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#FixRampagers2014

Might stacks check, signet that gives you bonus check, full zerk, but no one ever kittenes about a warrior and their hundred blades doing more then that. Hmmm.

I don’t know what this thread is about… Still, a good display of full berserker 30/30/0/0/10 scholar runes build(99,9% sure) with 25 might stacks and booster I’d say.

You guys are all missing the point. Why are you judging balance from a pve perspective?

Pft we all know Anet balances around people whining here in threats about classes, there is no logic to it. I think Anet and Games workshop might be one in the same at this point.

Well then lets not give them more reasons to look into it.

And that video was dealing with perfect set ups, something that will never happen in pvp or even wvw. Basically testing out your damage on a HoTM golem and even then…

Yeah, what’s OP?
Can you be a bit more specific? What don’t you like? People not taking you into groups because you’re not a thief (or are because you are one)?

LOLOLOLOLOLOL
A Guardian does 56k WW, not OP. Warriors do half of that damage of HB when they aren’t optimized (25 stacks of bloodlust, might and vulnerability) for it and this is OP.
You trolls need to get a bit more creative

Like this comunity is these foruns is getting worse and worse everyday I come here

That’s why I asked what the point of this thread is (or the naming at least). If the initial poster was THE thief in the video and he was bragging about his pve min/maxed dmg – ok, I can dig that. Otherwise I see nothing OP – pretty much every class can make a build like that (a build that deals absurd amount of damage but has almost 0 defense).

The primitiveness of responses is showing in this thread.

Off topic: How is it a casual thief has incinerator?

On topic: Damage is fine. Add more partially digested husk style mobs if you want to promote more diverse teams in pve.

the OP doenst know the difference between thief dmg and GROUP dmg.

that said…warrior can do as much or more with a couple of skills like 100b or eviscerate.

nice story…not

Travlane.5948:

the OP doenst know the difference between thief dmg and GROUP dmg.

Oh, so I guess the thief was the only one with 25 stacks of might and 100% crit? Party buffs only go to the thief… checks out!

that said…warrior can do as much or more with a couple of skills like 100b or eviscerate.

nice story…not

Let’s see your video of your warrior doing 47k evis or 100b… besides Warriors are so 2013.

Tree.3916:

Travlane.5948:

the OP doenst know the difference between thief dmg and GROUP dmg.

Oh, so I guess the thief was the only one with 25 stacks of might and 100% crit? Party buffs only go to the thief… checks out!

that said…warrior can do as much or more with a couple of skills like 100b or eviscerate.

nice story…not

Let’s see your video of your warrior doing 47k evis or 100b… besides Warriors are so 2013.

i dont play warrior. i play thief. i have tested EVISCERATE, 100b, and BACKSTAB all in wvw under same conditions.

full zerk
25 stacks might
25 stacks vulnerability
25 stacks bloodlust

and they were both the same dmg. only REAL difference is that warrior had higher HP/toughness/defense/armor and more attacks per X time.

yes a warrior can do this but i really dont do COE anymore as i have every legendary and dont need the money.

i would like to see this in a experimental set up. that means no group buffs and no group debuffs. its so unrealistic and even with group help …its PVE dungeon which are very easy. even COF is harder than COE. that build hes running cannot go anywhere other than easy nub areas.

as a matter of fact i could go get a naked engineer and beat that thief in 1v1…thats how fragile he is.

Travlane.5948:

i dont play warrior. i play thief. i have tested EVISCERATE, 100b, and BACKSTAB all in wvw under same conditions.

full zerk
25 stacks might
25 stacks vulnerability
25 stacks bloodlust

and they were both the same dmg. only REAL difference is that warrior had higher HP/toughness/defense/armor and more attacks per X time.

Forgive me for not taking your word for it but do you have any physical proof for these results? It must be incredibly difficult to get control like conditions in WvWvW for experimenting. I would like to see how you did it so I can try it myself.

Travlane.5948:

yes a warrior can do this but i really dont do COE anymore as i have every legendary and dont need the money.

That’s fine, but if you can’t back up your claims with evidence then it is not wise to make such claims.

Travlane.5948:

i would like to see this in a experimental set up. that means no group buffs and no group debuffs. its so unrealistic and even with group help …its PVE dungeon which are very easy. even COF is harder than COE. that build hes running cannot go anywhere other than easy nub areas.

How can you say that it is unrealistic when the goal of dungeons is for 5 people to complete a path; not one.

