Thief omg fun

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Posted by: Yashuoa.9527

Yashuoa.9527

New player to guildswars here and normally I am not the one who plays the rogue/thief like profession, but omg, I just tryed it out with a lvl 3 in heart of the mists and omg its fun.

That mobility, shadowstep here, shadowstep there, stealth left and right. Daze attacks, stone/stun stuff, puul with a robe. I have never felt more like a rogue/thief like type.
You can even put down a shadowstep portal on a higher ground jump down, attack, and jump back up. So much fun. I like how being behind/the side of a target gives a different ability.

Trying out thief has made my profession choice even harder.
A few questions after all the enthusiasm.

Do you use a sword in your pvp build (weaponswap) for the infiltrator’s strike?
That ability makes me superduper happy.

I read how thiefs arent good in large scale fights but they have so much mobility and thus escapes. That should not make large scale fights hard right? You can pick targets out in all the chaos of a large scale fight. It could even be in your advantage.

When people talk about professions that are most difficult I read stuff like ele and engi.
Isnt thief the most difficult? To me it seems the profession with the biggest skillcap with all the options that you have with your positioning, timing, shadowsteps, dazing abilities and such. Right?

Does anyone know some recommendable pvp vids/streams of thiefs that I could watch?

Thief seems lot of fun in pvp to me with all their tricks vs real players but that might be different in pve vs npcs.

Do you find thief fun in pve too?
Why?

Thanks.

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Posted by: Jucetti.9835

Jucetti.9835

I myself am a dedicated thief player and hardly ever play other classes ^^
The main reason being mobility as you mentioned and the fact you have to be smart.

Here’s a build that I play, although i dont follow it exactly

http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Thief_-_Dagger/Pistol

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Posted by: Rezok.2709

Rezok.2709

Hello and welcome to the world of thieves! I’ve been playing thief as my main since pre-release. Here’s my take on your questions:

Do you use a sword in your pvp build (weaponswap) for the infiltrator’s strike?
That ability makes me superduper happy.

A lot got jumbled up in the recent patch, and this means that for high tier pvp you will not use sword. D/P with shortbow is the way to go there.
HOWEVER in unranked play or hotjoins sword is just fine. S/D was very viable before the patch, and I suspect it will be again once Anet gets more balancing done.
As for WvW, S/D is still fine aswell.
A quick view of weapon sets (not set in stone, but it will give you an idea about it):

S/D: WvW / unranked PvP
S/P: PvE
D/D: WvW / Unranked PvP / PvE
D/P: WvW, Ranked PvP
P/P: not too great atm, only used for fun
P/D: WVW (being our condition set)

[quote=5349250;Yashuoa.9527:I read how thieves arent good in large scale fights but they have so much mobility and thus escapes. That should not make large scale fights hard right? You can pick targets out in all the chaos of a large scale fight. It could even be in your advantage.[/quote]

The problem with a thief faces in a large scale fight is, that even random AoE to each side will deal heavy damage, and might even down you. As you point out yourself, our way of avoiding this humiliating death is mobility. The problem is, that if you shadowstep away to survive, you will not be helping your team. Take a guardian instead, they survive through heals and blocks. This means that they can continue to stay in the fight and be of help. That’s why people would prefer other professions for large scale fights. Should be noted that shortbow can help in quite a bit if you get a nice position for large scale fights.
Another thing is, that since thief got much mobility they can easily move between points, actually faster than anyone else. Also we excel at taking down a unaware target, so it’s simply better to stick to what we do better. Should be noted that if you see a large scale fight you can do certain combos to great effect, like shadowstep in for a backstab then shadowstep away and get back to your business – this will help your team down an enemy and hopefully win the point.

When people talk about professions that are most difficult I read stuff like ele and engi.
Isnt thief the most difficult? To me it seems the profession with the biggest skillcap with all the options that you have with your positioning, timing, shadowsteps, dazing abilities and such. Right?

Ele is difficult in that they have many abilities. Also they got many roles, being kind of a hybrid.
Engi is the same way, with weapon kits and being hybrid.
Thief do have a bad reputation though. Many people have been taken by a stealthed thief suddenly popping huge backstabs and it can be frustrating. This often leads to people believing thieves are easy to play. Just stealth and backstab. This is often the case in WvW where you can buff your stats to a bit overpowered levels with food and other buffs, but a lot of other professions can do this too.
Personally I’d say thief is among the harder to play in some aspects, but once you learn how other professions work, and how most people react thiefs are not as hard as an ele or engi. Especially because we can almost always just reset the fight or leave it if we don’t think we can win.

Does anyone know some recommendable pvp vids/streams of thiefs that I could watch?

Not watching too many streams, but I’d say go to youtube and search for “Thief roaming” or “Thief PvP”, or anything like it. Try to take new videos, preferably those after June 23, 2015 – this is where a big patch just landed, and watching older videos will often give wrong information about other professions they fight. Thieves have kept much of our old gameplay though, so you can watch older videos to learn how to use your abilities in PvP or WvW.

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Posted by: Rezok.2709

Rezok.2709

Thief seems lot of fun in pvp to me with all their tricks vs real players but that might be different in pve vs npcs.

Do you find thief fun in pve too?
Why?

Thieves are great for PvE too. World bosses aren’t our best thing atm, since P/P was our ranged weapon and it lost an important trait, and we are too squishy to stand in melee, but vs world bosses min/max won’t matter much, so play whatever you like.
In PvE zones like the Silverwastes thieves excel because we have such great mobility. You can easily go from one play to another (since those zones don’t have a lot of waypoints). This makes stuff like chest farming (google it if you don’t know it) way easier, and we are great at doing the events in level 80 zones too, having high damage aswell as essential abilities like group stealth on NPC carriers to make sure they won’t die or or quickly move to another point that needs help.