Guild Wars 2

Just to test the ability of how quick a thief could kill a guardian with full health spec and loads of stuns breakers / interupts / blocks.

Thief was interupted twice, guardian broke immobilize and stun twice…..blocks damage twice, dodge twice……….still dies in seconds…..and that’s IF you can see him and IF you know your being attacked….your usually dead before you can even do any of the above..

While the thief was still invisible most of the time….

Please fix Arena Net, in WvW it’s alot worse.

I mean warrior with gs is still OP but atleast you can sort of counter it or if your lucky and not immobilized / stunned get away from it. If you are stunned or immobilze with everything on cooldown then bye bye dead in seconds….

With thief its just ridiculous.

I don’t think any profession should have the ability to kill any other profession in the game in just a few seconds…..

Its just not balanced.

There was no changes to Thief.
In regards to your statement.
1.) Thief was interrupted? On his Hide in the Shadows?
2.) Broke immobilize twice, therefore hes may be using poisons, stun twice, therefore hes sword pistol.
3.) “If you can see him”? Albeit that thief can go Stealth, your previous statement tells me he is using Devourer Venom or Infil Strike which uses one of his utility slots. Also there is a 3 second CD on going back into stealth. Assuming he had blinding powder and Shadow Refuge he only has three abilities that stealth him. You supposedly interrupted one, since interrupting his Hide would place it on a short cooldown.
4.) When a thief attacks out of stealth he is no longer stealthed. And the same 3 sec CD is applied.

What it sounds like to me is that the Thief is using a haste S/P build and just burned you down. This however is easily countered by
A.) Dodging
B.) Stun breaker
C.) CC’ing him. Guardians have good CC.

Vytal.7942:

There was no changes to Thief.
In regards to your statement.
1.) Thief was interrupted? On his Hide in the Shadows?
2.) Broke immobilize twice, therefore hes may be using poisons, stun twice, therefore hes sword pistol.
3.) “If you can see him”? Albeit that thief can go Stealth, your previous statement tells me he is using Devourer Venom or Infil Strike which uses one of his utility slots. Also there is a 3 second CD on going back into stealth. Assuming he had blinding powder and Shadow Refuge he only has three abilities that stealth him. You supposedly interrupted one, since interrupting his Hide would place it on a short cooldown.
4.) When a thief attacks out of stealth he is no longer stealthed. And the same 3 sec CD is applied.

What it sounds like to me is that the Thief is using a haste S/P build and just burned you down. This however is easily countered by
A.) Dodging
B.) Stun breaker
C.) CC’ing him. Guardians have good CC.

Your mis understood, we tested this as mutiple professions……im sorry but no profession should have the ability to kill another profession in just a few seconds…

Its plain and simple OP. No profession not just the thief any profession should not be to do it.

Also if you bothered to read, we used dodging, stun breaking, cc’s and interrupts. Once those were on cooldown….thief kills any profession with full health spec in seconds….

Also the thief was invisible sometimes while attacking….so either its bugged or not working as intended….or it takes too long for them to come out of stealth…maybe the cooldown to go back into stealth is too short.

i think the Guardian should wear less DPS gear and more pvp gear. Even my engineer does not die that fast unless i am in DPS gear

Or it could be a latency problem? I play a warrior in WvWvW, and I can nuke things much faster than my thief ever could. Haste set-up and all. Also I frequently play my Ele which has like 16k HP and I’ve never had a problem with Thieves. Can you provide some more info, you say you are full tanky specced but is there a level difference between the Thief and yourself. That does play a huge factor, since the power ratio would be quite higher.

The point is no profession should be able to kill another profession in a few seconds……no matter what the setup or circumstances, it really should not be in the game. It’s not good for anyone or for the game.

The problem is, even though you think you are, you aren’t providing the community with any hard data. All you are saying is my guy dies is 2 seconds to a Thief and cries OP on the matter at hand. You have a combat log for a reason, if you can repeat the experiment post your findings here. All you seem to be asking for right now is a knee jerk nerf, and as stated Anet already said they won’t do that. So my suggestion is since it was your friend and you.
Post:
1.) The guardians gear, spec and level
2.) The Thief’s gear, spec and level
3.) Your combat log on the damage done and the skills used.
4.) His combat log on the damage done and skills used.

Without this, anyone can say anything, like if I were to say oh man Mesmer killed me in .001 seconds, super OP, used all kinds of skills against him, still killed me, bad for game, need nerf!!!!

See no one would listen seriously to that.

I find this thread to be a little weird but Ill get to that in a second.

They are not overpowered inmo, But this depends on which class you are playing as and how are you fighting this thief, is it 1v1 or in groups. They do have some skills that are overpowering like being able to become invisible with every other skill and then running away. Hey, atleast they changed their names from Assassins to Thiefs as they are cowards, thiefs = Cowards.

I am a Human Ranger, and have faced a thief 1on1 several time in PVP and have killed several of them in 1on1, sometimes I have died as well but never quickly, takes easily atleast 60 seconds before Im anywhere near dying. But this is heavily dependent on your Utility skills, Elite Skills, Healing Skills, choice of weaponry and Traits …. but you knew that already right?… right. The thing is that I play an offensive Ranger with my main a longbow and secondary a shortbow, I defeat Guardians in 1v1 like its nothing, the battles are just very long and tidious.

BUT, Im not here to talk about myself, I just wanted to say that I feel its more about how YOU play against a thief, instead of it just being about the Thiefs being overpowered. They should get a lil fixed up though….

I’ll say if I’m on my Warrior running greatsword and duel axes and the thief is running pistol/dagger and shortbow that in WvW I have no choice but to run away because I cant get close enough to even hit him once and he can kite me all day long. :/

Thief is fine, honestly. They do have some power, but that comes with innumerous cons.