Travlane.5948:

as a matter of fact i could go get a naked engineer and beat that thief in 1v1…thats how fragile he is.

Good thing this is a team game. Most people get upset when challenged and offer “1v1 fite me bra” but the reality is, in PvP there is no guarantee of a 1v1 so why force such a situation. There is no best player, there is the best team.

If the idea is class x challenges class y to a dps test and both have those perfect set ups(25 might, same crit dmg/power, 25 vulnerability) why not just do it with none of those? If your goal is to see who can hit harder why worry about some unreliable set up.

Also warrior eviscerate and kill shot both have higher dmg coefficients than the back side dmg from backstab, and thats just single hit. Add bursts that other professions can and have come up with, the burst in x seconds is marginal at best. Thief also puts themselves at risk pulling builds like that off, and die w/ little effort(called glass cannon). There is no argument to be made here, other than that thief can be useful in dungeons for dps.

Put that same build in high level fractals or pvp and their highest dps will be the few seconds they’re downed before they’re finished off.

Small test:

Both character’s were made to have equal power, and analyzed for their single high damage hit skills. Thief with backstab, and warrior with eviscerate. I added 7 points into DA for thief so the power values would be as close as possible due to the fact that axes have a naturally higher damage bracket, but all other traits/gear were removed. Then to show the scaling coefficients of these skills, I added a berserker amulet with a berserker jewel. Here are the results.

Without amulet
Warrior http://imgur.com/Xyw49bT
Thief http://imgur.com/stQWpFY

With amulet(to show the scaling)
Warrior http://imgur.com/BC1nWC6
Thief http://imgur.com/2i0KVs4

So what does this prove exactly? It proves warrior is just as capable of spiking nasty hits like thief, in fact more so. Thief only has the luxury of repeating this process slightly quicker but in return has little to no defenses and is punished heavily for mistakes. A dead thief = 0 dps.

Tree.3916:

Travlane.5948:

i dont play warrior. i play thief. i have tested EVISCERATE, 100b, and BACKSTAB all in wvw under same conditions.

full zerk
25 stacks might
25 stacks vulnerability
25 stacks bloodlust

and they were both the same dmg. only REAL difference is that warrior had higher HP/toughness/defense/armor and more attacks per X time.

Forgive me for not taking your word for it but do you have any physical proof for these results? It must be incredibly difficult to get control like conditions in WvWvW for experimenting. I would like to see how you did it so I can try it myself.

Travlane.5948:

yes a warrior can do this but i really dont do COE anymore as i have every legendary and dont need the money.

That’s fine, but if you can’t back up your claims with evidence then it is not wise to make such claims.

Travlane.5948:

i would like to see this in a experimental set up. that means no group buffs and no group debuffs. its so unrealistic and even with group help …its PVE dungeon which are very easy. even COF is harder than COE. that build hes running cannot go anywhere other than easy nub areas.

How can you say that it is unrealistic when the goal of dungeons is for 5 people to complete a path; not one.

Travlane.5948:

as a matter of fact i could go get a naked engineer and beat that thief in 1v1…thats how fragile he is.

Good thing this is a team game. Most people get upset when challenged and offer “1v1 fite me bra” but the reality is, in PvP there is no guarantee of a 1v1 so why force such a situation. There is no best player, there is the best team.

1) read the comment just above this. warrior does higher dmg.

2) it is provable. d/d cannot make 25 or even close stacks of vuln and you had 19stacks of might given from teammates along with fury.

3)yes i can back up my claims. check pic at bottom of this.

4) it IS unrealistic. bc for it to be OP it would have to be self reliant and applicable by yourself. if you get every buff in game from teammates and then hit hard…u cant say its OP bc its help from teammates. what dont you get?

5) you are right…there IS no guarantee of a 1 v 1. tell you what. ill get 5 engineers. you get 15 thieves with this suicide build. u will die everytime. THAT is fact. i could get 5 necros or 5 guardians too. doesnt matter. bc 1v1 was me giving a CONSERVATIVE example. the higher it goes…like 8v8 or 50v50…the worse it gets for this thief build.

bottom line is its ANYTHING but overpowering. perspective buddy….perspective. keep it in perspective and you will find the truth wherever you look.

