega-boss and to Support and Justify it?

As a Ranger,

Of course as been told countless of tiems, “buff up your toughness so it won’t make thieves easy to kill you”,

Well

How does a warrior "3684 toughness and 32605 HP all together: sound like?

Yet

Heartseeker theif able to output 7k damage in a single hit plus 4k on top of that and more.

How does that sound than?

Oh Yeah

Mind as well tell the Op that “he need to buff-up more so that a theif won’t kill him easy”

This whole class balancing especially theif class is becoming more of a comedy and theitric everyday.

And I Refuse to be Entertain by Tyranny and Oppresion

And if you don’t enjoy the game, then don’t play it. We won’t miss you.

Again you throw out mindless bullkitten and make it all sound like something political, which it isn’t. It’s a game! Get over it already!

You complain about thief being able to dish out 8k backstabs on this warrior and be able to do 7k heartseekers (note that he have to be below 25% hp for heartseeker to be effective…). Well guess what, his bunker build got busted by a bunker buster build. Everyone else will just make him scratch his nose and get on with his life, while the thief give him some challenge.

Try to look at it from out perspective; it isn’t easy to kill a warrior with that much hp. I would probably hit him for 2k with my build, so I would just run away and pray that he can’t land a kill shot….

First: toughness without protection is no good. Toughness is good vs many attacks that deal low-moderate damage, but against big hitters it really doesn’t help that much (especially when said big hitters are chained over a short time frame). If you really want to GUT a power burst build, you need: A) protection on yourself weakness on your opponent (or substitute both with C) blindness). If toughness alone would be a counter to power builds, then protection + blocks + blindness + weakness would completely neuter and kick out any sort of power builds forever.

Second: No matter how tanky you build, if you don’t use dodges smart, blocks, knockbacks or any other abilities / debuffs / buffs that negate / mitigate / absorb damage you won’t simply last as much as you could (ie: getting your healing interrupted is way worse than mistiming a block / dodge). A S/D ele can burst a heavy target practice golem in 1 second 100-0%, and is not a single large hit, but a sum of moderate attacks (which average 2-4k dmg each in a fast succession ~1-2s all hitting the target).

Third: A guardian with 1/3 of your hp would survive way longer if they use their skills / dodges smart, what does this tell you?

Fourth: Power builds – outside of weakness / blind / blocks / immunities, are meant to deal damage in large chunks, or they wouldn’t justify their purpose (ie: if my BS would crit on you for 2k, why the kitten’s paradise would I spec and gear to use it, when I could go condi and spam AA on several classes and deal way more damage without giving a small kitten about how much toughness you have or protection uptime etc). So yeah, if I hit you 3 times with my AA on sword as a thief, I’d expect to deal ~3-5k dmg as a sum of my hits, same as I would expect my PW landing all hits to do 3-5k damage as well (no protection, no aegis, no weakness or blind on myself etc), otherwise – what’s the point? I’d just go pew pew condi and load you up like a x-mas tree melting you in seconds xD

nahj.2870:

Hitman.5829:

Here,

I tested this with a mob of 5+ Hoping to see some heartseeker damage. I made sure to stay still to see how long I survived and for how much I got hit. AS you can see the video shows the thief was the only one to deal crazy damage. I’m not sure why the hits where ridiculously high. I wanted to see some heartseeker damage but instead I recorded more crazy damage coming from other skills named clock and dagger, and backstab.

Probably there is some kind of game code that is not working properly. I am not sure how 3.7K toughness can result with a 5k critical hit. I have even fought zerker warriors and they don’t hit me as hard as thieves. For this reason I am a little bit suspicious about these thief’s skills that deal this crazy damage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvu0hpg3MGw

Video is set to private.

Video is here,

swinsk.6410:

I’m tires of hearing this response. The OP did nothing to test, provides no data or screen shots. Barely told us anything about anything except the fact he’s getting owned by heartseeker. Called a bug and posted here.

Seriously, what do you expect to get when you come here simply complaining about our profession?

I’d expect no less if I went onto the warrior boards. And complained about skull crack and then called a bug ontop of that. I’d never do such a thing because I have a much better understanding of the game than the OP.

I have no sympathy for noobs who complain. Especially ones who try to disguise thier complaint under the term bug without actually providing evidence or testing of said bug.

I just now noticed that you actually responded to me, but it seems others have replied to you in my place anyway. Anyway, stop trying to rationalize rude behavior. OP was asking a question about a game mechanic because it functions so absurdly that he legitimately thought it was a bug. I can think of far worse things to say about the thief class than he has.

What I took away from that video is that you stood there doing absolutely nothing for over 20 seconds against 4 people and are complaining. Had you swung your sword once, you’d have hit the thief back for 2k+ damage with how glassy he had to be compared to the other people there. Furthermore, if you look at that thief’s autoattack, your retal hits almost as hard as his double strike (until you met a set of requirements like under 50% health + conditions + his initiative over 6 etc).