I have no idea what you are talking about, players kill players within seconds once the engagement started all the time, it is really a fast paced pvp experience.

Also, the only thing you can honestly confirm is that YOU playing a guardian are killed within seconds by a thief, apparently even a specific player. You really think that is substantial statistical data to demand a nerf??? This is how games get ruined, some people lose – which by definition is not possible as they know how awesome they are – and conclude this or that class or ability is OP and cry foul. When they cry loud enough, chances are devs change it and step by step a game goes down the drain.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/Don-t-post-suggestions-if-you-don-t-play-a-Thief/first#post180181

First of all, that video was made before the heartseeker nerf. If the target itsn’t below 25% hp, it now does about as much damage as an autoattack.

Second, notice how often he’s missing? For every 5-6k attack there’s about 2-3 misses. That’s not efficient at all. It’s even worse on misses after the nerf.

Third, notice how he’s not alone? In every single one of those battles, someone else is doing most of the damage and some nice buffs and debuffs while he flounders around trying to LOOK OP.

That video is not proof of anything. It’s just some guy trying to be funny.

TRON.1085:

Ok im sick of thiefs talking out there butts trying to keep this class overpowered….

Check this video out. Explains how OP the thief is….and he is not even using stealth….now add stealth to this video 90% of the time….even more OP……

Makes me laugh how arena net keep this profession overpowered and players lie about how easy it is to play and how OP it? is.

PLEASE FIRE THE DEV KEEPING THIS CLASS SO OVERPOWERED THEY ARE BREAKING PVP IN GW2….

ARENA NET PLEASE FIX THIS PROFESSION ITS BROKEN OP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

PEBKAC. Look it up.

Some people should have their rights for posting in this forum revoked.

For some reason i do not have quote button but still, TRON said

“im sorry but no profession should have the ability to kill another profession in just a few seconds…”

I agree! please NERF dps Guardians that kill me in 2 hits, Warriors that kill me in 2 hits and also Ragers that kill me in multiple hits in 3 secs.

tks!

A extremely squishy, high dps melee character/class gets called OP while being completely fine if you know how to play against them.

We never had that in any game…

The fact that the video was made to be a joke, he took is seriously, apparently believes every word that was said in the video…. Should be enough evidence that he really does not know what he is talking about, it also shows that he has no creditably in his initial post.

bwillb.2165:

First of all, that video was made before the heartseeker nerf. If the target itsn’t below 25% hp, it now does about as much damage as an autoattack.

Second, notice how often he’s missing? For every 5-6k attack there’s about 2-3 misses. That’s not efficient at all. It’s even worse on misses after the nerf.

Third, notice how he’s not alone? In every single one of those battles, someone else is doing most of the damage and some nice buffs and debuffs while he flounders around trying to LOOK OP.

That video is not proof of anything. It’s just some guy trying to be funny.

Ok im sick of thiefs trying to keep this class overpowered….

Check this video out. Explains how OP the thief is….and he is not even using stealth….now add stealth to this video 90% of the time….even more OP……

Makes me laugh how arena net keep this profession overpowered and players lie about how easy it is to play and how OP it? is.

Please fire the dev keeping this profession overpowered it is breaking pvp in gw2.

Arena Net please fix this profession it is broken.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

Now add the broken stealth mechanic where there are perma invisible while attacking due to stealth being very buggy and not working as intended.

It’s OP. Fact.

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Kaona.9105:

Please keep in mind that the code of conduct specifically states this:

Do not submit “trolling” posts or threads. We define “trolling” as commenting in a manner intended to elicit overly strong negative and emotional responses for mere shock value, attempting to derail threads, persistently posting off-topic, or engaging in personal attacks on another forum member. Accounts made with the sole intent to “troll” will be terminated.

But also:

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Deleting your prior post to repost it with no change is listed under the both of these.

Sorry your incorrect, I did not delete my post or spam anything, it was deleted by a mod for using all caps in the post. So I reposted it within the guidelines….

So sorry but your wrong.

You are trolling, aren’t you?

You just used the term “OP” in one post more often than i did in 10 years as gamer.

All i hear is “Character/Class X is OP, nerf”.
Thats pretty much a auto indicator for a L2P case.

A good player who can be taken seriously would state facts about skills and numbers out of real tests he made (not the imaginary ones you did with your imaginary friends).

All you do is saying “It’s OP and a fact because i believe it”, so you don’t state ANYTHING specific, because you could be proven wrong then easily, and you don’t want to be proven wrong, because then everybody would know that you are just a bad fool who is to lazy to overcome a challenge by becoming better yourself.

Feels like arguing with religious people, so annoying.

Stop living in your imaginary world and trying to bring others down, and improve yourself instead.

Asum.4960:

You are trolling, aren’t you?

I’m not gonna say he is, because you can get an infraction for saying that on a post (yes, seriously, it’s already happened to me once) but… Well, let’s just say report him and stop feeding him. Maybe he can be removed from the forum soon.

TRON.1085:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Hh5zjK7ITpQ

It’s OP. Fact.

And if someone edits a satiric video together from different Obama speeches, making him singing a song, than you are THAT guy who really blieves that he sung it.

Just.. wow.

TRON.1085:

The point is no profession should be able to kill another profession in a few seconds……no matter what the setup or circumstances, it really should not be in the game. It’s not good for anyone or for the game.

From https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/thief/
Initiative [cut] allows thieves to stay flexible and responsive in combat and unleash a rapid flurry of powerful attacks.

Read this:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/info/news/Balancing-Guild-Wars-2

and please, stop trolling.