NinjaEd.3946:

Small test:

Both character’s were made to have equal power, and analyzed for their single high damage hit skills. Thief with backstab, and warrior with eviscerate. I added 7 points into DA for thief so the power values would be as close as possible due to the fact that axes have a naturally higher damage bracket, but all other traits/gear were removed. Then to show the scaling coefficients of these skills, I added a berserker amulet with a berserker jewel. Here are the results.

Without amulet
Warrior http://imgur.com/Xyw49bT
Thief http://imgur.com/stQWpFY

With amulet(to show the scaling)
Warrior http://imgur.com/BC1nWC6
Thief http://imgur.com/2i0KVs4

So what does this prove exactly? It proves warrior is just as capable of spiking nasty hits like thief, in fact more so. Thief only has the luxury of repeating this process slightly quicker but in return has little to no defenses and is punished heavily for mistakes. A dead thief = 0 dps.

thanks for posting this…saved me some work. people dont keep it in perspective.

kudos!

ITT: “Thief is bad because I die 2 much lel”

Well in pve where people think zerker is unstoppable, yeah I tend to see a lot of dead thieves. Heck I even see a lot of dead warriors. Point is OP posted a video of a thief hitting hard and people seem to delude themselves into thinking ONLY thief can do that which is not at all true.

NinjaEd.3946:

Well in pve where people think zerker is unstoppable, yeah I tend to see a lot of dead thieves. Heck I even see a lot of dead warriors. Point is OP posted a video of a thief hitting hard and people seem to delude themselves into thinking ONLY thief can do that which is not at all true.

The OP doesn’t think that, the OP is quite well informed of how much damage each class can do.

Didn’t say the op thinks they’re op, I’m saying (some of) the people who watched it and commented are getting that idea (not naming anyone).

Many people before though already expressed their points, thief isn’t on that spike dmg pedestal alone.

hybrid.5027:

NinjaEd.3946:

Well in pve where people think zerker is unstoppable, yeah I tend to see a lot of dead thieves. Heck I even see a lot of dead warriors. Point is OP posted a video of a thief hitting hard and people seem to delude themselves into thinking ONLY thief can do that which is not at all true.

The OP doesn’t think that, the OP is quite well informed of how much damage each class can do.

so the OP is being 100% sarcastic then right?

NinjaEd.3946:

Didn’t say the op thinks they’re op, I’m saying (some of) the people who watched it and commented are getting that idea (not naming anyone).

Many people before though already expressed their points, thief isn’t on that spike dmg pedestal alone.

the people might get the idea….from his thread title…

“Thiefs (think he means Thieves here) are OP (means OVERPOWERED) Nerf pls”

:P fail.

NinjaEd.3946:

Small test:

Both character’s were made to have equal power, and analyzed for their single high damage hit skills. Thief with backstab, and warrior with eviscerate. I added 7 points into DA for thief so the power values would be as close as possible due to the fact that axes have a naturally higher damage bracket, but all other traits/gear were removed. Then to show the scaling coefficients of these skills, I added a berserker amulet with a berserker jewel. Here are the results.

Without amulet
Warrior http://imgur.com/Xyw49bT
Thief http://imgur.com/stQWpFY

With amulet(to show the scaling)
Warrior http://imgur.com/BC1nWC6
Thief http://imgur.com/2i0KVs4

So what does this prove exactly? It proves warrior is just as capable of spiking nasty hits like thief, in fact more so. Thief only has the luxury of repeating this process slightly quicker but in return has little to no defenses and is punished heavily for mistakes. A dead thief = 0 dps.

Just a question, did your tests have the traits added for the % dmg? since a thief has more multipliers then a warrior…

The only traits I added was 7 into DA, none of which provides any % bonuses or conversions (minor trait grants poison on steal).

Reason being like I said, axe has a naturaly higher hitting point so to accurately display the scaling of additional power from the zerker amulet I wanted to make the baselines the same. Even still with 70 extra power, eviscerate was higher. In fact without the amulet, BS hit harder than eviscerate stage 2, but with the amulet bs hit less than eviscerate stage 2.

nuff said here. warrior = stronger in every aspect

Travlane.5948:

nuff said here. warrior = stronger in every aspect

Except single target DPS.

Tree.3916:

Travlane.5948:

nuff said here. warrior = stronger in every aspect

Except single target DPS.

arguable actually on a few variables.