I got hit by an unusually painful heartseeker today. As I’ve been on a break from GW for couple months, I thought something was changed about thieves. I however took a screenie of the combat log, as it was pretty hilarious how fast I dropped.

Note that the first C&D hit me for 6.2k, which still kept my 17,6k healthpool above 50%. 7,5k HS seems pretty high to 50%+ hp target.

Oh, I think I got around 2,6-2,7k armor.

Maugetarr.6823:

What I took away from that video is that you stood there doing absolutely nothing for over 20 seconds against 4 people and are complaining. Had you swung your sword once, you’d have hit the thief back for 2k+ damage with how glassy he had to be compared to the other people there. Furthermore, if you look at that thief’s autoattack, your retal hits almost as hard as his double strike (until you met a set of requirements like under 50% health + conditions + his initiative over 6 etc).

You missed the point of the video completely. He wasn’t say “Oh my God, I died before I could even fight back and had no chance!”
He was showing how much damage the Thief was able to do through his defenses and how much more it was than the Mesmer.
The problem here though is that we have no idea what kind of build the Mesmer was using. If it was 100% GC just like the Thief likely was, I’m sure it would have done a comparable amount of damage.

Grimwolf.7163:

Maugetarr.6823:

What I took away from that video is that you stood there doing absolutely nothing for over 20 seconds against 4 people and are complaining. Had you swung your sword once, you’d have hit the thief back for 2k+ damage with how glassy he had to be compared to the other people there. Furthermore, if you look at that thief’s autoattack, your retal hits almost as hard as his double strike (until you met a set of requirements like under 50% health + conditions + his initiative over 6 etc).

You missed the point of the video completely. He wasn’t say “Oh my God, I died before I could even fight back and had no chance!”
He was showing how much damage the Thief was able to do through his defenses and how much more it was than the Mesmer.
The problem here though is that we have no idea what kind of build the Mesmer was using. If it was 100% GC just like the Thief likely was, I’m sure it would have done a comparable amount of damage.

I understand the point of the video, but it was a biased portrayal of the event. He wanted to show raw numbers and how unbalanced the thief is, but I was making the point that it took 3 other people helping the thief (who hit first) over 20 seconds to take down a bunker that only took the effort to drop banner of defense. In the meantime, without even attacking, he managed to output thousands of damage from retal alone. I’m not saying nerf retal. I’m not saying to nerf bunkers. I’m saying if the thief were not able to put out damage like that, a bunker would never go down. If you noticed, a (probably similarly specced) thief jumped to his aid and was downed easily. What I’m saying is that I’m tired of hearing how unbalanced the thief is when it takes that long to down someone intentionally not fighting back. A guardian with protection up would have taken longer. Bunker buster builds exist because bunkers exist.Yes it’s a lot of damage, but that was a lot of health and armor.

Edit:Also if you take the time to slow down the video, the 5.5kish backstab hit when he had 14 stacks of vulnerability on him. a lot of conditions had to be met for the thief to put out these high numbers on a bunker. Maybe I’m tired of my main getting nerfs so that my alts start seeing more playtime than my main.

Noss.4105:

I got hit by an unusually painful heartseeker today. As I’ve been on a break from GW for couple months, I thought something was changed about thieves. I however took a screenie of the combat log, as it was pretty hilarious how fast I dropped.

Note that the first C&D hit me for 6.2k, which still kept my 17,6k healthpool above 50%. 7,5k HS seems pretty high to 50%+ hp target.

Oh, I think I got around 2,6-2,7k armor.

You had 3 stacks of weakness from Cloak and Dagger, and burning from judges intervention. Both are conditions which means that he could deal 10% more damage from one trait. He also had over 6 initiative which gives him more damage.

If you had been below 25% hp he would have hit for far more than 7,5k. Creds to you for dodging his backstab, because that would probably have been devastating for you

Geiir.7603:

Noss.4105:

I got hit by an unusually painful heartseeker today. As I’ve been on a break from GW for couple months, I thought something was changed about thieves. I however took a screenie of the combat log, as it was pretty hilarious how fast I dropped.

Note that the first C&D hit me for 6.2k, which still kept my 17,6k healthpool above 50%. 7,5k HS seems pretty high to 50%+ hp target.

Oh, I think I got around 2,6-2,7k armor.

You had 3 stacks of weakness from Cloak and Dagger, and burning from judges intervention. Both are conditions which means that he could deal 10% more damage from one trait. He also had over 6 initiative which gives him more damage.

If you had been below 25% hp he would have hit for far more than 7,5k. Creds to you for dodging his backstab, because that would probably have been devastating for you

You act like that’s normal. Before my small break I would’ve never been hit for that much with heartseeker, so something must be off. 7k+ for minimum damage on HS is too high, way too high.