1) location
2) type of target
3) pve
4) wvw
5) spvp/tpvp
6) large groups
5) small groups.

if you look at in on paper i give the slight edge to thief on SINGLE target tdps but even so warrior is close on paper and with smae skills does multiple targets.

if youlook at it in practicality then it goes to warrior having highest DPS. dont forget dps is damager per second. not highest average strike. warrior doesnt have to set up or anything they just full on blast that dmg out. thief has to back up…heal…hide….stealth again then run around for a backstab….. see the difference? all the time a thief …is acting like a thief the warrior is just looking to smash like hulk bc his defense is all passive

Did you guys got the idea right here? This is a troll topic, the OP doesn’t even came here anymore after opening this. Also this is in a PvE envirement, builds are different from PvE to WvW to sPvP, so for all you thinking that he actually cares about this (the OP), who cares wich does more damage at PvE? Finishing a dgn faster? Thats what is it OP about this, finishing a dgn faster 1 or 2 mins. LOL

mPascoal.4258:

Did you guys got the idea right here? This is a troll topic, the OP doesn’t even came here anymore after opening this. Also this is in a PvE envirement, builds are different from PvE to WvW to sPvP, so for all you thinking that he actually cares about this (the OP), who cares wich does more damage at PvE? Finishing a dgn faster? Thats what is it OP about this, finishing a dgn faster 1 or 2 mins. LOL

no they actually thing they are right. go to the youtube page. its hillarious. they wont even accept that its like 50% dmg giving by the group buffs :P

mPascoal.4258:

Did you guys got the idea right here? This is a troll topic, the OP doesn’t even came here anymore after opening this. Also this is in a PvE envirement, builds are different from PvE to WvW to sPvP, so for all you thinking that he actually cares about this (the OP), who cares wich does more damage at PvE? Finishing a dgn faster? Thats what is it OP about this, finishing a dgn faster 1 or 2 mins. LOL

Pretending to be above PvE is top lel. People do care about top PvE dps, might surprise you.

Travlane doesn’t understand math and doesn’t understand how dps is calculated.

Tree.3916:

mPascoal.4258:

Did you guys got the idea right here? This is a troll topic, the OP doesn’t even came here anymore after opening this. Also this is in a PvE envirement, builds are different from PvE to WvW to sPvP, so for all you thinking that he actually cares about this (the OP), who cares wich does more damage at PvE? Finishing a dgn faster? Thats what is it OP about this, finishing a dgn faster 1 or 2 mins. LOL

Pretending to be above PvE is top lel. People do care about top PvE dps, might surprise you.

Travlane doesn’t understand math and doesn’t understand how dps is calculated.

yyyyyyyyyet im the one explaining it and have a masters..and yet….. nobody could say i was wrong. bc they obv dont play thief if they think thief dmg is on average higher than warrior dmg on average (time average not hit average)

Damage over Time will be higher on warrior. they need not take breaks or great space or set up attacks. they just keep pressing forward to target in PVE and attack.

if you go to low lvl zones and count the 1 and 2 hit kills…. well this is an entirely different conversation. if we also count enemies that dont really hit you like the one in the video that has 1 attack you ahve to dodge…then yeah its a kitten ed close battle.

but….GENERALLY….thief is dodging…creating gaps….healing up….going stealth…running behind…setting up etc….then rinse and repeating. his spike hits are high…..but his sustained dmg over time….not so good due to the acrobatics his class uses for survival and deadly strikes

DPS is calculated…

X= Total cumulative damage
S= Total Time, in seconds, of which the cumulative damage was dealt

X/S = DPS

still dont think i know how? btw you are welcome for the 5th grade equation that u seem to lack TREE

You seem to think you’re proving some kind of point, but you’re not. All buffs being equal, a Thief has greater damage potential over time than a Warrior in pve using meta builds. This is undeniable: they have superior weapon coefficients/time and superior base damage modifiers. If you compare coefficients of attack skills over time and base damage modifiers there really isn’t any debate whatsoever, unless you intentionally misrepresent that.

Travlane.5948:

Tree.3916:

Travlane.5948:

the OP doenst know the difference between thief dmg and GROUP dmg.

Oh, so I guess the thief was the only one with 25 stacks of might and 100% crit? Party buffs only go to the thief… checks out!

that said…warrior can do as much or more with a couple of skills like 100b or eviscerate.

nice story…not

Let’s see your video of your warrior doing 47k evis or 100b… besides Warriors are so 2013.

i dont play warrior. i play thief. i have tested EVISCERATE, 100b, and BACKSTAB all in wvw under same conditions.

full zerk
25 stacks might
25 stacks vulnerability
25 stacks bloodlust

and they were both the same dmg. only REAL difference is that warrior had higher HP/toughness/defense/armor and more attacks per X time.

yes a warrior can do this but i really dont do COE anymore as i have every legendary and dont need the money.

i would like to see this in a experimental set up. that means no group buffs and no group debuffs. its so unrealistic and even with group help …its PVE dungeon which are very easy. even COF is harder than COE. that build hes running cannot go anywhere other than easy nub areas.

as a matter of fact i could go get a naked engineer and beat that thief in 1v1…thats how fragile he is.

So how on earth have you tested warrior dmg in wvw, if you yell in other thread that you have played ONLY 1 game of warrior in spvp? you are full of kittens in every thread you are in, arguing about anything.
your end point is – warrior so op, needs nerf. thiefs so up(and takes alot of skill to play, lol), needs huge buff
your every argument are based on nothing, you always bring random made up numbers and made up facts into it thinking that people will believe your word

True example of internet knight

btw travlone, if you are implying that you have masters as in education, since when you can obtain it at age of teenager ( or younger). You must be true genius then, as we see in threads

Against a sack of potatoes, maybe. But outside of that I don’t see thief being higher dps against a/x on a warrior with the same type of glass stats (full power/crit dmg, etc). This is excluding party buffs, because their influence can only be the same (25 might, banners, water spirit, w/e). The class by themselves, I don’t see thief out doing warrior in a boss fight of any kind.

With the right build, thief CAN survive pve bosses just as good as warrior. It’s been proven from shout outs (grenth solo as 1 example), and most importantly pve bosses are predictable. They all have some rotation and if you spot it you win. Even still the best of players are prone to slip up time to time (talking pve still… feel dirty for even putting “best of” and pve in the same post O.o), and of the 2 thief takes those punishments much worse than warrior. The aa on axe combined with eviscerate and constant might/vuln stacks and I can’t see a thief comparing without serious risks involved.

Anyways I’ve expressed my concerns. Not siding with any names here nor affiliating with team thief or team warrior. Simply pointing out that people should look at not just numbers but the big picture, both of which imo, are not in the thief’s favor. Certainly there are differences between wvw and pvp but that doesn’t mean the results differ. Only difference is a thief can stealth and in close quarters can surprise their prey, but they die so quick I might as well open up the trade post and see if it loads before the thief is dead.

If we are talking PvE and highest DPS you have to assume max buffs for everyone since.. thats how it is in organized PvE parties where these builds shine, and im like 90% sure that if all buffs are met the thief will out DPS the warrior quite easily due to higher damage rotations that occur more frequently. You cant compare thief and warrior with no outside buffs since everyone knows the warrior wins due to his crazy self buffing power, but in an organized group where everyone si sharing buffs the warrior loses that advantage and the thief pulls ahead.

Travlane.5948:

Tree.3916:

Travlane.5948:

the OP doenst know the difference between thief dmg and GROUP dmg.

Oh, so I guess the thief was the only one with 25 stacks of might and 100% crit? Party buffs only go to the thief… checks out!

that said…warrior can do as much or more with a couple of skills like 100b or eviscerate.

nice story…not

Let’s see your video of your warrior doing 47k evis or 100b… besides Warriors are so 2013.

i dont play warrior. i play thief. i have tested EVISCERATE, 100b, and BACKSTAB all in wvw under same conditions.

full zerk
25 stacks might
25 stacks vulnerability
25 stacks bloodlust

and they were both the same dmg. only REAL difference is that warrior had higher HP/toughness/defense/armor and more attacks per X time.

yes a warrior can do this but i really dont do COE anymore as i have every legendary and dont need the money.

i would like to see this in a experimental set up. that means no group buffs and no group debuffs. its so unrealistic and even with group help …its PVE dungeon which are very easy. even COF is harder than COE. that build hes running cannot go anywhere other than easy nub areas.

as a matter of fact i could go get a naked engineer and beat that thief in 1v1…thats how fragile he is.

How do you extensibvely test in WvW and PvE when you only have a lvl 2?

By your words….

Unless you have been lying to everyone…

Travlane.5948:

bobomb.5209:

Level 2 anything just means that you only play PvP honestly.
I have a level 2 Elementalist

if i have a lvl 13 pvp account (is pvp character or account based?) either way it will prove.

lvl 2 warrior. no rank spvp.

all other characters lvl 80 (guard engineer THIEF necro) and no rank or 13 rank spvp.

i mean… pfft right? how does that say i dont play warrior? i have never logged onto a warrior until that experient.

Also, How do you test something…when you dont know what you are actually doing on it…since you have ZERO experience

Travlane.5948:

i have NEVER played warrior before. i did well. TOP kills. 2nd score. did well. top defenderand top assaulter. bottom line if u play a class you have never even logged onto before…. itllshow how bad you are too. btw i got all my points WITHOUT CAPPING so yeah. try again?

Explain how you were able to test so extensively in either thread if you have never had a warrior to 80 and never played it…

According to you…

Tree.3916:

You seem to think you’re proving some kind of point, but you’re not. All buffs being equal, a Thief has greater damage potential over time than a Warrior in pve using meta builds. This is undeniable: they have superior weapon coefficients/time and superior base damage modifiers. If you compare coefficients of attack skills over time and base damage modifiers there really isn’t any debate whatsoever, unless you intentionally misrepresent that.

you said i dont know what DPS is. so yes there is a point proved …DUH….

and 2…. i will agree with you on the fact about thief over time dmg being greater than warrior in PVE under 1 condition only…. the target is a joke. if the target is a joke and doesntreally do much dmg or often or aoe or w.e. (fractals would be a better example….no way thief does more dmg dodging hiding, evading using SB etc).
but when you are a real enemy…one that u cant solo (like the one in the video) then the warrior is much more dmging over time. they dont have to run…they dont/cant invis…and they dont really pres any evades…they just heal and smash. so their dmg is higher normally …plus they are keeping the dmg constant….not backing off half the time…. its obvious.

TLDR

easy enemies – you right
hard enemies – Im right

Solori.6025:

Travlane.5948:

Tree.3916:

Travlane.5948:

the OP doenst know the difference between thief dmg and GROUP dmg.

Oh, so I guess the thief was the only one with 25 stacks of might and 100% crit? Party buffs only go to the thief… checks out!

that said…warrior can do as much or more with a couple of skills like 100b or eviscerate.

nice story…not

Let’s see your video of your warrior doing 47k evis or 100b… besides Warriors are so 2013.

i dont play warrior. i play thief. i have tested EVISCERATE, 100b, and BACKSTAB all in wvw under same conditions.

full zerk
25 stacks might
25 stacks vulnerability
25 stacks bloodlust

and they were both the same dmg. only REAL difference is that warrior had higher HP/toughness/defense/armor and more attacks per X time.

yes a warrior can do this but i really dont do COE anymore as i have every legendary and dont need the money.

i would like to see this in a experimental set up. that means no group buffs and no group debuffs. its so unrealistic and even with group help …its PVE dungeon which are very easy. even COF is harder than COE. that build hes running cannot go anywhere other than easy nub areas.

as a matter of fact i could go get a naked engineer and beat that thief in 1v1…thats how fragile he is.

How do you extensibvely test in WvW and PvE when you only have a lvl 2?

By your words….

Unless you have been lying to everyone…

Travlane.5948:

bobomb.5209:

Level 2 anything just means that you only play PvP honestly.
I have a level 2 Elementalist

if i have a lvl 13 pvp account (is pvp character or account based?) either way it will prove.

lvl 2 warrior. no rank spvp.

all other characters lvl 80 (guard engineer THIEF necro) and no rank or 13 rank spvp.

i mean… pfft right? how does that say i dont play warrior? i have never logged onto a warrior until that experient.

Also, How do you test something…when you dont know what you are actually doing on it…since you have ZERO experience

Travlane.5948:

i have NEVER played warrior before. i did well. TOP kills. 2nd score. did well. top defenderand top assaulter. bottom line if u play a class you have never even logged onto before…. itllshow how bad you are too. btw i got all my points WITHOUT CAPPING so yeah. try again?

Explain how you were able to test so extensively in either thread if you have never had a warrior to 80 and never played it…

According to you…

my brother is main warrior only. we group alot. we compare dmg alot. stats alot. builds alot. like a brotherly rivalry. besides…not like i cant read or watch videos online

Delay.6908:

If we are talking PvE and highest DPS you have to assume max buffs for everyone since.. thats how it is in organized PvE parties where these builds shine, and im like 90% sure that if all buffs are met the thief will out DPS the warrior quite easily due to higher damage rotations that occur more frequently. You cant compare thief and warrior with no outside buffs since everyone knows the warrior wins due to his crazy self buffing power, but in an organized group where everyone si sharing buffs the warrior loses that advantage and the thief pulls ahead.

if the enemy isnt doing dmg and the thief has to heal up/invis/dodge/evade yes true.

also if u consider community buffs…the Thief isnt OP….

you say the warrior can do more dmg due to buffs….true.

so who does more dmg? thief or warrior? its warrior saying “well dont buff me i already have the buffs” and the thief saying " well buff me so i can do more dmg since i cant by myself" and the warrior saying “well HE is not doing more dmg if HE cant get the buffs HIMSELF…. i win”

get it?>

Introp.8465:

Travlane.5948:

Tree.3916:

Travlane.5948:

the OP doenst know the difference between thief dmg and GROUP dmg.

Oh, so I guess the thief was the only one with 25 stacks of might and 100% crit? Party buffs only go to the thief… checks out!

that said…warrior can do as much or more with a couple of skills like 100b or eviscerate.

nice story…not

Let’s see your video of your warrior doing 47k evis or 100b… besides Warriors are so 2013.

i dont play warrior. i play thief. i have tested EVISCERATE, 100b, and BACKSTAB all in wvw under same conditions.

full zerk
25 stacks might
25 stacks vulnerability
25 stacks bloodlust

and they were both the same dmg. only REAL difference is that warrior had higher HP/toughness/defense/armor and more attacks per X time.

yes a warrior can do this but i really dont do COE anymore as i have every legendary and dont need the money.

i would like to see this in a experimental set up. that means no group buffs and no group debuffs. its so unrealistic and even with group help …its PVE dungeon which are very easy. even COF is harder than COE. that build hes running cannot go anywhere other than easy nub areas.

as a matter of fact i could go get a naked engineer and beat that thief in 1v1…thats how fragile he is.

So how on earth have you tested warrior dmg in wvw, if you yell in other thread that you have played ONLY 1 game of warrior in spvp? you are full of kittens in every thread you are in, arguing about anything.
your end point is – warrior so op, needs nerf. thiefs so up(and takes alot of skill to play, lol), needs huge buff
your every argument are based on nothing, you always bring random made up numbers and made up facts into it thinking that people will believe your word

True example of internet knight

btw travlone, if you are implying that you have masters as in education, since when you can obtain it at age of teenager ( or younger). You must be true genius then, as we see in threads

masters in psychology actually. not that that matters and im basically 30. 2 weeks away. there is nothing in life you will ever outshine me at. i can tell by your comments on your last thread. whole thread was basically saying 1 thing…u another and even when u had proof….a 0 xperience warrior doing VERY well…. it wasnt proof…just was absolutely nothing. you are a “nana nana boo boo i am rubber you are glue” debater. gluck ill be ignoring you til you come correct lil boy. show your facebook so we can laugh.

Travlane.5948:

Delay.6908:

If we are talking PvE and highest DPS you have to assume max buffs for everyone since.. thats how it is in organized PvE parties where these builds shine, and im like 90% sure that if all buffs are met the thief will out DPS the warrior quite easily due to higher damage rotations that occur more frequently. You cant compare thief and warrior with no outside buffs since everyone knows the warrior wins due to his crazy self buffing power, but in an organized group where everyone si sharing buffs the warrior loses that advantage and the thief pulls ahead.

if the enemy isnt doing dmg and the thief has to heal up/invis/dodge/evade yes true.

also if u consider community buffs…the Thief isnt OP….

you say the warrior can do more dmg due to buffs….true.

so who does more dmg? thief or warrior? its warrior saying “well dont buff me i already have the buffs” and the thief saying " well buff me so i can do more dmg since i cant by myself" and the warrior saying “well HE is not doing more dmg if HE cant get the buffs HIMSELF…. i win”

get it?>

The context of this entire thread is PvE dungeon groups. everyone shares the same group buffs.

1. Skill coefficients/time Thief > Warrior
2. Base damage modifiers Thief > Warrior

It’s very simple.

I wonder if I would blow your mind to tell you the following classes also have better dps than warriors: Guardians, Phantasm Mesmers, and Elementalists.

eviscerate is more dmg than backstab…. so thats false.
100b is more dmg than unload…so again thats false

some classes have better burst dmg than warriors…like mesmerthey can do a 3 sec burst thats pretty high but after that they gotta wait. thats not dps thats burst.

you arent very good at this….